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Old 08-26-2005, 09:23 PM   #46
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To answer a few people's questions...

There is not gonna be a clunky head piece gear for the sleek, sexy S50. Hence this is not a "to go" device. Sirius executive are not yet convinced of a true "to go" device and are continuing to work on one that doesn't get a crap load of drop outs and no signal as Xm's portable does.

So Sirius decided to go the 50 hours of recording route which IMO is the smart move. Many can now take this device and go workout to recorded Sirius songs, stations, or your very own MP3s. I am glad I did not go out and buy a $200 MP3 player only the other week for the gym.

50 hours = 1G of recording which is suffice. It's built inside so no external memory card is needed like the Rego(glad I did not purchase that one too).


Also, once the 1G is filled...and you want to record more...it is suppose to automatically delete the last thing on file.

Perfect? No. Sexy? YES. Sleek? YES. Getting one? Definitely


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Old 08-26-2005, 10:30 PM   #47
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There is not gonna be a clunky head piece gear for the sleek, sexy S50. Hence this is not a "to go" device. Sirius executive are not yet convinced of a true "to go" device and are continuing to work on one that doesn't get a crap load of drop outs and no signal as Xm's portable does.
I think that many Sirius subscribers would be more than happy to wear a "clunky" antenna headset if it meant that their portable Sirius tuner could pick up live Sirius broadcasts. Many people on this board seemed more than willing to do that when the Rego was being discussed, and that tuner didn't look nearly as nice as the S50. The 50 hour recording capacity is a nice work-around to this issue, but I still don't think it's quite as convenient for a subscriber as simply having the ability to flip between all Sirius stations live while they're on the go.

I'm also not convinced that the Sirius execs are waiting to release a live portable tuner until all the reception kinks are worked out. Given the nature of the technology, the day of perfect portable or indoor reception may never come. Also, Sirius is more than happy to market home kits to customers when home reception is not perfect (or at least not simple/elegant) at the current time. Why would they take a different approach with portable reception? If I had to guess, they might still be having some issues with battery life for a live portable. The S50 gets 6 hours of operation time, and it doesn't have to drive the electronics for a live satellite tuner (it seems the tuner electronics are int he home/car kit). If it also had to drive the satellite tuner electronics, the battery life would probably be much lower.

Basically, I think the execs are throwing a little smokescreen at us. I'm sure they saw the sales numbers of the MyFi and liked them. I also think they realize that initial disappointment with MyFi reception had been largely remedied with the antenna headphones, and they can put out a product that includes the antenna headphones and avoid many of those product returns. It seems to me that the truth is they don't have the technology perfected yet for a true live portable. The S50 looks great, and it is a viable portable product which will probably satisfy many users. But I think that, behind closed doors, Sirius is still working on that live portable, realizing that there will still be a huge market for it once it's released. I think the S50 will sell pretty well, but throw in a live tuner and antenna headphones into a similarly sexy and feature-rich package and Sirius would have a product that would fly off store shelves. To me, this is a nice product that is one step away from being an amazing product.
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Then they saw the return rates and thought otherwise!
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I'm sure they saw the sales numbers of the MyFi and liked them.
Then they saw the return rates and thought otherwise!
I think my next sentence in that post addressed that situation If Sirus put out a live portable which included the antenna headphones (which have solved many people's problems with MyFi portable reception), I think they could avoid the large number of returns that XM had with the MyFi.
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Jeez, I'm sorry, we need a smiley that has a gun pointed at his head. LOL.

I still think the reception would be spotty in most places even with a headphone with built-in antenna.
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Old 08-27-2005, 05:04 PM   #51
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As we all know your antenna to a home kit has to be near the window if not outside. What are you gonna do with that clunky head piece?

Have you head outside your window screaming...

"YEA I GOT A LIVE ONE HERE!!!"

Sorry but I perfer the 50 hours recording and the mp3 aspect much better.

Most people who are happy with their Xm to go device are not using it for "to go." Rather it is in their car where they can get a good reception. Go to circuitcity.com and read the views...not so great inside.
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While the S50 is an attention-getting concept, I'm going to break out the crystal ball...here's what I see:

I see a core group of enthusiasts buying these - fully understanding them and digging them...

I see a larger group of people who will buy them because they're pretty - but get mad when they don't do what they thought they would do...

And then there's the group that thought they'd like them - but can't remember to dock it and end up with no fresh material on their way out the door.

