Harrisburg, PA subscribers being compensated for repeater outage?

Folks in the Harrisburg area should know that there are reports of subscribers getting partial refunds of their subscription fees, due to the shutdown of the local repeater.  As you may recall, Sirius had to shutdown about 15 terrestrial repeaters for technical violations of their authority to operate them within certain parameters.  Well according to this report, customer service is telling people in that area that they may be eligible for “compensation”

People affected by the Harrisburg outage, as well as the other locations affected by the shutdown, let us know how Sirius is taking care of you!



Comments:

  1. Here's the thread about the shutdown, and it looks like it is 11, not 15 as I originally reported. I regret the mistake.
  2. I won't divulge my complete secrets but I have been getting compensation from Sirius for the two Sirius units I have running in Harrisburg since the outage originally took place back in October, 2006.

    By the way, the service reps that I have dealt with have always been nice enough to assist me without any heartache on my end...
  3. that is rediculous. I don't have repeater coverage and can listen just fine.. I would love to have it, but I don't think the loss of repeater coverage warrants getting any money back.. repeaters are just a nice thing they do for some major areas. It's not like they are taking away total service or anything.
  4. Quote:
    Originally Posted by obk View Post
    that is rediculous. I don't have repeater coverage and can listen just fine.. I would love to have it, but I don't think the loss of repeater coverage warrants getting any money back.. repeaters are just a nice thing they do for some major areas. It's not like they are taking away total service or anything.
    It is a matter of perspective and depends on how well the service worked for you prior to the repeaters being turned off.

    In my case, reception was acceptable in my car/home prior to the shutdown. After the repeater shutdown, I could no longer get reliable service in my home. This forced me to spend a fair amount of money to continue to have the service:
    - purchased an S100 so I could use WiFi when inside.
    - had to upgrade my homw WiFi to one with stronger signal to get coverage where I wanted to use the S100
    - I just recently purchased an antenna 50ft extension and an external antenna so that I could get higher quality reception without having to worry about WiFi interference that is becoming more prevalent with my neighbors.

    So in the end, I've had to spend a few hundred bucks and many hours of my time to compensate for what 'just worked' when the antenna was placed anywhere near a window many months ago.
  5. or you could have used the online player and bought an 8 dollar cord to connect the computer to your stereo.

    why couldn't you just buy the home dock for whatever radio you had? Just because you spent so much doesn't mean that you had to.

    Many subscribers have no access to the repeaters... you had it better than most for a while, and now want to complain because you are like the rest of us now. I feal no pitty.
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by obk View Post
    Many subscribers have no access to the repeaters... you had it better than most for a while, and now want to complain because you are like the rest of us now. I feal no pitty.
    Couldn't have said it better myself,
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by obk View Post
    that is rediculous. I don't have repeater coverage and can listen just fine.. I would love to have it, but I don't think the loss of repeater coverage warrants getting any money back.. repeaters are just a nice thing they do for some major areas. It's not like they are taking away total service or anything.
    If satellite radio didn't have repeaters, it would be useless in large, medium, and some small cities and I would not subscribe.
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by onehandle View Post
    If satellite radio didn't have repeaters, it would be useless in large, medium, and some small cities and I would not subscribe.
    well let me say boo and hoo.
    Just kidding, but really, I think the mass of subscribers is probably car use, and that (for me at least) has gotten good reception everywhere. If you did want it and you lived in a place without repeaters, you can put an antenna in the window... incredibly, it has been done, and with success for many people.
    The only thing repeater coverage has done for me was allow me to listen in the elevator at work.. I think I can live without that.
    And if you have internet, people can always get "reception".
  9. Get an Inno and switch to XM!?!
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SiriusHeadBobber View Post
    Get an Inno and switch to XM!?!
    I am guessing that was mildly tongue in cheek,but...
    is the inno and xm signal that much better in a city?
  11. I can only listen to SIRIUS in my home because I live near a big city with repeaters. I don't think I would go through the trouble to put mount an outdoor antenna on the roof. My stereo is nowhere near my computer and I do not want to buy the higher quality internet stream.
  12. you don't necessarily need to go to a lot of trouble to mount an antenna.. I just through mine out the windowsill and got a good signal... It just happens that my window faces the right direction.
    And I don't really find the normal internet stream that bad..
  13. Quote:
    Originally Posted by PhillyPhan View Post
    I can only listen to SIRIUS in my home because I live near a big city with repeaters. I don't think I would go through the trouble to put mount an outdoor antenna on the roof. My stereo is nowhere near my computer and I do not want to buy the higher quality internet stream.
    My Stiletto is interfaced with my audio receiver, and it is subscribed to the higher quality internet stream.

    It works well.

