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Old 09-13-2005, 04:08 AM   #31
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the overall sentiment is that sirius dropped the ball. who's to say that sirius wanted to keep hockey? did anyone think that maybe sirius didn't want hockey? and that it was tooooo expensive? could be. might be.
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Old 09-13-2005, 07:04 AM   #32
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A lot can happen in two yeas. In two years we should have an interoperable radio capable of picking up both services at the same time. Then we can have it all on one radio. Hell, in two years there may be satellite radio dental implants. I think I will worry about it in 2007.
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Old 09-13-2005, 07:05 AM   #33
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Then in 2007, Sirius will no longer be carrying them.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050912/d... Press Release
Sirius says they will have NHL in 2007

"SIRIUS is the Official Satellite Radio Partner of the National Hockey League (NHL), with live play-by-play coverage of regular season games plus the entire Stanley Cup Playoffs through the end of the 2006-2007 NHL season"

I think that Sirius would have been much better off spending what ever money it took to become the total satellite professional and university sports radio king of the universe. Multi-millions of dollars and bandwidth have been wasted by Sirius on certain, well beyond their prime, fading stars. Money that could been used to keep NHL et al.
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Old 09-13-2005, 08:19 AM   #34
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Maybe Mel is thinking of spending the money, somewhere else. Let's hope he does.
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Old 09-13-2005, 08:42 AM   #35
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The NHL was one of the things that made me choose SIRIUS. Now that XM has MLB and the NHL, I'll have to give them a good look when the time comes.
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Old 09-13-2005, 09:42 AM   #36
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Maybe everyone should just relax and think about all the other possibilities that can happen over the next 2 years.

Sure losing the NHL really sucks for many listeners. Especially die hard hockey fans in places like Detroit, Chicago, the 3 New York teams, Boston, etc.

Being in Canada, I think it could affect overall NEW sub counts when Sirius Canada units show up on shelves over the next few weeks. I am sure that it is a decision that Sirius did not take lightly considering the work they had been doing to launch the service up here, but obviously, they had to weigh everything and must have decided that overall, with all of the other aquisitions like Stern, Nascar, etc. it just did not make any sense to drop any more money.

Everyone has to remember that both services are STILL in the RED big time and they just cant throw money at everything under the sun. At some point, they have to start to turn a profit or they wont be around.... PERIOD.

NHL is still on Sirius for the next 2 YEARS.

There are a lot more changes to come. Geez, XM could decide later to end their NHL deal early, and Sirius could do the same with Nascar or any other service for that matter. Nothing is ever set in stone.
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I got SIRIUS mainly for the NHL too, I've just happened to think it was actually better.

But now, after the 2006-2007 NHL season, I will have some thinking to do. Penn State is already at XM, and SIRIUS has the Steelers and Penguins. XM will have a majority of my favorite sports teams. Good thing I have a couple years to think about it. I'd rather not subscribe to 2 services, so something will have to give.
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I said this on one string and I'll say it again here: this is LESS THAN NO BIG DEAL.

We're kvetching over the loss of a league that CANCELLED THEIR ENTIRE SEASON last year -- and a league that's been so mismanaged in the last 15-20 years that it's now considered in some circles on the same level as the MLS or professional lacrosse. And that same management team is still in charge of the entire league, in case you haven't noticed.

I think that $10M for 10 years is crazy, that the goofs running the NHL have done nothing to show they can dig themselves out of their hole, and that SIRIUS is much better off letting them go, focusing on the NBA (now if Sirius loses THEM we've got a beef), and using the bandwidth to do more for their longtime listeners (like upholding their promise of a second liberal/progressive talk stream or finding a way to do a deal with Apple for Sirius iPods).

Sorry to be the bearer of reality, but come on.
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I said this on one string and I'll say it again here: this is LESS THAN NO BIG DEAL.
Just because that is how you feel, doesn't mean everyone does. That's why everyone has their own opinion. It's a huge deal to me, a lot more than the NBA or NASCAR is or ever will be.
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Old 09-13-2005, 11:04 AM   #40
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As someone else said here, it's really too long from now to worry about. All sorts of things could happen by then, not the least of which is that one of these companies could buy out the other. My advice: "Eat, drink and be merry today; for tomorrow we die". (Hopefully nothing that drastic for all of us here, but you get the point.)

I've always thought that eventually one would have to subscribe to both services to get everything one wants. If you can only afford one, Sirius remains the better choice as far as I'm concerned.
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I said this on one string and I'll say it again here: this is LESS THAN NO BIG DEAL.

We're kvetching over the loss of a league that CANCELLED THEIR ENTIRE SEASON last year -- and a league that's been so mismanaged in the last 15-20 years that it's now considered in some circles on the same level as the MLS or professional lacrosse. And that same management team is still in charge of the entire league, in case you haven't noticed.

I think that $10M for 10 years is crazy, that the goofs running the NHL have done nothing to show they can dig themselves out of their hole, and that SIRIUS is much better off letting them go, focusing on the NBA (now if Sirius loses THEM we've got a beef), and using the bandwidth to do more for their longtime listeners (like upholding their promise of a second liberal/progressive talk stream or finding a way to do a deal with Apple for Sirius iPods).

