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Daylight Savings Time Technical Bulletin (Stiletto SL10, SL100)

Technical Bulletin
DST in 2007
March 8, 2007

At 2 a.m. Sunday, March 11, 2007, Daylight Saving Time (DST) starts three weeks earlier than usual in a federally mandated effort to save energy. At this time, the Stiletto 10 and 100 will not be able to automatically compensate for this recent change. If you live in a time zone which observes DST the time on your Stiletto will be one hour behind until April 1st, the previously observed beginning of DST. On April 1st, 2007, the time setting on the unit will be corrected.

In general, your device will continue to operate normally during the brief period the time setting is incorrect. There will be no impact to your ability to receive programming or use the LOVE function. However, if you intend to use timer recordings during this period, you will need to take steps to compensate for this offset.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s)

Q. What should you do if you use timer recordings?
A. Following the beginning of DST in your area, you will need to temporarily select the
next neighboring time zone to your east until the previously observed beginning of DST,
as follows:

If your local On Mar 11 Then on April 1 Timezone is… set it to set it back to
Pacific Mountain Pacific
Mountain Central Mountain
Central Eastern Central
Eastern Atlantic Eastern

Q. What happens in the fall when DST ends?
A. We anticipate having a software update in place well before then that will permanently address this problem.

For additional questions regarding your Stiletto or SIRIUS service, please refer to the product manuals. You can also reach the dedicated Stiletto Technical Support Team at 1-800-869-5364 from 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time Monday through Saturday, or by
email at customercare@sirius-radio.com.

Posted by DAB on Thursday, March 8th, 2007 at 11:00 pm.
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Comments:

  1. It's not like this was a surprise. They should have known this when they designed the damn thing, the law was signed a full year BEFORE the Stiletto was released.

    Sorry, just venting. by VDCHawk
  2. Thanks for for the info, kinda worries me that they couldn't work this out.
    I guess it's no big deal just changing your time zone.

    I wouldn't want to be working at Sirius next Sun/Mon when all the phone calls from the people that don't read this fourm or get a E mail from Sirius notifying them. by gonzo143
  3. Technical Bulletin
    DST in 2007
    March 8, 2007

    At 2 a.m. Sunday, March 11, 2007, Daylight Saving Time (DST) starts three weeks earlier than usual in a federally mandated effort to save energy. At this time, the Stiletto 10 and 100 will not be able to automatically compensate for this recent change. If you live in a time zone which observes DST the time on your Stiletto will be one hour behind until April 1st, the previously observed beginning of DST. On April 1st, 2007, the time setting on the unit will be corrected.

    In general, your device will continue to operate normally during the brief period the time setting is incorrect. There will be no impact to your ability to receive programming or use the LOVE function. However, if you intend to use timer recordings during this period, you will need to take steps to compensate for this offset.


    Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s)

    Q. What should you do if you use timer recordings?
    A. Following the beginning of DST in your area, you will need to temporarily select the
    next neighboring time zone to your east until the previously observed beginning of DST,
    as follows:

    If your local On Mar 11 Then on April 1Timezone is... set it to set it back to
    ========== =========== ===========
    Pacific Mountain Pacific
    Mountain Central Mountain
    Central Eastern Central
    Eastern Atlantic Eastern

    Q. What happens in the fall when DST ends?
    A. We anticipate having a software update in place well before then that will permanently address this problem.


    For additional questions regarding your Stiletto or SIRIUS service, please refer to the product manuals. You can also reach the dedicated Stiletto Technical Support Team at 1-800-869-5364 from 10 AM to 10 PM Eastern Time Monday through Saturday, or by
    email at customercare@sirius-radio.com. by DAB
  4. I usually get e-mail from Sirius, but I didn't receive this one. by JKoffler44
  5. To my knowledge this was not sent via email. Perhaps they will send it out tomorrow as they should since this will certain impact all those that purchased Stiletto's. by DAB
  6. Maybe its because I just woke up, but I dont think I understand. I am eastern time, so I'm supposed to set my unit a timezone ahead???? Does this mean my 4pm show will not start untill 5? I have got to stop reading these in the morning. by BananaMan
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by VDCHawk View Post
    It's not like this was a surprise. They should have known this when they designed the damn thing, the law was signed a full year BEFORE the Stiletto was released.

    Sorry, just venting.
    You beat me too it. My sediments exactly. by SiriusHummer
  8. I agree, this is pretty sad they couldn't work this out. by SISO
  9. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SISO View Post
    I agree, this is pretty sad they couldn't work this out.
    I'll be another one echo that. Especially since they just released an update last week that didn't do much (other than appease the RIAA, apparently). You'd think they could have fixed the daylight savings thing too. by m3gatr0nX
  10. A BIG THANK YOU to the US government or saving us energy for 3 weeks. I wonder how many missed appointments extra work and productivity will be lost during those 3 weeks? by xan_user
  11. This sucks! I assumed that the time was set via satellite and would switch automatically when the change occurs (like cell phones do). Wonder if my XM Inno will have the same issue. I doubt it, since it seems to set itself via the satellite. I know I pulled the battery out the other day to reset it and it had 12:00AM on it for a moment and then updated quickly via the satellite signal after a moment.

