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Old 10-12-2005, 07:23 PM   #31
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I agree with Satradioman to the extent that it's foolish for Sirius to bill this as a portable - which they do in the first line of their S50 press release, "enabling listening on the go." They should sell it for what it is, the first iPod-type device that can receive satellite radio. That, in and of itself, is an achievement. The S50 is also a wearable satellite radio with very limited reception. That, in and of itself, is cheesy.
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Whoops,thats suppose to be BOMBED....

But anyway I wish they would release a true portable and get it over with.
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Old 10-12-2005, 08:50 PM   #33
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The author WENT back and added the "wearable..." part. He was NOT there originally.

He obviously got nailed by many people and had to cover his a**.

Too funny!!!
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Sirius did the right thing with the S50 by not making it a live true portable. Why? Cause Xm's live portables have many dropouts. You think you can go into a building and receive a signal? If so how??? With all other pnp players you NEED an antenna by your window or sticking outside your window. With a live portable are you gonna stand by a window or with your head outside? YEA RIGHT!!!

I like the recording of 50hr or a hundred or so mp3s one can upload. This thing will be great for my 40,000sq foot gym. Xm's player would NEVER work inside...trust me.

Don't believe me? Ask you yourself why then is Xm putting out 2 portables this holiday season and NOT A ONE is a live portable??? They went the route Sirius did with recording...
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Its a fantasy to think that anything portable would get a live signal in a building especially one where there is no windows as I have. Just in the car if I go through under passes, I loose the signal for a couple of seconds as I go through it. We have to think realistically and just appreciate the advances and progress made. We cant have it all and have it all at once. Sirius is limited just as XM to what the satelites allow. Thats just fact. I think anyone that would expect the S50 to be a live portable does not have satellite TV or they would know and understand that satellite just cant work that way right now. Just too many high expectations right now from some people.
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Good post, Satradancing.

I agree with virtually all of it.
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Don't believe me? Ask you yourself why then is Xm putting out 2 portables this holiday season and NOT A ONE is a live portable??? They went the route Sirius did with recording...
What hasn't been said is that the return rates on the XM2GO tuners has been as high as 35% in some stores. XM finally realized the screwed up by not including an headphone/antenna setup and finally came out with one. Then they enhanced the tampon antenna to give better reception.

If Sirius can avoid those high returns by not offering live reception while on the go, then this will prove to be the right move. Clearly the fact that XM is going this route means they had enough info to realize they needed to have both type devices.

I have a Pioneer Airware and I really like it, but there are many locations where you simply can't get live reception and are forced to use the recorded content, I just wish I had 50 hours instead of 5 of recorded content.

Regardless of what has been said in this thread. This is a PORTABLE unit. It is totally bogus to say if its doesn't get live reception it not a true portable. So does that mean the IPOD isn't a true portable either? Has anyone seen the ads that Sirius will be running for this device? I don't think they have been released yet. I think they basically will clarify that it is an IPOD type device as have the press releases indicated as much.

I'd much rather find out that I simply can't do live reception on the go than to be told I can only to discover I can't get a freaking signal, this is why the returns for the XM2GO tuners have been as high and I think this is the reason that Sirius won't have the big returns being predicted. It all goes to marketing and packaging. None of which has been seen YET.

I agree with Manco the market can handle both and Sirius will indeed have a portable that can do live, but considering all the pre-orders that have been made on this unit, I think many of you are totally under estimating the demand for this product and putting way too much stock in live reception.
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Thanks Ren Man. Alot of people have high expectations or unrealistic ones for a true live portable.

DAB...

Where is the sources that 35% of Xm's portables were being returned?

I saw the S50 commercial on Sirius.com and wondering when they are gonna start playing it if at all??? Cause it is one hot commercial showing one hot, sexy little player.
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Am I missing something, but WHAT is the difference between live (music) content and 'recorded'...?

While I understand you probably won't want to listen to CNN, etc., WHO CARES IF THE MUSIC'S BEEN RECORDED???

I had heard MANY of DJ's comments are PRE-RECORDED NOW(!) that you hear 'live'--Does that diminish their value???

Bottom line--If you're interest is 'music' for content, whether it's 'live' or not is irrelevant!
I agree 100%. The only content I would see folks wanting to listen to "live" would be news or sports.
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Where is the sources that 35% of Xm's portables were being returned?
Regional managers and store managers. They have no reason whatsoever to make that up.