Sorry to be the bearer of reality, but come on.
Yes, this is true. With a new labor agreement that has a cap, the NHL will rebuild. Baseball survived the cancellation of the World Series in 94, and then everyone said the sport was done. Baseball teams have doubled in value in the 10 years since.

What this deal really will achieve is XM will end up with massive market share in Canada, unsure if that will be worth anything more than bragging rights though. But I am certain this deal was about hitting a home run before Canada launches. In Canada, there is Beer, Rush, and Hockey, and not in that order. Hockey is a Religion in Canada. Not just a sport.

but For 2 seasons you can enjoy so I don't see the reason for the dispair.

I still wonder why Sirius never got an exclusive deal on the NHL?
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Old 09-13-2005, 12:05 PM   #42
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Then in 2007, Sirius will no longer be carrying them.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050912/d... Press Release
Sirius says they will have NHL in 2007

"SIRIUS is the Official Satellite Radio Partner of the National Hockey League (NHL), with live play-by-play coverage of regular season games plus the entire Stanley Cup Playoffs through the end of the 2006-2007 NHL season"
what they are referring to is the start of the 2007-2008 season. So despite a mismanagement of the terms of the hockey season the press release is right. xm will be exclusive starting the 2007 season
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I said this on one string and I'll say it again here: this is LESS THAN NO BIG DEAL.

We're kvetching over the loss of a league that CANCELLED THEIR ENTIRE SEASON last year -- and a league that's been so mismanaged in the last 15-20 years that it's now considered in some circles on the same level as the MLS or professional lacrosse. And that same management team is still in charge of the entire league, in case you haven't noticed.

I think that $10M for 10 years is crazy, that the goofs running the NHL have done nothing to show they can dig themselves out of their hole, and that SIRIUS is much better off letting them go, focusing on the NBA (now if Sirius loses THEM we've got a beef), and using the bandwidth to do more for their longtime listeners (like upholding their promise of a second liberal/progressive talk stream or finding a way to do a deal with Apple for Sirius iPods).

Sorry to be the bearer of reality, but come on.
Reality is that there are NHL fans, Joe. Obviously, you aren't one of them, but that's okay.

Let me exhibit what an anti-NBA fan would say in a similar fashion to you stupid rant on the NHL...


The NBA SUCKS!!!! What a waste of money. Who would listen to that?

Hell, they don't give a crap until the playoffs, bitch about their coach, and don't play when their ego is bruised. The best players never play for national pride. What a bunch on schmucks....

If SIRIUS lost the NBA, nobody would care. The sport sucks on radio anyway.

Oh, but you like them Joe. I guess this is all false then, huh?
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I said this on one string and I'll say it again here: this is LESS THAN NO BIG DEAL.

We're kvetching over the loss of a league that CANCELLED THEIR ENTIRE SEASON last year -- and a league that's been so mismanaged in the last 15-20 years that it's now considered in some circles on the same level as the MLS or professional lacrosse. And that same management team is still in charge of the entire league, in case you haven't noticed.

I think that $10M for 10 years is crazy, that the goofs running the NHL have done nothing to show they can dig themselves out of their hole, and that SIRIUS is much better off letting them go, focusing on the NBA (now if Sirius loses THEM we've got a beef), and using the bandwidth to do more for their longtime listeners (like upholding their promise of a second liberal/progressive talk stream or finding a way to do a deal with Apple for Sirius iPods).

Sorry to be the bearer of reality, but come on.
I agree with "most" of what you say, don't let these others your post since you're not as a big of hockey fan as they are.

Look...Hockey is a great sport, I love going to Thrasher games once in awhile. But it is not entertaining to the masses to watch on TV or listen to on Radio. Look at their TV ratings. One Yankees vs Red Sox game gets more viewers than an entire month of NHL games. And people in the Southern United States who didn't grow up with snow or ice (hockey) just don't care. NHL abandoned their core markets to set up camp in places with palm trees to make a buck. Then when the team sucks they wonder why no one wants to pay $67 per ticket to see them play. And their freaking playoff system is just as bad as the NBA, play for half a year and let half the teams get into the playoffs. I mean really what's the point?
Is the NHL dead? No. But they better pull it together over the next couple season.

XM having NHL doesn't bother me one bit. NHL is no longer on the Pedestal with the NFL, MLB, and NBA. I'd rather SIRIUS spend the money elsewhere, unless they already spent it on things like Howard or Nascar. What they need to invest in is keeping the NFL deal locked up and getting more and/or keeping the NCAA College broadcast rights.
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It stinks for Sirus Canada, but who cares about Canada
Well let's see, you've got a population of 30 million but a lot less economic disparity than in the U.S., meaning a higher percentage of that population can afford to susbscribe. So I would say the Sirius shareholders should care about Canada.
Bingo! This *is* big. I don't really expect americans to understand and thats fine, but an NHL exclusive (2007+) will be huge in canada and will definitly sway the numbers to XM's favor there. If they broadcast games in french as well then it will sway them even more. Bad loss for Sirius.
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