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Old 11-02-2006, 08:56 AM   #16
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If I were making this call at Sirius, I wouldn’t touch AAR at this point. It’s a failed concept from a business standpoint and damaged goods. The programming is a shell of what it once was, and promised to be.
Better move is to do exactly what they are doing now.
Pick up the pieces as AAR falls apart and build a line up that rivals and I believe will surpass AAR.
When AAR folds, and it will, scoop up Randi Rhodes, add Mike Malloy, Young Turks, etc. Add that to Stephanie Miller, Bill Press, Lynn Samuels, Ed Shultz, Hartman, et al

Do that and you have something that will be, what AAR wanted to be, but couldn’t quite pull off.
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Old 11-02-2006, 09:40 AM   #17
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Everyone is fighting to keep a dead horse alive. I agree with some other posts here. Why not grab the good personalities and toss them into what is already Talk Left. Heck name it something else, create something new.

It is interesting after all the critisism Sirius got for AAR leaving, that according to the initial post Sirius wanted to fund the whole thing! How's that for supporting lib radio? And AAR chose to go out on their own. They probably wanted to keep the bank they thought was coming.
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:38 AM   #18
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This is essentially what all political talk is. They are playing to their listeners who are normally the hard core people. Liberals listen to Randi Rhodes just like Conservatives listen to Rush Limbaugh because they provide what they want. Red meat for the coyotes.
The only difference being that people actually listen to Rush Limbaugh. Seriously, AAR was a failure from the start. I've tried to tune in occasionally, but unlike the conservatives I've listened to, the AAR personalities lack a sense of fun and humor. Frankly, it's all miserable bitching, tinged with a underlying hatred of anything non-ultra left, without the ability to laugh or joke. It took itself too seriously. Rule one is be entertaining, which AAR did not do from the start. YMMV.
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Old 11-02-2006, 10:41 AM   #19
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When AAR folds, and it will, scoop up Randi Rhodes, add Mike Malloy, Young Turks, etc.
What is that, everybody but Al Franken?
I haven't been keeping up with it, so excuse my ignorance otherwise. I heard the Franken was bad on radio, even if he is a good researcher and book titler. Well, as long as we're on the topic, I've also heard he was a bad influence on Saturday Night Live 25 years ago.
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Rule one is be entertaining, which AAR did not do from the start.
Ironically, the Young Turks are rather entertaining, but appear to have timed their arrival on AAR rather badly...will be interesting to see what happens.
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Old 11-02-2006, 12:22 PM   #21
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If I could listen to Al Franken while taking the bus ride home, that would be awesome.
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Default w/o Mike Malloy, why buy it, seriously?

Agree, let it fold, and pick up the pieces that are of value: Sam Seder, Franken, The Young Turks and uh, OK, Sam Seder and Franken and TYTs.
Plus maybe Bobby Kennedy and his sidekick whose name I can't spell.

But I'll say it again as I have often, lose Lynn Samuels and Alex Bennett and get Malloy and Peter Werbe in there.
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I think the biggest asset of AAR is the name, and Sirius would be smart to buy the company just for that reason. The quality of the programming is always going to be a matter of personal opinion, but the fact is "Air America" is the best-known...really the ONLY...brand name for liberal talk radio. And if Sirius owned that, they could do some serious marketing with it.
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The only difference being that people actually listen to Rush Limbaugh. Seriously, AAR was a failure from the start. I've tried to tune in occasionally, but unlike the conservatives I've listened to, the AAR personalities lack a sense of fun and humor. Frankly, it's all miserable bitching, tinged with a underlying hatred of anything non-ultra left, without the ability to laugh or joke. It took itself too seriously. Rule one is be entertaining, which AAR did not do from the start. YMMV.
I've heard people say the same thing about rush limbaugh. If you don't by into the dogma you won't "get" the joke
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This would be monumentally stupid.

There is ZERO reason for Sirius to buy AAR.