    But, if you don't want to pony up the cash, you don't want to pony up the cash!
  14. I used to work in Harrisburg and get discounts because of the repeater issue. I could no longer listen to Sirius during my working hours and that was the reason I kept so many radios (one for each office) on my account. I have been getting a rebate on two of my radios ever since the issue began. For those of you who are jealous (I'm not sure why you would be jealous of bad reception but the only reason to bitch is out of jealousy) you really need to understand the issue and the scenarios as to why it is a big deal, to some people, before you begin to bitch and whine like a two year old.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SatRadioFan View Post
    I used to work in Harrisburg and get discounts because of the repeater issue. I could no longer listen to Sirius during my working hours and that was the reason I kept so many radios (one for each office) on my account. I have been getting a rebate on two of my radios ever since the issue began. For those of you who are jealous (I'm not sure why you would be jealous of bad reception but the only reason to bitch is out of jealousy) you really need to understand the issue and the scenarios as to why it is a big deal, to some people, before you begin to bitch and whine like a two year old.
    Jealousy is not always a reason to argue a point. I am in no way jealous of you. I do know that we all have the same issues. You guys were lucky to get repeaters near you, now you don't have them.. you are the same as the majority of us now... Now you complain.. I just don't think you deserve money back or off. If I wanted to listen at work but couldn't, I would try wifi or a new antenna.. If that didn't pan out, then maybe I could record the stream at another time.. or maybe sirius isn't right for me...
    and if you want me to understand your scenario and issues, you need to explain it better, because I read what you wrote and it didn't change my view.
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by obk View Post
    or maybe sirius isn't right for me...
    and if you want me to understand your scenario and issues, you need to explain it better, because I read what you wrote and it didn't change my view.
    Exactly, Sirius felt that it would hurt their company to keep me, and others, as subscribers so they gave us discounts. Without that discount I would have canceled Sirius and I probably wouldn't have come back (my car has XM). I could not get any Sirius during the day without the repeaters and I am sure some people who lived in the city were the same way. It didn't cost them anything to give me a discount because, without it, I was canceling, at least, those two radios.

    This discount is Sirius's way of taking care of customers and not letting them hang out to dry. How would you like it if something happened to their satellites and you could only get their service for two hours a day? Would you still pay the same amount, listening for 2 hours verses 10? I know I sure as hell wouldn't and I'm sure most people wouldn't either.

    I'm sorry if I am coming off pissed off but this is a very simple concept, they give discounts and make half of the money or they lose the customers and make zero money. If you are a stockholder you should be very glad that they are keeping the customers and maximizing their profits.
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SatRadioFan View Post
    This discount is Sirius's way of taking care of customers and not letting them hang out to dry. How would you like it if something happened to their satellites and you could only get their service for two hours a day? Would you still pay the same amount, listening for 2 hours verses 10? I know I sure as hell wouldn't and I'm sure most people wouldn't either.

    I'm sorry if I am coming off pissed off but this is a very simple concept, they give discounts and make half of the money or they lose the customers and make zero money. If you are a stockholder you should be very glad that they are keeping the customers and maximizing their profits.
    I think what you said in your explination proves my point.. When I signed up I had no clue about ground repeaters (like a lot of other subscribers). I paid for SATALITE RADIO, not satalite with ground repeater.... If they took away two hours of satalite coverage, I would feel that was a breach of contract.. Giving me something above and beyond or free and then taking it away is not good business because your customers will not like it, but is does not warrant people getting discounts.
    Now I know, from a business perspective, income is better than losing clients, but that was not even part of what I was saying... I was just saying that from a subcscibers point of view, you guys were back to the way the rest of us were, and now you are getting compensated for it.
    So in closing, yes, would be mad if they took away the satalite feed that I knowingly paid for... I don't think I could be mad about losing the ground repeater (even though it does come in handy).
  18. The problem is that you people, as a whole, are stuck in the word satellite. Yes most people get their service directly from satellites but many of us get the service only through repeaters and some only through the internet. Just because one way works good for you doesn't mean that it will work for others. You are trying to say (indirectly) that the only thing we should count on is satellite coverage and the other stuff (repeaters, internet, etc...) is just an extra (that costs extra if you want better quality) and we should thank our lucky stars that we have it instead of bitching when we don't.

    Well that mentality works out great until you run into somebody who can't get satellite reception so they rely on the internet or repeaters. It isn't a hard concept. People purchased a product with the assumption that they would have these repeaters. The repeaters were taken away so Sirius is compensating said customers. It shouldn't bother anybody because it isn't hurting you, it isn't affecting you in any [negative] way and Sirius is only getting stronger by providing this "service".

    It just boggles my mind that people are so self-centered. I haven't received the credit for a while (I no longer rely on the repeaters so I had them take the credit away) yet I am not upset that others are benefiting - go figure.
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SatRadioFan View Post
    The problem is that you people, as a whole, are stuck in the word satellite. Yes most people get their service directly from satellites but many of us get the service only through repeaters and some only through the internet. Just because one way works good for you doesn't mean that it will work for others. You are trying to say (indirectly) that the only thing we should count on is satellite coverage and the other stuff (repeaters, internet, etc...) is just an extra (that costs extra if you want better quality) and we should thank our lucky stars that we have it instead of bitching when we don't.

    Well that mentality works out great until you run into somebody who can't get satellite reception so they rely on the internet or repeaters. People purchased a product with the assumption that they would have these repeaters.

    I am not upset that others are benefiting - go figure.
    You did by Sirius SATALITE radio, right? just want to make sure..
    Although you may have known about the terrestrial repeaters when you subscribed, I think the majority of people did not.
    And I am not upset that people are getting refunds, I just don't think people who have lost extra services should complain.

