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Old 09-13-2005, 05:23 PM   #46
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all this makes you wonder too whats going to eventually happen to the non exclusive nba deal.....
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I said this on one string and I'll say it again here: this is LESS THAN NO BIG DEAL.

We're kvetching over the loss of a league that CANCELLED THEIR ENTIRE SEASON last year -- and a league that's been so mismanaged in the last 15-20 years that it's now considered in some circles on the same level as the MLS or professional lacrosse. And that same management team is still in charge of the entire league, in case you haven't noticed.

I think that $10M for 10 years is crazy, that the goofs running the NHL have done nothing to show they can dig themselves out of their hole, and that SIRIUS is much better off letting them go, focusing on the NBA (now if Sirius loses THEM we've got a beef), and using the bandwidth to do more for their longtime listeners (like upholding their promise of a second liberal/progressive talk stream or finding a way to do a deal with Apple for Sirius iPods).

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Look...Hockey is a great sport, I love going to Thrasher games once in awhile. But it is not entertaining to the masses to watch on TV or listen to on Radio. Look at their TV ratings. One Yankees vs Red Sox game gets more viewers than an entire month of NHL games. And people in the Southern United States who didn't grow up with snow or ice (hockey) just don't care.
People in the Southern U.S. just don't care about hockey??? Who holds the record for the highest single-game attendance?

Answer: the Tampa Bay Lightning. When I lived in Tampa 10 years ago, hockey was all anyone talked about. So that's a pretty stupid statement. People in Atlanta don't care about sports all that much in general. I'm trying to pick on Atlanta, but it's no secret that the city struggles with their sports franchises. I went to the Omni once during the NBA playoffs and the place was barely half full. I remember Braves playoff games not being sold out. And the Falcons...forget it....

As for the TV ratings, you are only talking about the U.S. In Canada, the NHL pulls numbers that NFL could only dream of pulling in the states. XM wants market share in Canada....what better way to do it than the NHL?
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Some people are awfully quick to blame Sirius.

Did anyone stop to think that the NHL is primarily responsible for the decision?

It's a hard fact that XM had a good year's headstart in offering their service to the public, as well as strong connections to General Motors and Clear Channel.

So it's not surprising that XM has about 2.5 million more customers. The NHL knows that advertisers look at these numbers, so they may have made their decision based on this when choosing which SatRadio service to sign a long-term contract with.
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Old 09-13-2005, 11:46 PM   #50
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As for the TV ratings, you are only talking about the U.S. In Canada, the NHL pulls numbers that NFL could only dream of pulling in the states. XM wants market share in Canada....what better way to do it than the NHL?
I am going to play devil's advocate like so many have done with Sirius and the NFL. If that is the case as you state it, then people are going to watch to Watch NHL, not listen to it on XM.

I agree this was smart move on XM's part, but we'll see how it all turns out.
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Did anyone stop to think that the NHL is primarily responsible for the decision?
Nope, these kinds of deals go to the highest bidder, plain and simple.
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I am going to play devil's advocate like so many have done with Sirius and the NFL. If that is the case as you state it, then people are going to watch to Watch NHL, not listen to it on XM.
Maybe. What worries me about Sirius is that when you get down to it, the NFL and NASCAR don't add up to a whole lot of programming:

NFL= Approx 25 days per year
NASCAR = 36 days per year

MLB= Approx 200 days per year
NHL= Approx 250 days per year

Sure, I'm an NFL fan as well as an NHL fan but I can see that I'm going to get a lot more listening time out of the NHL than I would the NFL.
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People in the Southern U.S. just don't care about hockey??? Who holds the record for the highest single-game attendance?

Answer: the Tampa Bay Lightning. When I lived in Tampa 10 years ago, hockey was all anyone talked about. So that's a pretty stupid statement. People in Atlanta don't care about sports all that much in general. I'm trying to pick on Atlanta, but it's no secret that the city struggles with their sports franchises. I went to the Omni once during the NBA playoffs and the place was barely half full. I remember Braves playoff games not being sold out. And the Falcons...forget it....

As for the TV ratings, you are only talking about the U.S. In Canada, the NHL pulls numbers that NFL could only dream of pulling in the states. XM wants market share in Canada....what better way to do it than the NHL?
Tampa Bay is one market and one exception in hockey, and that is because the team is good. Very good actually. When the FL Panthers got good people went, interest was up. But when they started to suck no one cared. It's because many people in Florida and Atlanta are from somewhere else. Their sports loyalties lie in NY, Boston, Chicago, etc.
And what do you expect in Atlanta, when Time Warner owns the Hawks and Thrashers and don't care if they win or not. Would you care about the team who doesn't care to win? Braves are the opposite, they win and win, but they don't win the big one.

And what the hell are you talking about NHL ratings in Canada beating the NFL? They might have high ratings on paper, but it doesn't mean much when the population of viewers is 10% of the US population.
USA Population: 295 Million
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How good of a radio sport is hockey? What kind of ratings does hockey get on the radio?