    Anyway, seems like this is something that should have been built into the satellite signal and not the radio software. Dumb move Sirius! by BRH
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by BRH View Post
    This sucks! I assumed that the time was set via satellite and would switch automatically when the change occurs (like cell phones do). Wonder if my XM Inno will have the same issue. I doubt it, since it seems to set itself via the satellite. I know I pulled the battery out the other day to reset it and it had 12:00AM on it for a moment and then updated quickly via the satellite signal after a moment.

    Anyway, seems like this is something that should have been built into the satellite signal and not the radio software. Dumb move Sirius!
    Ok, think about this for 1 second... The satellites broadcast the same signal NATIONWIDE. How on Earth(no pun intended) are they going to beam you your local time? Instead they send down a constant time and then you apply your timezone.

    Now think about this 1 more second.... The cell phone companies can do this because they have LOCAL antennas. Each antenna can send you the correct time for your timezone for your physical location. I would imagine if you are crossing the country in your mini-van that the cell phone would automatically update as you cross timezones because it is communicating with which ever antenna you are closest to.

    Is this rocket science or am I a genius? by davejulien
  13. Actually, the Satellite should only send 1 time stamp, and when the time changes the time sent via the Satellite should jump 1 hour and then all the radios account for the time zone subtraction.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davejulien View Post
    Ok, think about this for 1 second... The satellites broadcast the same signal NATIONWIDE. How on Earth(no pun intended) are they going to beam you your local time? Instead they send down a constant time and then you apply your timezone.

    Now think about this 1 more second.... The cell phone companies can do this because they have LOCAL antennas. Each antenna can send you the correct time for your timezone for your physical location. I would imagine if you are crossing the country in your mini-van that the cell phone would automatically update as you cross timezones because it is communicating with which ever antenna you are closest to.

    Is this rocket science or am I a genius?
    by dlnester
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by davejulien View Post
    Ok, think about this for 1 second... The satellites broadcast the same signal NATIONWIDE. How on Earth(no pun intended) are they going to beam you your local time? Instead they send down a constant time and then you apply your timezone.

    Now think about this 1 more second.... The cell phone companies can do this because they have LOCAL antennas. Each antenna can send you the correct time for your timezone for your physical location. I would imagine if you are crossing the country in your mini-van that the cell phone would automatically update as you cross timezones because it is communicating with which ever antenna you are closest to.

    Is this rocket science or am I a genius?
    Not all mobile phones go off local time. Mine is manually set and does not update automatically.

    And sirius and xm have repeaters. Wouldn't these be just like mobile phone antennas? by SiriusHummer
  15. What a friggin' LOW TECH solution for a high tech industry! They actually want us to switch the time zone for three weeks in order to keep our recordings straight? How hard is it to send to signal to synch our devices?

    It's a minor inconvience to the consumer but it's more of a shock that Sirius can't address such a simple issue that they knew about for a year. by DoublEE
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by davejulien View Post
    Ok, think about this for 1 second... The satellites broadcast the same signal NATIONWIDE. How on Earth(no pun intended) are they going to beam you your local time? Instead they send down a constant time and then you apply your timezone.

    Now think about this 1 more second.... The cell phone companies can do this because they have LOCAL antennas. Each antenna can send you the correct time for your timezone for your physical location. I would imagine if you are crossing the country in your mini-van that the cell phone would automatically update as you cross timezones because it is communicating with which ever antenna you are closest to.

    Is this rocket science or am I a genius?
    Your profile sez you're a Rocket Scientist, not a genius. by DoublEE
  17. god does sirius tech suck. by bclbob
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by dlnester View Post
    Actually, the Satellite should only send 1 time stamp, and when the time changes the time sent via the Satellite should jump 1 hour and then all the radios account for the time zone subtraction.
    What about places where they don't observe DST? They would then need to know to add 1 for the correct time. Same problem now you just flipped it. by davejulien
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by davejulien View Post
    Ok, think about this for 1 second... The satellites broadcast the same signal NATIONWIDE. How on Earth(no pun intended) are they going to beam you your local time? Instead they send down a constant time and then you apply your timezone.
    ...
    Which is what makes me surprised that any user interaction needs to be taken. I would think that the timestamps on the satellites would be updated. How does the system know what time it is to begin with? I've never set the time on my radio manually. The satellite should know whether DST is in effect or not and I can't believe this can't be done by Sirius via a command from the ground.