If Sirius wants the content, and there certainly seems to be demand for it here, then simply hire the talent. Sirius already has the production staff, studios etc.

To buy AAR Sirius would be paying a price that includes an exclusive contract with a competitor, contracts with terrestrial radio, a redundant production staff and syndication staff that would either put Sirius into the terrestrial radio industry or simply be an economic albatross.

Now, for political reasons Sirius may want to show support for AAR but I think that is outside the realm of a company bleeding cash as we are right now.

buying AAR would be like buying premier. STUPID and outside of Sirius's core business competency.
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Old 11-03-2006, 07:58 AM   #26
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To buy AAR Sirius would be paying a price that includes an exclusive contract with a competitor
You know, this may be a reason for buying it alone. Think of the new ads.. "Our content is so good, the other folks use it too!"
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I've heard people say the same thing about rush limbaugh. If you don't by into the dogma you won't "get" the joke
Like I said, Rush actually has listeners. There are enough liberal democrats in the country to support something like Air America; if it was only dogma, they would have been an astounding success. Something else was at work here and I can personally say I'm not blinded by dogma, at least not enough to be able to say honestly - Air America failed because it was not entertaining.
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Like I said, Rush actually has listeners. There are enough liberal democrats in the country to support something like Air America; if it was only dogma, they would have been an astounding success. Something else was at work here and I can personally say I'm not blinded by dogma, at least not enough to be able to say honestly - Air America failed because it was not entertaining.
Here's what's at work. You're calling AAR a failure after what, three years? That's like saying that Fox News was a failure after it didn't start pulling a profit until a year or two ago. It had a LARGE amount of financial backing to keep it going for the 8 or so years it took to stop losing money. If AAR had the financial resources that FN had, then they wouldn't be in bankrupcy at least. AAR also had a very ambitious goal - one that was probably too ambitious at the start. They may have been better off buying only a few radio stations at a time.

This isn't to say that FN is bad for having those resources, it was a brilliant move on their part that has finally paid off. Does Sirius have the time and money to invest into AAR? Not sure. It'll take them a few years, and it would be a nice balance to the existing talk channels.
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Here's what's at work. You're calling AAR a failure after what, three years? That's like saying that Fox News was a failure after it didn't start pulling a profit until a year or two ago. It had a LARGE amount of financial backing to keep it going for the 8 or so years it took to stop losing money. If AAR had the financial resources that FN had, then they wouldn't be in bankrupcy at least. AAR also had a very ambitious goal - one that was probably too ambitious at the start. They may have been better off buying only a few radio stations at a time.

This isn't to say that FN is bad for having those resources, it was a brilliant move on their part that has finally paid off. Does Sirius have the time and money to invest into AAR? Not sure. It'll take them a few years, and it would be a nice balance to the existing talk channels.
What should I be calling it, a success? Radio personalities should be allowed time to develop a following, it is true. However, in order to develop a following, you need to gain listeners each quarter, not lose them. AAR did not gain listeners and it lost the few it had. Fox is a success because it gained markets and viewers steadily every year (give or take a few quarters). Can you say the same for AAR? As far as financial backing is concerned, Fox may have Murdoch, but Glaser and Soros are no paupers and they are certainly as dedicated to their ideology as Murdoch. Unfortunately for AAR, they are also dedicated to making a buck, and obviously these financial giants did not see any bucks coming in, either sooner or later. Content is king, and AAR had none, IMHO. The ratings tell me I'm not delusional in that opinion.
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Sirius would be crazy to buy AAR. Sirius is already bleeding cash and it would take a wheelbarrel load of cash to get AAR. What's worse, AAR couldn't make it anyway on free radio. I don't see Sirius signing up enough new subs to sell advertising and recover the costs.

I agree with previous posts, pick up whatever tallent is there and put them on Sirius Left. But, imo, leave Randy Rhodes and Franken alone, those guys are mean and snide and no fun to listen to. I couldn't stand more then 10 minutes of their crazy rants.
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