    This is like paying comcast for internet, and then they start giving free wifi for a while, and then for some reason it goes away.. If that was to happen, should I complain that I can no longer get wifi? I don't think so. And if the service I pay for doesn't work, I ditch it or accept it for what it is.
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by obk View Post
    This is like paying comcast for internet, and then they start giving free wifi for a while, and then for some reason it goes away.. If that was to happen, should I complain that I can no longer get wifi? I don't think so. And if the service I pay for doesn't work, I ditch it or accept it for what it is.
    That is correct, if you signed up for Comcast based on the Wifi and they made no mention of the Wifi disappearing. Personally, I was going to ditch the service and not think twice about it (I was/am a dual subscriber) because I had perfect reception with XM. However, Sirius gave me a good offer so I stayed with them. I didn't call them to complain but instead I called to cancel; it isn't my fault that Sirius wanted to keep those two radios connected.

    You may see the terrestrial repeaters as extra service but others certainly don't. I'd like to see what happens if the repeaters in NYC are shut down, or any major city for that matter. I'm sure, if you live in one of those cities, you would be bitching with the best of them.
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by obk View Post
    I was just saying that from a subcscibers point of view, you guys were back to the way the rest of us were, and now you are getting compensated for it.
    So in closing, yes, would be mad if they took away the satalite feed that I knowingly paid for... I don't think I could be mad about losing the ground repeater (even though it does come in handy).
    Are you satisfied with your service obk? I mean, you say "back to the way the rest of us were." Are there places that you've resigned yourself to not having service? Your quote above sounds as though the people in H-burg were getting better service than you and now they're back to the same lower level of service as you.
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SatRadioFan View Post
    That is correct, if you signed up for Comcast based on the Wifi and they made no mention of the Wifi disappearing.
    You may see the terrestrial repeaters as extra service but others certainly don't. I'd like to see what happens if the repeaters in NYC are shut down, or any major city for that matter. I'm sure, if you live in one of those cities, you would be bitching with the best of them.
    I didn't say if you sign up based on wifi.. I said that if you signed up and got wifi as an added bonus.
    If I was in NYC and they didn't have repeaters, I would probably use the wifi feed. I guess I didn't realize that H-burg was as big a city as NY I drive through areas of Boston that don't have good repeater coverage and am fine.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dauwit View Post
    Are you satisfied with your service obk? I mean, you say "back to the way the rest of us were." Are there places that you've resigned yourself to not having service? Your quote above sounds as though the people in H-burg were getting better service than you and now they're back to the same lower level of service as you.
    I am satisfied with service. and yes, as an educated consumer, I know that there are places/situations where I will not get good service. At those times I bite the bullet and put on a cd or even FM.
    And yes, If they had terrestrial repeaters, they were getting better service than me.. now that their repeaters are off they can't listen as easily inside buildings.. I can never do that unless I run my antenna out the window (which I do) or use the internet feed. All I was saying was that they had it better than most people.
    and I know this has gone on way too long. I understand his point.. it just seems he can't understand mine
  23. obk, it's not even worth it. You obviously can't understand simple logic.
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by SatRadioFan View Post
    obk, it's not even worth it. You obviously can't understand simple logic.
    If you decide to make a logical point, I will listen. Take your time.
    I have said over and over that I understand your point.. I just don't totally agree. Sorry if your parents coddled you and didn't ever disagree. (no, that's ok, you eat that lead paint son)

  25. Quote:
    Originally Posted by HomieG View Post
    glad it's entertaining.. pass that over here.
  26. So, let me give you a specific example. I have a friend in Harrisburg who has had Sirius for about 3 years now. He is allowed to listen at his work, via headset, to music and he chose to listen to Sirius. For a year he brought his sportster to work was able to get great reception at his cubicle. (He just FM mod.'d to a small FM headset) Anyway, it worked great and he loved Sirius. But when the Terrestrial repeater went down, he couldn't get signal anymore and couldn't run the antenna near a window, as he was FAR from any windows. Blah Blah Blah. The point is, the majority of his listening was during the day away from his car. Sirius set his expectation at that level and then took it away. I know for a fact that for several months he did get a discount but I think he cooled on calling every month.
    Imagine you could not make or receive personal calls on your work phone but you were allowed to make some calls on your personal cell phone. If your cell provider suddenly stopped working at your work because your carrier removed a tower that you previously could get service on, you would be pretty miffed, right?
  27. OK, and here is my example...
    I pay for cable and for a week or two they give me free HBO...
    I get used to it and love all that great HBO stuff they gave me...
    Now they take it away.. damn, now the bastards owe me...

    In the end, I understand what you guys are saying.. no need to really go on... I get it, you got something extra for free for a long time, now you get compensation for not getting it.. sure it is nice of sirius to give you guys a break on pricing for a while... again, all I was saying was that I don't necessarily think they owe anybody anything for taking away something that was not implicitly given to you...
    I am pretty sure that I didn't know about repeaters when I bought satalite radio.. I just expected satalite coverage.
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