Based on my experience orignally with reception I am not surprised, I know several people that returned them.

The good news is that XM has now figured out that the headphone/antenna and improved clip on antenna was an absolute necessity in order to fix this issue.
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I saw the S50 commercial on Sirius.com and wondering when they are gonna start playing it if at all??? Cause it is one hot commercial showing one hot, sexy little player.
I don't think it is a commercial you'll see on TV, I think it's just something Sirius did for their site to show you what the S50 is about.
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Regardless of what has been said in this thread. This is a PORTABLE unit. It is totally bogus to say if its doesn't get live reception it not a true portable.
It's "totally bogus" because you say so?

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So does that mean the IPOD isn't a true portable either?
No, the iPod actually fulfills its advertised purpose when unplugged.

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Has anyone seen the ads that Sirius will be running for this device? I don't think they have been released yet. I think they basically will clarify that it is an IPOD type device as have the press releases indicated as much.
Actually, the press release is pretty clear that it's being billed as a portable satellite radio, not an mp3 player that receives satellite broadcasts. From the press release:

"NEW YORK – August 25, 2005 – SIRIUS Satellite Radio today announced the debut of its first wearable satellite radio, the SIRIUS S50, which allows users to capture and store up to 50 hours of SIRIUS content, or a mix of SIRIUS programming and MP3/WMA files, enabling listening on the go."

If they wanted to bill this as an iPod competitor, wouldn't they have said something to the effect of "the first mp3 player than can also receive satellite radio programming?"
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"This led to the S50's most surprising -- and controversial -- feature: Unlike traditional radio or even XM's MyFi, the S50 can't receive live broadcasts. It plugs into a satellite-receiving dock, determines which three Sirius channels you listen to the most, and downloads 1 gigabit, or up to 50 hours, of content (thus, the S50 name). Users can also program it to record certain regular shows or upload their favorite MP3 music files."

Umm, is this right? I can NEVER listen to "live" broadcasts with the S50??? Not even while it's docked in the Car kit or Home Kit? WTF??????


robdam misquoted the original article. what it actually says is: "Unlike traditional radio or even XM's MyFi, the S50 wearable part can't receive live broadcasts when not plugged into its satellite-receiving dock."

I think that's pretty clear.
No I did not misquote the article. Maybe the article had it wrong, but I copied/pasted the article.
Sorry robdam - that's my mistake. I didn't realize that the author revised the article after it was posted.
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Regardless of what has been said in this thread. This is a PORTABLE unit. It is totally bogus to say if its doesn't get live reception it not a true portable.
It's "totally bogus" because you say so?

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So does that mean the IPOD isn't a true portable either?
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Has anyone seen the ads that Sirius will be running for this device? I don't think they have been released yet. I think they basically will clarify that it is an IPOD type device as have the press releases indicated as much.
Actually, the press release is pretty clear that it's being billed as a portable satellite radio, not an mp3 player that receives satellite broadcasts. From the press release:

"NEW YORK – August 25, 2005 – SIRIUS Satellite Radio today announced the debut of its first wearable satellite radio, the SIRIUS S50, which allows users to capture and store up to 50 hours of SIRIUS content, or a mix of SIRIUS programming and MP3/WMA files, enabling listening on the go."

If they wanted to bill this as an iPod competitor, wouldn't they have said something to the effect of "the first mp3 player than can also receive satellite radio programming?"
Actually that sentence is pretty accurate. That doesn't mean that prospective customers won't be confused, but you can't point to that press release as being inacurate. That's like saying an MP3 player isn't a player because it needs a computer to download the music. AN MP3 out of the box without a computer is useless. At least the S50 out of the box IS a satellite radio and can also take recorded content with you.
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Actually that sentence is pretty accurate. That doesn't mean that prospective customers won't be confused, but you can't point to that press release as being inacurate. That's like saying an MP3 player isn't a player because it needs a computer to download the music. AN MP3 out of the box without a computer is useless. At least the S50 out of the box IS a satellite radio and can also take recorded content with you.
Exactly Manco, very well said.

And YES Casual Fan it's a Portable because I say so, making your statement that its not bogus.

Selective bolding is easy...

NEW YORK – August 25, 2005 – SIRIUS Satellite Radio today announced the debut of its first wearable satellite radio, the SIRIUS S50, which allows users to capture and store up to 50 hours of SIRIUS content, or a mix of SIRIUS programming and MP3/WMA files, enabling listening on the go."
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