    I would think that the only recording that would be effected would be one programmed before the radio has had a chance to connect to the network either through the satellite or web.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davejulien View Post
    What about places where they don't observe DST? They would then need to know to add 1 for the correct time. Same problem now you just flipped it.
    There are seperate Time Zone settings for areas that don't obeserve DST (Arizona, Indiana). by srm59
  20. There's not a simple solution to this problem that will fix all devices nationally. Like was mentioned, the time signal is the same to all devices and the Time Zone and DST settings will adjust it for the locale. There's coding in the device that tells it to change to DST on the first sunday in April and the back on the last sunday in October. Until that coding is corrected, you can't just skew the time and expect it to work for everyone. I know Arizona and I think Hawaii don't observe DST, for example.

    On the plus side, be glad they are patching the Stiletto. I'm not holding out much hope for my S50... by TheScionicMan
  21. Do you know who was behind this new Daylight Saving Times? Republican Congressman FRED UPTON of Michigan. All blames should go toward him. by pmohazzabi
  22. Dear Sirius,

    Thanks for remembering us!

    From,

    s50 Users (your redheaded stepchildren) by jubrand
  23. OK, so I called Sirius Customer Care and they claim that the S50 will NOT require any manual interaction. They say it will be automatic from the sats. Then I called the "Dedicated S50 Tech Support Line" which just so happens to be the same number DAB listed for the dedicated Stiletto support line. After hearing them tell me to go to Sirius.com/s50support "for all my S50 support needs" , they told me the same thing. No bubbles, no troubles...

    ...except then I mentioned that I had seen a tech bulletin that the Stiletto was going to need to be manually adjusted until they could get the software fix out, she said "I haven't heard anything". That's when my skepticism went from 90% back to 100%.

    I would recommend to users of both devices to set a test recording for a time when you know a particular show will be starting on Sunday morning and see if it starts an hour early or not. I know I won't believe it until I see it.

    Oh yeah, just for the record, here's the link to where Sirius says you can get "all your S50 support info":

    http://www.sirius.com/servlet/Conten...=1131728356302

    Here's the FAQ at SiriusBackstage.com:
    http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum...ad.php?t=71161

    Thank You, SBS by TheScionicMan
  24. I had gotten a email from Palm today with a link to update my firmware . I have a palm digital organizer. So I downloaded the firmware update to my device to address this time change issue. So some companies are on top of it. Sirius just happens to NOT be one of those companies. by Peacepeddler
  25. Most companies are barely on top of it if at all aware. I can't belive how many bulletins i have recieved on this in the last 2 days, so everyone is scrambling at the last minute. Microsoft has majorly botched this change. Something as fundamental to a computer as TIME shouldn't need to look in a half dozen different places for the correct timezone.

    I hope that 2005 Energy Act had other good things in it, because I'm hoping they never repeal it.

    Good News: More DayLight Savings Time will save energy because people won't have to turn their lights on at home as early.

    Bad News: With the extra Daylight Time, more workers are leaving work while the sun's up and forgetting to turn off the lights in their offices negating any savings...

    by TheScionicMan
  26. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Peacepeddler View Post
    I had gotten a email from Palm today with a link to update my firmware . So some companies are on top of it. Sirius just happens to NOT be one of those companies.
    Well I'd hardly call getting a notice of an update 2 days before the big event as being on top of it. The fact is they should have released this weeks ago as should have most of these companies, but as the TheScionicMan has said... they are all scrambling as if they just found out about this last week. by DAB
  27. Ahh. by Peacepeddler
  28. I find it mighty stupid to change the long standing Date for DST. The rarionale was toconserv energy correct? Why during the same week, the gas prices shot up 3 months ahead of the normal time (March vs May). if the days ar extended by 2 months (March & November), that also means more people willbe out driving as well. It's robbing Peter to pay Paul if you ask me. But hey, noboby asked did they? At least they didn't think it through. by Speedy3
  29. Back to my first comment. Why was the device designed for DST without the change. They new when the device was a concept that DST would change, why did they not put it in the program.

    I also agree that the way MS handled this is completely lame. Should have meen a forced update, not a 10 step manual process. by VDCHawk
  30. Quote:
    Originally Posted by VDCHawk View Post
    Back to my first comment. Why was the device designed for DST without the change. They new when the device was a concept that DST would change, why did they not put it in the program.

    I also agree that the way MS handled this is completely lame. Should have meen a forced update, not a 10 step manual process.
    Remember, they didn't put a clock in originally, sometimes they aren't too bright. by SISO
  31. Quote:
    Originally Posted by VDCHawk View Post
    Back to my first comment. Why was the device designed for DST without the change. They new when the device was a concept that DST would change, why did they not put it in the program.
    Plane and simple it was an oversight! The device has always had a clock it just didn't show up on the display. This is how you managed scheduled recordings. So I agree this should have been taken care of when the device was designed. But of course we know now that simply didn't happen. We can talk about how lame that is up until the time changes back again, but I am pretty sure by then they'll have it fixed. This means that those that maybe had not planned to do an update, will be forced too now.

