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Old 10-11-2005, 09:45 PM   #16
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I still wish it was a portable live player.


It is VERY cool, but this one thing really hurts it (IMO).
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Old 10-11-2005, 10:09 PM   #17
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I still wish it was a portable live player. It is VERY cool, but this one thing really hurts it (IMO).
The technology to make a live portable unit that small isn't available at this time. They had to come out with a small unit that would be comparable in size to the current crop of MP3 players.

They are going after the MP3 crowd, who aren't getting live content on the go anyway.

The Apple iPod doesn't receive live content on the go, and Apple has sold over 22 million of them, so obviously live content doesn't concern millions of music fans.

So the S50 is actually an excellent idea, a combination of SatRadio and MP3 capabilities, and can receive live content when docked.

XM has also seen the light, which is why they'll be offering the Samsung NeXus shortly--which is also unable to pick up live content on the go.
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Old 10-11-2005, 10:10 PM   #18
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I do also wish it was completely live, but its going in the right direction. It gives another option until that day comes. Having Directtv satellite for the last 10 years, I have came to accept the limits of satellite. Everything has to line up right. Technology will do nothing but improve as time goes by. I think the S50 is a big step in that direction. It sure looks sharp, if it sounds as good as it looks its going to be big. For someone in a building at work that can't get a signal, its very appealing, it gives an option that was not there before, so its for sure a big step in the right direction.
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"This led to the S50's most surprising -- and controversial -- feature: Unlike traditional radio or even XM's MyFi, the S50 can't receive live broadcasts. It plugs into a satellite-receiving dock, determines which three Sirius channels you listen to the most, and downloads 1 gigabit, or up to 50 hours, of content (thus, the S50 name). Users can also program it to record certain regular shows or upload their favorite MP3 music files."

Umm, is this right? I can NEVER listen to "live" broadcasts with the S50??? Not even while it's docked in the Car kit or Home Kit? WTF??????


robdam misquoted the original article. what it actually says is: "Unlike traditional radio or even XM's MyFi, the S50 wearable part can't receive live broadcasts when not plugged into its satellite-receiving dock."

I think that's pretty clear.
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Old 10-12-2005, 10:35 AM   #20
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robdam misquoted the original article. what it actually says is: "Unlike traditional radio or even XM's MyFi, the S50 wearable part can't receive live broadcasts when not plugged into its satellite-receiving dock."

I think that's pretty clear.
Then the author changed it, because it did not say that originally.
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I think this product suffers from an incurable case of mistaken identity.

People are going to buy it thinking it's like a MyFi, and when they realize it's not, they're gonna be pissed.

Sirius would have done better to push it as an iPod alternative that also gets satrad broadcasts, instead of a "portable" receiver. To me, no live while portable = no portable.

I can see how it will be a good solution for a niche market, but the Sirius apologists out there who are trying to pass this off as a great move on Sirius' part are kidding themselves.
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Old 10-12-2005, 12:15 PM   #22
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I think this product suffers from an incurable case of mistaken identity.

People are going to buy it thinking it's like a MyFi, and when they realize it's not, they're gonna be pissed.

Sirius would have done better to push it as an iPod alternative that also gets satrad broadcasts, instead of a "portable" receiver. To me, no live while portable = no portable.

I can see how it will be a good solution for a niche market, but the Sirius apologists out there who are trying to pass this off as a great move on Sirius' part are kidding themselves.
While I agree that some people are overstating the importance of this product, you seem to be understating it. I think it will fall somewhere in between. It will provide a useful feature set for anyone looking to buy either an iPod or any other MP3 player. It has an added bonus of being able to record Sat broadcast. Also, consider that for people who have both a sat radio and an iPod or MP3 player that this will allow them to only have to deal with one device in the car. That, to me anyway, is a huge selling point.
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Old 10-12-2005, 12:36 PM   #23
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I think this product suffers from an incurable case of mistaken identity.

People are going to buy it thinking it's like a MyFi, and when they realize it's not, they're gonna be pissed.

Sirius would have done better to push it as an iPod alternative that also gets satrad broadcasts, instead of a "portable" receiver. To me, no live while portable = no portable.