The K.I.S.S. principle has been thrown out the window with this one.
(Keep it simple stupid)

Mostly - I see that this is exactly what Sirius had in mind - just grab attention.
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Old 08-28-2005, 10:27 AM   #53
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The S50 is a passive experience. If you want to listen to MP3s, then an iPod is a better choice. If you want to time-shirt SIRIUS' great music, with absolutely no effort or intervention, then the S50 will do that.

It's easy to cast this off as just an MP3 player, but the average American does not have the patience or knowledge to rip the SIRIUS stream, organize their favorite tracks and then upload them to a device.

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AMEN!! That's my thought's exactly Jeff. I've seen several posts from people saying "why not use and IPOD and timeshift with computer software...etc. etc." The way they've described it sounds akin to trying to fly the space shuttle to me (Yeah, I'm not that computer savvy.) It just sounds like a lot of work to save a few bucks (and a huge hassle). On the other hand, the S50 will probably be almost effortless and easy to use. I bought a MyFi a few months back when Xact kept pushing back the ReGo, and if the S50 is anything like the MyFi, it is incredible simple to set up to record and to use. I can set the MyFi up to record 6 hours of content on two different channels in about 30 seconds and be done with it. I'm guessing the S50 will also be simple to use and program in the docks. And that is exactly what I want. As I said earlier, I will use it at work, so a recordable device is exactly what I needed. (can't get a live signal in the building where I work anyway, so who cares). I NEVER use the live listening feature on my MyFi. I use it just for timeshifting content, so the S50 is gonna be perfect for me.
Anyway, I've been screaming for a Sirius portable for a year now, and I will be the first one standing in line when they come out in October and I'll be ready to call and set up my 3rd Sirius account!
And as far as IPOD's go. Yes, I do own an IPOD too and enjoy it, but I'm not willing to jump through all kinds of hoops to use it to timeshift Sirius through a computer just to save $50 bucks. Personally I wouldn't have a clue how to do it, and am not patient enough to do it every day (which is how often I will use a recordable device).
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Okay, I have both Sirius and XM so I am not the average consumer....but I am 55 years old and have no idea how to use an Ipod or rip music, nor
do I want too. I listen at home to Pure Jazz on Sirius and Real Jazz on XM ( although I have to admit I like the free BlueNote Radio site better than either).

For many people, a device has to be simple or it wont be used, the users of this site are much more tech advanced than 99% of the market and satellite radio needs that mass market. For me the marketing is very simple:

If I cant listen live, then the product does not make sense. I have the Skifi 2 and never use the replay function; what good is recording live News and especially sports? I bet that almost every person giving this as a gift will assume that it is a true portable, since this is an obvious assumption to make by us non-techie folks. (remember, we dont have ipods or mp3 players.) I predict that many of these will be returned, unless the salespeople give out accurate information, but I also predict many salespeople will think it does have live-listening capabilities. For $500, one would certainly make that assumption, esp. as this is viewed as competition to the myFi, not the Ipod by average folks.

So, from an old fogy perspective, any radio receiver that cant listen live, is just a fancy tape-recorder. I am not bashing Sirius, they deserve credit for not releasing a product if they feel it wont work well, but giving you the perspective of an average listener.

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With the S50, I applaud SIRI for creating a new niche in satellite radio technology. Its introduction wasn't quite what the opposition was expecting; SIRI has clearly played to its advantages here, in doing so they have even outdone regular MP3 players.

1. With a repeater network not as vast as XM's, SIRI might have turned many people away, in producing a Rego or live portable. They will not with this device. I will go as far as saying that this device is better than an IPOD. Yes you can quote me on this. Disclaimer I own XM, SIRI, & APPLE U2 IPOD PHOTO. The downside, if any, to apple is you have to keep spending $ to have the lastest and greatest or music you love. With time shift you pay around $12.95, excluding lifetime sub, and get it all.

2. Most bashers complain about SIRI's sports line-up, "most of these are visual sports," right (I know, not quite, but bear with me)? Many consumers will buy this device for the music or shows that you can get in advance and would like to hear again. That's 44 more hours than you can get out of the Myfi, minus 0 dropouts ever.

3. It will be out by October, way before XM's Samsung unit, and plenty of time for price to come down prior to the Holidays.

This unit is not going to be a high volume item, esp. at its current price including home dock. I don't think it was meant to be. Think of it as the Lexus LS430 of SIRI's line-up; it's about time we had a poster child. Many that will not be able to afford this device will by others in SIRI's line-up in hopes of upgrading in the future.
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So many are complaining about how high tech this S50 is...

and that many people won't or don't know how to rip mp3s.

HELLO...

And how many iPods have been sold? MILLIONS...