    I know that there are a lot of users that have not updated there SL10 due to the issues that the last update created for it. Now if they want the proper time on their device they either use the suggested fix or actually run the update that fixes this and hope it doesn't screw up their device again. by DAB
  32. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DAB View Post
    Plane and simple it was an oversight! The device has always had a clock it just didn't show up on the display. This is how you managed scheduled recordings. So I agree this should have been taken care of when the device was designed. But of course we know now that simply didn't happen. We can talk about how lame that is up until the time changes back again, but I am pretty sure by then they'll have it fixed. This means that those that maybe had not planned to do an update, will be forced too now.

    I know that there are a lot of users that have not updated there SL10 due to the issues that the last update created for it. Now if they want the proper time on their device they either use the suggested fix or actually run the update that fixes this and hope it doesn't screw up their device again.
    I caught your humour, it was on purpose right?


    Why hasn't sirius just created a simple update just like the RIAA thing in the last one? It has been said before, they knew it was gonna happen last year. Instead of releasing this technical bulletin, why not just release an update? What about all those other regular sirius subscribers that don't view SBS or read technical bulletins? Is sirius gonna send out an email? They should have predicted this by now (note the word should) but they are going to be inundated with calls "WTF is up with my stiletto? I can't change the time?! What kind of product is this?!" Get up off your a$$ sirius and actually think... by jfranklin
  33. Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfranklin View Post
    I caught your humour, it was on purpose right?


    Why hasn't sirius just created a simple update just like the RIAA thing in the last one?
    You caught that did you? LOL

    It seems that they have a schedule of updates that perhaps teams are working on. Example they had a team working on 1.0.4 and already have another team working on the next update. Since they probably finalize what are in those updates ahead of time, if they decide to add anything to an update like channel logo's, voice tags, etc, then they probably have to start the process over make sure of QA. This is why these didn't get included in the 1.0.4 that update had already proceeded for enough that they decided not to add them. The next update, will it include the daylight savings time fix? I doubt it, because the next update is probably already closed for any additions at this point as it goes through the testing phases. They have another 7 or 8 months to handle that fix, because this issue will self correct on April 1.

    Now can they just put out an update, I am sure they could, but then this would screw up their version numbering scheme. For everything there is a reason rather we agree with it or not.

    This of course is just my opinion. by DAB
  34. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SISO View Post
    Remember, they didn't put a clock in originally, sometimes they aren't too bright.

    Sometimes? by jubrand
  35. I think we'll be surprised in 3 weeks when some of those "updated" devices out there spring forward again.

    Poor people in Ohio, sometimes they have 3 time zones, other times two. by xan_user
  36. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheScionicMan View Post
    Good News: More DayLight Savings Time will save energy because people won't have to turn their lights on at home as early.

    Bad News: With the extra Daylight Time, more workers are leaving work while the sun's up and forgetting to turn off the lights in their offices negating any savings...
    More Bad News: Since it will be dark when most workers leave home for work in the morning, they'll be turning on their lights and using more electricity in the AM hours thus negating any gains that might be achieved in the evening.

    I think this whole thing is a boondongle so Congress can say they did something when in actuality they've done nothing as usual. This is just another act to make them look PC.
    DST2007 by srm59
  37. Quote:
    Originally Posted by srm59 View Post
    More Bad News: Since it will be dark when most workers leave home for work in the morning, they'll be turning on their lights and using more electricity in the AM hours thus negating any gains that might be achieved in the evening.
    Do you have any idea how many times this has been studied and there is absolutely ZERO evidence to prove you are right from the studies I've read. People are always more active in the evenings than in the mornings and naturally use more power during that time than in the mornings.

    But even if it was a wash... the extra daylight hours to be able to be outdoors and enjoying time after work makes it worth it. Coming home at 5:30 to it being dark SUCKS! DST allows me to have 2 and 3 hours of daylight activities after work as it does for many. Again I say lets just stick to DST and NEVER Move back to standard time.

    Anyway lets keep this thread on topic.. this isn't actually about the good and bad of DST, but about the Stiletto and how the change in DST will impact it's use, especially when doing scheduled recordings. I have to fix mine tonight because I have my Sunday morning Bill Gaithers Homecoming Show to record on channel 62 and I am usually sleeping while its recording. Since I use my Soloist, I have two clocks I have to check fix. by DAB
  38. I never schedule recordings. I just hit record for x number of hours as a program begins. Can I assume I can ignore this? by onehandle
  39. Quote:
    Originally Posted by onehandle View Post
    I never schedule recordings. I just hit record for x number of hours as a program begins. Can I assume I can ignore this?
    I would think so, this would only impact those that run scheduled recordings. Though the display will show the wrong time unless you change the time zone as it suggest in the bulletin. by DAB
  40. Well it was confirmed that the Stiletto didn't update as it should have. But the fix of changing the time zone worked perfectly for my recordings. Not the most ideal situation, but certainly acceptable in the grand scheme of things.