As far as bang for the buck, I like the amount of games and the length of the season. It seems pretty cheap, too, at $10 mil a season (and that cost is shared with CSR).

Baseball was a great deal because of how it plays on the radio. According to the Arizona Republic, "A survey commissioned by XM revealed that 23 percent of the network’s new subscribers signed up specifically because of Major League Baseball. " That's incredible. Obviously, baseball was the crown jewel. I wonder about the pecking order of the rest of the sports.
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$10M a year for ten years?

Considering how far hockey has to come to even regain the fans it had, much less try to build a fan base (and considering the same leadership that killed last season is still in charge) -- and that it doesn't even take effect for what, two more years? -- this is throwing good money for bad. It's a WAY overpriced deal for an extremely damaged league who doesn't look like they have the leadership to patch themselves up, and a lot of bandwidth to suck up, to boot.

Will it hurt SIRIUS in Canada? How many teams are left in Canada? 'Nuff said.

Note to SIRIUS: lock in the NBA and add an NBA channel now that the NHL will soon be gone. Do that, and this won't even be a blip.
Eventhough the NHL is probably the least popular of the major sports, is this really a bad deal in the grand scheme of exclusive satellite radio content deals? I usually compare deals to the high water mark of satellite radio content deals... Howard Stern. Sirius is paying him $100 million per year for 5 years, which in one year equals the total amount of XM's investment in the NHL over a 10 year period (8 of which will be exclusive XM content). There have been some arguments over the value of the Howard deal, but in general, many feel that it's a good PR move that can pull in a bunch of subscribers. Dollar for dollar though, is the Howard deal a better investment than XM's NHL deal? Howard Stern is estimated to have an audience of about 10 million listeners. Even with its low popularity, I'd have to guess that the NHL has much more than 10 million fans. Is Howard going to reach a wider audience than exclusive NHL content will? I guess anything's possible, but I'd guess that exclusive Stern content and exclusive NHL content will have a similar subscriber draw. Only XM's exclusivity costs $400 million less and lasts for 3 more years (since they really only have the NHL exclusively for 8 years). Based on the costs of acquiring exclusive content in the satellite radio industry, it really doesn't seem like too bad of a move.
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You can't compare Howard to the NHL fairly. NHL can be viewed live, on TV, on terresterial radio and on sat radio.

Howard will only be available on Sirius and on-demand cable.

I don't disagree that the price for hockey may not be that unreasonable. As a non-hockey fan, I'd like to hear from people about how it plays on the radio.
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However, I think for most hockey fans having the games of their home team is of paramount concern. Now if you live in fringe terrestrial reception areas or are away from "home" that can be a problem. But for most, they will still be able to see and hear their favorite team on traditional radio and tv.

There may be less here than meets the eye.
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I don't disagree that the price for hockey may not be that unreasonable.
Wow! A quadruple negative!

So you're saying that you agree that the price may be reasonable?
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Wow! A quadruple negative!

So you're saying that you agree that the price may be reasonable?
I don't disagree that my message wasn't unclear.
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This is why we need something done with these "exclusive" partnerships. On terrestrial radio, you can get games and races on radio stations owned by different companies. IMHO, nether Sirius or XM should be the "exclusive" of anything. The should just pay the NFL, NHL, MLB, NBA, NASCAR the rights to broadcast, just like any other radio station would.
Well, for two years you'll get the NHL that way. I'd LOVE the opportunity to have everything available on both services.

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Sep. 13 - The NHL next month will become the only major-league sport with its games carried live daily on both the XM and Sirius satellite radio networks.

Under a new 10-year, $100 million deal with XM Satellite Radio, XM will carry more than 1,000 NHL games this season at no added charge to its subscribers.

Rival Sirius Satellite Radio will continue to carry NHL games for the next two seasons. After that, the NHL will be exclusively on XM.

XM will create a 24-hour hockey talk channel that will be on the air year-round. Hugh Panero, chief executive officer of XM, said the channel will start during the fall.

"We want to be part of the resurgence of hockey," he said.

SATELLITE SCORECARD

--XM Satellite Radio

Subscribers: 4.4 million.

Primary sports:Major League Baseball, NHL, NASCAR (through 2006), PGA, college sports (Atlantic Coast Conference, Pacific Ten, Big Ten).

--Sirius Satellite Radio

Subscribers:1.8 million

Primary sports: NFL, NBA, NHL (through 2006-07), 125 colleges, NCAA basketball tournament, Wimbledon, NASCAR (beginning in 2007).

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Maybe. What worries me about Sirius is that when you get down to it, the NFL and NASCAR don't add up to a whole lot of programming:

NFL= Approx 25 days per year
NASCAR = 36 days per year

MLB= Approx 200 days per year
NHL= Approx 250 days per year

Sure, I'm an NFL fan as well as an NHL fan but I can see that I'm going to get a lot more listening time out of the NHL than I would the NFL.
I think that is what XM looked at. Quality with quantity.
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