I can see how it will be a good solution for a niche market, but the Sirius apologists out there who are trying to pass this off as a great move on Sirius' part are kidding themselves.
While I agree that some people are overstating the importance of this product, you seem to be understating it. I think it will fall somewhere in between. It will provide a useful feature set for anyone looking to buy either an iPod or any other MP3 player. It has an added bonus of being able to record Sat broadcast. Also, consider that for people who have both a sat radio and an iPod or MP3 player that this will allow them to only have to deal with one device in the car. That, to me anyway, is a huge selling point.
Yeah, I agree with you - but you're highlighting the iPod alternative angle, which the marketing doesn't seem to be. I think it'll be a great iPod alternative, and a sorry portable receiver.
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Your comment about people being pissed when they find out this is NOT a true portable sat receiver is dead on..And at $400 a pop,they will truely be very pissed..

One has to wonder why Sirius isn't concentrating on getting their next gen chipset out so they can release a true portable instead of pumping their money into this kind of device?
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Your comment about people being pissed when they find out this is NOT a true portable sat receiver is dead on..And at $400 a pop,they will truely be very pissed..

One has to wonder why Sirius isn't concentrating on getting their next gen chipset out so they can release a true portable instead of pumping their money into this kind of device?
Who says Sirius isn't working on the next gen chip and live portables? They are doing multiple things at once I'm confident in that. The S50 meanwhile will fill a void that live recordable device can't fill when they have only 5 hours of battery life and 5 hours of recording time. For me small and long record time is more important than live reception. Trying to assume all people think like you or will purchase based upon what works for you is not a good measure.
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"This led to the S50's most surprising -- and controversial -- feature: Unlike traditional radio or even XM's MyFi, the S50 can't receive live broadcasts. It plugs into a satellite-receiving dock, determines which three Sirius channels you listen to the most, and downloads 1 gigabit, or up to 50 hours, of content (thus, the S50 name). Users can also program it to record certain regular shows or upload their favorite MP3 music files."

Umm, is this right? I can NEVER listen to "live" broadcasts with the S50??? Not even while it's docked in the Car kit or Home Kit? WTF??????


robdam misquoted the original article. what it actually says is: "Unlike traditional radio or even XM's MyFi, the S50 wearable part can't receive live broadcasts when not plugged into its satellite-receiving dock."

I think that's pretty clear.
No I did not misquote the article. Maybe the article had it wrong, but I copied/pasted the article.
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Manco I'm not going to argue with you,the fact that you like it doesn't surprise me at all..


My point is if Sirius had a newer,smaller,next gen chipset in their near future they would have released this product(which seems like a good device) with live sat reception..It seems like a stop gap device to blunt XM's MyFi,but once word gets out it does not receive a live sat signal it becomes a waste of Sirius's time and money.
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Am I missing something, but WHAT is the difference between live (music) content and 'recorded'...?

While I understand you probably won't want to listen to CNN, etc., WHO CARES IF THE MUSIC'S BEEN RECORDED???

I had heard MANY of DJ's comments are PRE-RECORDED NOW(!) that you hear 'live'--Does that diminish their value???

Bottom line--If you're interest is 'music' for content, whether it's 'live' or not is irrelevant!
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Manco I'm not going to argue with you,the fact that you like it doesn't surprise me at all..


My point is if Sirius had a newer,smaller,next gen chipset in their near future they would have released this product(which seems like a good device) with live sat reception..It seems like a stop gap device to blunt XM's MyFi,but once word gets out it does not receive a live sat signal it becomes a waste of Sirius's time and money.
If the S50 is a stop gap product, why is XM releasing one around the end of the year from Samsung called the Nexus? This market will be made up of many types of devices to satisfy different requirements. I think the combo MP3/Satelite device will have a place in the forseeable future for both companies. Sure live devices will also be necessary, and Sirius will eventually have one (probably this year) but they do have their limits as well.
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Well first then IMHO both XM's Samsung and this S50 is pretty much a waste of money. You see there's this other company called Apple that already makes a pretty good Mp3 device. BUT one difference is that with XM by the end of the year a customer will have a choice. A true portable or a MP3 device that records.

I don't think us Sirius customers will have that choice...Just my opinion of course..

And BTW I wouldn't put XM up on a pedestal..Just because XM is releasing this kind of device doesn't make it a good business choice. XM has released a few units that have boomed in the past.
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