    I also want to say that my XM Pioneer Inno didn't fair any better. I had to also change the time zone on it to get it to have the correct time. My older Streamer/Dish tuner had the same issue. by DAB
  41. Quote:
    Originally Posted by onehandle View Post
    I never schedule recordings. I just hit record for x number of hours as a program begins. Can I assume I can ignore this?
    You will need to set your internal clock forward 1 hour.

    BTW, welcome from my new time zone....the ATLANTIC! Instead of letting Sirius's screwup bother me I've decided to play along. Mentally I'm typing from the heart of my new time zone...beautiful Oranjestad, Aruba! It's supposed to be 80 and sunny today. Sweet!

    If anyone is looking for me I'll be back in the Eastern time zone (assuming Sirius doesn't screw it up) in three weeks.

    Thank you Sirius! I always wanted to travel more. by DoublEE
  42. Quote:
    Originally Posted by srm59 View Post
    More Bad News: Since it will be dark when most workers leave home for work in the morning, they'll be turning on their lights and using more electricity in the AM hours thus negating any gains that might be achieved in the evening.

    I think this whole thing is a boondongle so Congress can say they did something when in actuality they've done nothing as usual. This is just another act to make them look PC.
    DST2007
    The math on this has NEVER made sense to me. A series of cloudy days could negate all of the proposed savings. Second - while fewer lights may be on in the evening now, it will be colder and darker in the morning. More furnaces will be running longer in the Northern part of the country, and more lights will be on in the morning as well. The furnaces alone could end up using more energy than would be saved by fewer lights burning in the evening.

    What really cracked me up about this change, was the number of TV News reports I saw predicting a "Mini Y2K" because peoples VCRs, and self setting clocks wouldn't adjust correctly. It made me wonder if any of these people remembered that the time could be set MANUALLY on those devices as well. Or if they remembered what they used to do in the "old days" before computers adjusted the time for us.

    Not to pound on the idiocy of "overlooking" this update on the Stilettos, but good God what a bunch of idiots! DST schedules should have been included from the get-go. I can understand "overlooking" it during the initial programming of the machines. BUT they just updated the machine to include a clock on the display, and they forgot to include the code to adjust for DST then as well?!?!?

    Does anyone know if the XM portables adjusted correctly?? by sNEIRBO
  43. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DAB View Post
    Well it was confirmed that the Stiletto didn't update as it should have. But the fix of changing the time zone worked perfectly for my recordings. Not the most ideal situation, but certainly acceptable in the grand scheme of things.

    I also want to say that my XM Pioneer Inno didn't fair any better. I had to also change the time zone on it to get it to have the correct time. My older Streamer/Dish tuner had the same issue.
    The funny thing is my gf's starmate 4 updated to DST automatically without a problem, while I needed to change the stiletto's timezome. by m3gatr0nX
  44. Quote:
    Originally Posted by m3gatr0nX View Post
    The funny thing is my gf's starmate 4 updated to DST automatically without a problem, while I needed to change the stiletto's timezome.
    My XTR8 also updated automatically. Which means there must be something in the signal that the satellites are broadcasting. I'm surpirsed that older equipment can catch the change but newer, more sophisticated equipment cannot. by srm59
  45. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DAB View Post
    Well it was confirmed that the Stiletto didn't update as it should have. But the fix of changing the time zone worked perfectly for my recordings. Not the most ideal situation, but certainly acceptable in the grand scheme of things.

    I also want to say that my XM Pioneer Inno didn't fair any better. I had to also change the time zone on it to get it to have the correct time. My older Streamer/Dish tuner had the same issue.
    XM released a firmware patch for DST today. Older XM radios need to be manually updated much like analogue clocks and vcrs.

    What I don't understand is how older Sirius radios update while the Stilletto (the newest best and greatest?) did not. Seems kind of ironic. by IdRatherBeSkiing
  46. Quote:
    Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post
    XM released a firmware patch for DST today. Older XM radios need to be manually updated much like analogue clocks and vcrs.

    What I don't understand is how older Sirius radios update while the Stilletto (the newest best and greatest?) did not. Seems kind of ironic.
    It is because NONE of the older radios have internal clocks, they get their time from the network. Network time gets updated and the radios apply the time zone and DST offset The Stiletto has an internal clock and it's TZ parameters are off. It thinks DST starts on the first Sunday in April, not 2nd sunday of March. by TheScionicMan
  47. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheScionicMan View Post
    It is because NONE of the older radios have internal clocks, they get their time from the network. Network time gets updated and the radios apply the time zone and DST offset The Stiletto has an internal clock and it's TZ parameters are off. It thinks DST starts on the first Sunday in April, not 2nd sunday of March.
    Getting it off the network is such a much more eligant solution. Its a shame they abandoned that in the newer hardware. by IdRatherBeSkiing
  48. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DAB View Post
    Well it was confirmed that the Stiletto didn't update as it should have. But the fix of changing the time zone worked perfectly for my recordings. Not the most ideal situation, but certainly acceptable in the grand scheme of things.