Counts for 1/3 of Apple's sales.

While the S50 is only 1G...250 songs it willhold or your own recording of sirius stations. There is a market for mp3s whether the older crowd likes it or not...hence soon I am sure you will be able to BUY mp3s and rip them to your Sirius portable. Xm has teamed up with Napster.

There is a good article on the S50 at smartmoney.com and this little sleek baby will expand Sirius' market opportunities cause it has a little bit of everything on it...Satrad...mp3...and recordings.

God knows I am buying one.
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As we all know your antenna to a home kit has to be near the window if not outside. What are you gonna do with that clunky head piece?

Have you head outside your window screaming...

"YEA I GOT A LIVE ONE HERE!!!"
actually that statement is not true. If you live in an urban area, where I think its safe to say a vast majority of the american population lives, most will find with that "clunky" headpiece you dont need to be near a window (thanx to repeaters) to get a good signal. Living in Chicago and speaking strictly of my own personal experience the only time I dont get a live signal is when I am underground in the subway. I get a solid signal on the bus, the train and when im downtown I even get a signal in most buildings with no windows in sight (when im downtown the internal antenna provides adequate reception even with the unit in my pocket).



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Most people who are happy with their Xm to go device are not using it for "to go." Rather it is in their car where they can get a good reception. Go to circuitcity.com and read the views...not so great inside!!!"
where do you get these facts from? Why would most people invest that type of money in a "to go" unit if they're not going to use it live? why wouldnt they just purchase a less expensive PNP unit.

My personal opinion is that for sirius to have a successful "live" portable unit out they need to first improve their repeater network, which Im sure they are working. Someday too they will have a successful true portable out.
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As we all know your antenna to a home kit has to be near the window if not outside.
actually that statement is not true. If you live in an urban area, where I think its safe to say a vast majority of the american population lives, most will find with that "clunky" headpiece you dont need to be near a window (thanx to repeaters) to get a good signal.
In Chicago you are also in a "high signal" area
these show the satellite "footprints"
http://www.xm411.com/phpbb/album_pic.php?pic_id=19
http://www.xm411.com/phpbb/album_pic.php?pic_id=18

here in the NE the sat signal will go though wood frame construction
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I still think the reception would be spotty in most places even with a headphone with built-in antenna.
Those of us that have these tuners and use them with the headphone/antenna have don't find reception is spotty at all. I also had the Xact Stream Jockey and Power Pod at one time and the power pod worked GREAT outdoors and reception was not spotty at all either. So that proves to me if SIRIUS had a portable that allow for live reception, with the headphone/antenna setup reception would be equally as good.

I also don't find the headphone/antenna setup to be clunky at all, but to each his/her own. Just take a look around and you'll see there are a lot of people that use headphone in their daily lives on portables though most of them aren't sat radios.

I also disagree that SIRIUS needs to have a huge repeater network in order to have a successful portable that provides live reception. The key is the headphone/antenna being packaged with it.

I think the real misconception is that you don't need to have some sort of line of site to use them. I never expected these portables to work while sitting on my couch inside my house. But it works great sitting out on my patio and many other areas outdoors. This is a portable meant to be used on the go, not while you are in your house. You'll have a home kit for that. However the botton line is that if you happen to be in an area where you just can't get live reception you have the 5 or 6 hours with the XM2GO Product Line and you'll have up to 50 hours with he Sirius S50 Product.

The more I think about the S50, the more I like the concept, but I still prefer and want a unit that provides live reception as well as time shifting (recording).
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You know what I find funny, the folks that claim that live reception isn't possible don't have any of the technology they are dumping on. I have both Sirius with the XTR1 + Pod, and XM roady2 with personal kit, and BOTH work just fine here. In my house (wood structure, brick), outside, heck even on a plane. Oh, and the point? No repeaters here. I can get the roady to dropout if I stand directly against the north side of my house or against the north side of a tree where I would completely block the signal, but how often do you lean against your house to listen to satrad?

I still don't buy the return rate numbers that people keep claiming for the MyFi. It's funny that no one seems to be able to produce them, and it's these same people that don't have the technology that tout these figures. Either that or they just love to bash XM, have been caught up with it for so long that now they have to back the argument for Sirius as well so that they don't look like bashers. Sad really.

Fact: Portable Satrad does work, and works well
Fact: It is not for everyone
Fact: No, it doesn't work everywhere
Fact: Sirius needs to have a portable with live reception or they will lose customers who want this to XM.
Fact: XM has this now, has 3 different radios with this tech, and is sure to have more on the way.
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