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Old 08-24-2003, 01:14 PM   #16
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1-2 years? Come on now, you mean to tell me Kenwood has had those chipsets for that long? What happens is, Sirius calls up Kenwood and says "The new chipset will do this, this and this. It will be this big, take this much power, and need the following things." Then they develop it, while the chipset is being completed. This makes the turnaround time no where near 2 years, but closer to 6-8 months. You don't become successful by burning your bridges, and if XM kills their manufacturers, they won't appreciate it and jump ship. I know a lot of people who if their HU is Alpine, they'll get whoever Alpine is in bed with, and if XM makes so many people mad that no one is with them other than delphi, then those people will go with Sirius (if Alpine leaves)
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Talk to your member pmuller. He works for Kenwood, he may be able to confirm my earlier post.

As for pissing off manufacturers, XM is not doing anything like that. You have to keep in mind that XM has a limited market. Whereas any other car stereo component can be sold globally, XM is limited to sales in North America. This is another reason why manufacturer's are not too crazy about pushing XM (or Sirius for that matter) on their own development dollar.

Who really cares who makes the equipment? 2 years ago I would never have considered ANY product from Delphi, and I am sure you guys can say the same about Audiovox. Their stuff was just junk. But now cause they have the shuttle, its like they are the best electronics manufacturer in the world, no?

Think about it.
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Perhaps if starting from scratch, but not with re-purposed modular stuff.

You'll note that the Pioneer 900 stuff uses the same box as the Pioneer TV receiver.

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Talk to your member pmuller. He works for Kenwood, he may be able to confirm my earlier post.

As for pissing off manufacturers, XM is not doing anything like that. You have to keep in mind that XM has a limited market. Whereas any other car stereo component can be sold globally, XM is limited to sales in North America. This is another reason why manufacturer's are not too crazy about pushing XM (or Sirius for that matter) on their own development dollar.

Who really cares who makes the equipment? 2 years ago I would never have considered ANY product from Delphi, and I am sure you guys can say the same about Audiovox. Their stuff was just junk. But now cause they have the shuttle, its like they are the best electronics manufacturer in the world, no?

Think about it.
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As for pissing off manufacturers, XM is not doing anything like that.
There, I think you might be wrong. Why would Sony, Pioneer, or Alpine want to develop any XM products, when the main push XM as a company makes is for their own products (through Delphi and Terk) developed in-house.

Rumor has surfaced on many occasions that Sony in particular is pissed, and looking to drop XM as a partner.

And these manufacturers will not drop satellite radio, since it is in demand. So who will they pick up? Sirius. Then suddenly, Sirius becomes the PC, and XM becomes Apple. It's a pretty simple analogy.
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Ziggy never answered my question. Why are satellite resellers not able to get XM radios?

I think that time line is a little long too. I imagine its done much quicker and its a batch job of some many units. New computers come out faster then these radios according to your info.

Well, I have my xm and sirius radio. Maybe a market will develop for those old sony units I have 3 of laying around? I just am waiting for the walkman.
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Who's not able to get XM receivers? I don't have a problem getting them for my store.

As for Sony, its actually XM that was pissed at them cause Sony simply could not keep up with demand. I remember when the Sony PNP first came out. I had to wait about 3 months before I could get my hands on one. That was BAD! The product was out there and only in very small quantities. So XM being smart, changed the way the game is played. Instead of relying on outside comapnies to produce, manufacture, and sell the hardware, why not do it yourself? Why is this so hard for you guys to understand and accept?

The subsidy on the Sony PNP was rediculously high, just like it is now for the H2A and Shittle for sirius. The Skyfi, Roady and Commander will have some of the lowest equipment subsidies to date, leading to lower SAC for XM.

Apple, PC, whatever, its a whole different ballgame. And Jeff, when a new PC comes out, all the PC box makers do is take out the 2.5Ghz chip and put in a 2.7 Ghz chip and call it "new". Not the same with Satellite Radio. Sony tried it with the PNP by just addinf a few more presets and a better display, and look where they are not. Not on the Satellite Radio map.

As long as XM can keep up with the huge demand for its radios, does it matter what the name on the box is? Again... you guys are drooling over Audiovox (a shitty name in electronics).
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Actually, I am drooling over Kenwood, a great name in electonics.
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Actually, the new Audiovox pnp is quite awesome!! I havent been the biggest Audiovox fan either, but this beats all expectations!! Its worth a drool, it is a step up from my Skyfi pnp for sure!! (Which I love!!)
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I made the analogy over on XMFan that XM was getting more and more like Apple and they are. For where XM is now, its probably the best thing to do. But in the long term, I think they are crapping in their own nest with the manufactures like Sony, Alpine, Pioneer. Only time will tell if those companies stay the course with XM.

No one was more leary of Audiovox than I was in regards to the Shuttle. All one has to do is go back and read many of my post that said just that. We know Kenwood Rocks, but you XM folks are so hung up on size that you are over looking Audiovox. This truly is a quality unit and I am not just talking, I have it and have been using it day in and day out now for going on a month. It also has features the current Skifi does not and don't even get me started on that crappy Skifi display that you XM'er have to live with day in and day out. The Audiovox might be bigger but I think its kicks the crap out of the Skifi. Before long XM subscribers will have to get it from XM or Delphi because no one else will be selling XM products as XM continues to snub them with their own products. I suspect a head unit and home stereo unit is just around the corner.

XM in the end will be another Apple and we all know Apple started out on top and while they are still very viable... they aren't on top and haven't been and never will be again. So if the Apple and PC senario plays out its just a matter of time before SIRIUS takes over the top spot. OH, I know you XM'ers are taking deep breaths right now and saying it will NEVER happen. Stay tuned...
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I'd like to sit in on the meeting with GM and Honda when XM tells them they have to mount Delphi units because the rest of the manufacturers left the company.
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I would rather sit in on the meeting when FORD decides to install SIRIUS as original factory equipment on every vehicle it makes in every brand it has. That and a free three month subscription would make SIRIUS boom.

Then again, that would requrie the equipment to be available. Is it?
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I'd like to sit in on the meeting with GM and Honda when XM tells them they have to mount Delphi units because the rest of the manufacturers left the company.
No, that wouldn't happen. Delphi is and always will be XM's bitch when it comes to producing whatever they throw at them. lol

GM XM Receiver module - "We're on it! Thanks XM!"
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The only thing is, Honda uses Alpine components in all of their car audio setups. So I don't know how happy Alpine would be with retrofitting Delphi's to interact with them, so who knows what would happen if Alpine ever left XM. Honda would be tied to XM but yet tied to a newly Sirius (we could assume) Alpine. Granted, who knows if Alpine will ever leave, but if third party units aren't selling, and Sirius units are, I don't know how long they'd hang around.
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Alpine makes Sirius OEM modules as well.

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The only thing is, Honda uses Alpine components in all of their car audio setups. So I don't know how happy Alpine would be with retrofitting Delphi's to interact with them, so who knows what would happen if Alpine ever left XM. Honda would be tied to XM but yet tied to a newly Sirius (we could assume) Alpine. Granted, who knows if Alpine will ever leave, but if third party units aren't selling, and Sirius units are, I don't know how long they'd hang around.
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Alpine makes Sirius OEM modules as well.
No shit, eh?
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