    I also want to say that my XM Pioneer Inno didn't fair any better. I had to also change the time zone on it to get it to have the correct time. My older Streamer/Dish tuner had the same issue.
    Am I the only one whose scheduled recordings bumped an hour ahead when I changed zones, so that it started recording Howard at 7:00 am instead of 6:00 am today, or was everyone else smart enough to edit their recordings?

    No big deal, although we all know that first commercial-free hour of chat is the high point of the day. by JRG
  49. I think my head is going to explode. . . . in an hour. . . . .

    or did it explode an hour ago. . . . .

    I can't be sure.

    It does surprise me that these things don’t synch off of the satellite. You’d think they could pop a signal to the satellite resetting the east coast time zone.

    Whatever. . . .

    Aruba DoublEE? I’m there. by hecticart
  50. Quote:
    Originally Posted by hecticart View Post
    I think my head is going to explode. . . . in an hour. . . . .

    or did it explode an hour ago. . . . .

    I can't be sure.

    It does surprise me that these things don’t synch off of the satellite. You’d think they could pop a signal to the satellite resetting the east coast time zone.

    Whatever. . . .

    Aruba DoublEE? I’m there.
    Screw Aruba...I'm back and pissed!

    So imagine my surprise when I faithfully followed the directions given by Sirius and changed my time zone in order to fool my "dumb" Stiletto. Yes, Aruba...toes in the sand...drink in my hand...life's a pretty sweet fruit.

    Then my "dumb" Stiletto out-smarts me and promptly screws-ups.....errrrr....I mean "adjusts" all my scheduled recordings. Of course I only figured thisout after missing the first hour of Howard today.

    Thank you Sirius. I love you but sometimes your collective stupidity knows no bounds. by DoublEE
  51. All my recordings started an hour late, after changing my time zone ahead.

    OK, So sirius screwed up and didn't include the new DST in the stiletto. That I can see. But why then when they release the "how-to fix bulletin" do they not mention that after changing the time zone on the unit, you must then go and change ALL of your preset recordings back an hour. Did anyone over at sirius actually try this out before releasing it as a fix? Sounds like any one of the members of the forums here could easily replace/become the new technical tester at Sirius.

    When will these companies realize that its the small things that make the difference between consumer friendly and consumer transparent? by iameveryone
  52. Quote:
    Originally Posted by iameveryone View Post
    All my recordings started an hour late, after changing my time zone ahead.

    OK, So sirius screwed up and didn't include the new DST in the stiletto. That I can see. But why then when they release the "how-to fix bulletin" do they not mention that after changing the time zone on the unit, you must then go and change ALL of your preset recordings back an hour. Did anyone over at sirius actually try this out before releasing it as a fix? Sounds like any one of the members of the forums here could easily replace/become the new technical tester at Sirius.

    When will these companies realize that its the small things that make the difference between consumer friendly and consumer transparent?
    This is why I'm pissed. We followed the stinkin' directions:
    "However, if you intend to use timer recordings during this period, you will need to take steps to compensate for this offset." (Directions on changing the time zone followed)
    Thanks for the "fix" Sirius. I hope this merger with XM brings us some "brain-gain" at Sirius; god knows they need it.

    The initial screw-up was a minor inconvience; sometimes Sirius doesn't know its a** from a hole in the ground. by DoublEE
  53. Quote:
    Originally Posted by iameveryone View Post
    But why then when they release the "how-to fix bulletin" do they not mention that after changing the time zone on the unit, you must then go and change ALL of your preset recordings back an hour. Did anyone over at sirius actually try this out before releasing it as a fix?
    Yes we all had this issue, but fortunately I found it early Sunday morning just before my recording started. I just happen to check the one that scheduled for that morning and sure enough it had to be adjusted. I knew the others would have to be as well.

    I honestly don't think they tested this out beyond figuring out that if you changed the zone this was a work around, but clearly they had no clue this other thing would come up to be an issue too. I will add it to the Technical Bulletin myself. by DAB
  54. it actually just erased all my recordings for howard 100 - but surprisingly kept all my recordings for H101 by lex412
  55. Quote:
    Originally Posted by lex412 View Post
    it actually just erased all my recordings for howard 100 - but surprisingly kept all my recordings for H101
    That's a cute trick. by DoublEE
  56. Quote:
    Originally Posted by lex412 View Post
    it actually just erased all my recordings for howard 100 - but surprisingly kept all my recordings for H101
    Yea, I noticed this this afternoon. I went to listen to Friday's MTT and it was gone. What's up with that? I thought I had it set to keep 3 episodes? by idioso
  57. Quote:
    Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post
    Getting it off the network is such a much more eligant solution. Its a shame they abandoned that in the newer hardware.
    It is progress, not a loss of elegance. The Stiletto needs a clock so it knows when to wake up to record. Other than the S50, there's no real need for any other device to care about what time it is. The S50 will only wake to record when in the home dock, so I'd imagine this was done to limit power draw. If it has to monitor the signal for the time, it is going to suck down battery strength. By having an internal clock, it will use minimal power until it needs to actually get a signal from the sats.

    It is a major oversight not to include the new dates in such a new device, IMO... by TheScionicMan
  58. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheScionicMan View Post
    It is progress, not a loss of elegance. The Stiletto needs a clock so it knows when to wake up to record. Other than the S50, there's no real need for any other device to care about what time it is. The S50 will only wake to record when in the home dock, so I'd imagine this was done to limit power draw. If it has to monitor the signal for the time, it is going to suck down battery strength. By having an internal clock, it will use minimal power until it needs to actually get a signal from the sats.

    It is a major oversight not to include the new dates in such a new device, IMO...
    But the clock could be updated via sattellite (or even WiFi) where possible. While the unit is off, having a clock increment would not drain too much power. Turn it on to the sattelite, a reset/update could be done.

    Otherwise, every time congress changes DST you may have issues. by IdRatherBeSkiing
  59. I don't want to be negative but I am dissappointed. I love Sirius and I love my Stiletto. I bought it they day it was released but have had many dissappoinments and this is another one. First the last to firmware updates have made my unit almost unusable with the sluggish buttons. I can't believe this still continues and now my time is off. This was no surpise. It is a poor planning at some point.

    I love Sirius and I've had both. I love this portable unit. It is great but these problems that Sirus may consider small will eventually hurt them overall. You've got to pay attention to the details because we do!

    Sorry but I had to vent...I've been very frustrated with this lately by havrek
  60. Quote:
    Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post
    But the clock could be updated via sattellite (or even WiFi) where possible. While the unit is off, having a clock increment would not drain too much power. Turn it on to the sattelite, a reset/update could be done.

    Otherwise, every time congress changes DST you may have issues.
    You are pretty much describing how the Stiletto probably works. But the device itself will need to know that it should increment DST on the 2nd Sunday of March. If you turn it off the night before and expect it to record on time, then the DST info needs to be stored locally. It is, but it is pointed at the wrong Sunday. if they change it again, there will be issues but that can't really be avoided. It can, however, be proactively addressed BEFORE the change takes place. by TheScionicMan
  61. FYI. Arizona residents have no reason to make any adjustments. Good thing the Stiletto has a separate Arizona time selection. Nice that our state has recognized that this time changing thing is a bunch of 1800s bull. We're in the technological era. by akldjian
  62. Well those two extra hours of daylight to after work sure makes DST worth it to me regardless of what AZ does or doesn't do. I could suggest several things that would indicate that your state isn't so cutting edge when it comes to many other facets of technology, but this isn't the time nor place for it. by DAB
  63. How long till this fixes it self? by Got1ToBurn
  64. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Got1ToBurn View Post
    How long till this fixes it self?
    It should get back on track on April 1st. Then they'll have until the end of October to get it resolved before it causes problems again. Any bets on when it gets fixed? by TheScionicMan
  65. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheScionicMan View Post
    It should get back on track on April 1st. Then they'll have until the end of October to get it resolved before it causes problems again. Any bets on when it gets fixed?
    Two weeks. by jubrand
  66. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DAB View Post
    Well those two extra hours of daylight to after work sure makes DST worth it to me regardless of what AZ does or doesn't do. I could suggest several things that would indicate that your state isn't so cutting edge when it comes to many other facets of technology, but this isn't the time nor place for it.
    Touchy, aren't we. LOL. by akldjian
  67. Quote:
    Originally Posted by akldjian View Post
    Touchy, aren't we. LOL.
    Is that what it was? LOL by DAB
  68. when will the correct time be displayed? by Got1ToBurn
  69. Next sunday, when the old dst day is.
    Question is will they fix it in time to "fall back"? by xan_user
  70. Quote:
    Originally Posted by xan_user View Post
    Next sunday, when the old dst day is.
    Question is will they fix it in time to "fall back"?
    By "fix" you mean like when a stopped clock is correct twice a day? by DoublEE
  71. Quote:
    Originally Posted by xan_user View Post
    Next sunday, when the old dst day is.
    Question is will they fix it in time to "fall back"?
    My understanding is there will be a patch for the daylight savings issue before the fall hits. by DAB
  72. I'm in the Eastern Time Zone, (well for the last two weeks,according to Sirius the Pacific !!) I changed back to Eastern after the time change this morning and my clock now is 1 hour earlier. I tried shuttting down, taking out the battery, changing back to Pacific (which is one hour ahead,now 2 hrs sincethe time change) But my clock remains 1 hour earlier in the Eastern time zone.

    Anyone else having these problems? I'm going to have to pick some crazy time zone now to try and find one that matches...of course the recordings are all set back an hour too ! by gonzo143
  73. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DAB View Post
    My understanding is there will be a patch for the daylight savings issue before the fall hits.
    *holding breath* by DoublEE
  74. Quote:
    Originally Posted by gonzo143 View Post
    Anyone else having these problems? I'm going to have to pick some crazy time zone now to try and find one that matches...of course the recordings are all set back an hour too !
    Yes at 2 AM my Stiletto was 2 hours ahead, then when I changed it back to central time it was an hour behind. I think they had the system setup to compensate for the hour and until someone changed it on their end. When I looked a few minutes ago my Stiletto is now correct. Yours should be too. by DAB
  75. I live in the Eastern Time Zone, and I changed it from Pacific back to Eastern before I went to bed. Woke up and everythings fine. Also changed my scheduled recordings accordingly.........Glad everythings back to normal... by Adampaul1
  76. My clock is back to "normal" !
    Now all I have to do is change all my recordings. AGAIN!
    Thanks alot Sirius ! (PIA) by gonzo143
  77. sweet...I noticed it and am glad I caught it before tomorrow mornings recordings were ruined! Was this fixed this afternoon? by idioso
  78. I noticed the change at 8 am on Sunday the 1st. It's so nice to have the clock right. It's amazing how much I was depending on that clock as a time piece! by Bad Larry
  79. just noticed it yesterday. damn i got used to seeing the wrong time :P

    - Jon by jon01
  80. Will our SL100 clocks change properly, and on time this weekend ? by Peacepeddler
  81. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Peacepeddler View Post
    Will our SL100 clocks change properly, and on time this weekend ?
    If you SL100 was upgraded to the last ZAP/OS it will update as Daylight Saving issue was addressed in this update.

    ZAP version 1.1 or later.... by DAB
  82. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DAB View Post
    If you SL100 was upgraded to the last ZAP/OS it will update as Daylight Saving issue was addressed in this update.

    ZAP version 1.1 or later....

    If it was fixed, why does my stiletto show it is an hour off this morning. I checked and it is set for EDT. Is the fix I need to set it to Atlantic time? by me_rubin
  83. Quote:
    Originally Posted by me_rubin View Post
    If it was fixed, why does my stiletto show it is an hour off this morning. I checked and it is set for EDT. Is the fix I need to set it to Atlantic time?
    I can't answer that Mike, my SL100 shows the time perfectly and has since old daylight savings time went into effect. (CDT) If yours is off already and daylight savings time hasn't ended yet, I'd say you have some technical issues beyond my understanding.

    I've not seen anyone else remark that theirs is off. I just checked mine to make sure... It has the correct time and is in sync with the sats. by DAB
  84. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DAB View Post
    I can't answer that Mike, my SL100 shows the time perfectly and has since old daylight savings time went into effect. (CDT) If yours is off already and daylight savings time hasn't ended yet, I'd say you have some technical issues beyond my understanding.

    I've not seen anyone else remark that theirs is off. I just checked mine to make sure... It has the correct time and is in sync with the sats.
    I think mine was correct yesterday, Its wrong now as I noticed it when I plugged it in my dock in my office. It seemes it was correct this morning at 6am in my home dock on my night stand. I'll check later when I plug it into my car dock at lunch. Who knows?? Maybe just another glitch. by me_rubin
  85. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DAB View Post
    If you SL100 was upgraded to the last ZAP/OS it will update as Daylight Saving issue was addressed in this update.

    ZAP version 1.1 or later....
    Thanks DAB.... Mine is showing the right time me_rubin. by Peacepeddler
  86. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Peacepeddler View Post
    Thanks DAB.... Mine is showing the right time me_rubin.
    Mine was an Hr off. I did a hard shutdown then when it reboot it had the correct time. What's funny is it was correct this morning. My 6am recording went off ok. I pulled the radio out and put it in my car and it was still ok. When I went from my car to my home dock in my office is when it lost the hr. My recording stopped between the time I went from my car to my office. If you keep it out of the dock more than about 5 minutes it does not keep the recording and goes back to the main menu. ( this is normal ) So I started another recording event to record the last few hrs of stern. At that point I noticed it an hr off. I'm really not sure what the issue is but the use case has to be tied to pulling it out of a dock while it is recording while exceeding some time-out period. Like I said a reboot re-set the clock correctly. by me_rubin
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