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Old 11-03-2006, 10:35 PM   #31
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I really hope Sirius buys Air America! One of the main reasons I purchased Sirius was to be able to listen to this station. I know several others who did the same thing.
It was also one of the reasons I got Sirius. With the loss of them and recently of the John Bachelor show, I probably will let my Sirius subscription lapse in a few months.

BTW... if they don't bring back the whinny part of AAmerica, that's okay, but the rest is good. Please do bring back Jerry Springer's show also. If we get that too, I might upgrade my hardware.
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Old 11-04-2006, 12:53 AM   #32
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I think a lot of people in this discussion seem to be confusing the on-air talent that is currently on AAR and the financial baggage Sisius would be getting by purchasing AAR.

I agree that Sirius Left can use a serious facelift. I don't listen to left-wing talkers but I will accept the opinion of those on the board who do and acknowledge that AAR has the best available.

Those are certainly compelling reasons for Sirius to buy the contracts of this talent. However; this is a very different thing than assuming the debts and obligations of a failing company. Additionally many of the assets, such as syndication contracts, radio stations et. al. are of zero value to Sirius and would have to be liquidated or allowed to lay fallow essentially being a liability on Sirius's already strained books.
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Old 11-04-2006, 01:34 AM   #33
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First of all you trolls who just want to bash AAR stop hijacking the damn thread. Wheather AAR is a financial liability is perfectly reasonable to debate but attacking them for not having content is just stupid. Your arguements against the content could be applied to Sirius left as well so we should just not have any liberal content on Sirius at all then huh? Your arguements to let AAR die could also apply to GM or Ford and for all the same reasons but I bet you don't hope they go under. Stick to relevant arguements.


I don't know how the numbers would crunch but Sirius doesn't just need some better things on Siruis left they need a whole other channel. I don't know how they are supposed get the talent without buying the contracts the talent are bound by. Waiting for AAR to die could never happen. Bankruptcy is just about a standard practice in the airline industry.

If they can't acquire the network as a whole I would love to see them still add another channel and move all the syndicated stuff onto one channel and all the Sirius in house stuff to the other. They really need to plug some of the gaps with uncensored talk. It's a waste of sat radio to rebroadcast the meek fcc programming with a commercial break every couple of minutes.

For the love of god find something good to replace the Turks. I bought an XM so I could still hear them and even though I think XM sucks and I can't find much else to like on XM I listen to it more than my Sirius because of AAR. If AAR were back on Sirius I would cancel my XM and invest in new hardware like the Stiletto. But I won't untill they revamp Sirius left or add channels or both because Sirius is becoming less needed by me as time goes by.

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Old 11-04-2006, 05:44 PM   #34
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Sirius would be crazy to buy AAR. Sirius is already bleeding cash and it would take a wheelbarrel load of cash to get AAR. What's worse, AAR couldn't make it anyway on free radio. I don't see Sirius signing up enough new subs to sell advertising and recover the costs.

I agree with previous posts, pick up whatever tallent is there and put them on Sirius Left. But, imo, leave Randy Rhodes and Franken alone, those guys are mean and snide and no fun to listen to. I couldn't stand more then 10 minutes of their crazy rants.
I don't much care for Randi Rhodes either, but I would take her over an old replay of Bill Press anyday. And I love Al Franken's show, and I've never heard him go off on a "crazy rant", so I don't know what you're talking about. I would like to see Air America back on Sirius, because I'd like more choice in liberal talk here. I don't really care if it means Sirius buying AAR or letting it crash and picking up the remnants. Either way, I want my Young Turks back!
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Old 11-05-2006, 04:01 AM   #35
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AAR has failed in every market that they are in, when I say they failed I mean that they failed to be #1 in any market including some places that you would think Liberal Talk would do well like NYC, Portland, Madison, Boston, etc.

As a listener of AAR, I think that the problem is a combination of the following issues.

They tried to use big names that had zero radio experience. Yes they had name recognition, but they weren’t good radio personalities. Al Franken is being pulled off the air in many markets including San Francisco. Jeanne Garofalo is already gone as well.

They tried to launch a whole 24/7 Network in many markets before they were ready, they should have just syndicated the best shows as part of AAR and slowly added other shows as demand grew. This could have gotten them a larger audience on established talk stations.

They need exposure, and that means that they should have stayed on Sirius as well as XM.

They need radio people running things not ideologs, there is no reason to pay Franken the money that he makes, he does not pull in listeners.

AAR should be built around established radio talkers such as Rhodes, Shultz, Malloy etc.

I hope AAR makes it, but it would be stupid for Sirius to buy them, Sirius does not need to spend cash on a enterprise that has failed to make it on its own. Let Liberal money men like George Soros, Rob Glaser and Peter Lewis.
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TX, I agree 100 percent. Though I wish you wouldn't type in that extra small font.

I think the biggest potential talent on AAR is the team Sirius just lost, the Young Turks. Pay what it takes to get them back.
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If SIRIUS bought out AAR, I think I'd just have to cancel my subs. It'd be pouring money into a big old black hole.

The return isn't worth the investment.
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AAR has failed in every market that they are in, when I say they failed I mean that they failed to be #1 in any market including some places that you would think Liberal Talk would do well like NYC, Portland, Madison, Boston, etc.
For a while, they were #1 in some markets. But overall you're right. The reason they had such poor numbers was because they were on either low power FM stations or on AM, which is just as bad. In the Boston area, they were on two different AM stations, one was in the city, the other in metro west. It reached a pretty small geographic area (consider how physically big Boston and its surrounding area is and it adds up quick) and wouldn't keep listeners.

Conservative talk radio worked in established talk stations and had plenty of money pumped in by the likes of Scafie to keep it going until the audience was built up. Soros apparently doesn't have that kind of patience.
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If SIRIUS bought out AAR, I think I'd just have to cancel my subs. It'd be pouring money into a big old black hole.

The return isn't worth the investment.
I fail to understand this argument as a subscriber. At the very least you should be ambivalent due to the fact you dont like the station. They didnt take away any of your stations that you listen to. Granted, you may be worried about Sirius closing because they have lost so much money, but why make that day come sooner?
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I fail to understand this argument as a subscriber. At the very least you should be ambivalent due to the fact you dont like the station. They didnt take away any of your stations that you listen to. Granted, you may be worried about Sirius closing because they have lost so much money, but why make that day come sooner?
If I don't want my money going to AAR, It's my choice not to let SIRIUS have my money. If I don't want Franken or Springer getting paid from my subscription money I'll choose to end my association with SIRIUS.

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Old 11-09-2006, 12:47 PM   #42
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I originally got Sirius in part because of Air America Radio. I have kept it, but where I was loyal to Sirius when I first subscribed, now I'd seriously consider XM before upgrading my hardware. My main issue is the lack of good leftie talk radio. There are virtually no good shows left on Sirius left (a couple of descent shows but not great), and AAR has the talent. If AAR came back to Sirius, that would solidify for me staying with Sirius. So, I'm all for this if Sirius can pull it off.
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I think it is a good idea for Air America to be SIRIUS' bitch considering the way they took off in the first place. That goes for the Young Turks after Cenk "claimed" on their website that the reason they left was for "ratings. Period." Although I would like to see TYT and Air America eat a little crow...I would simply be glad for some variety on talk radio when compared to two hard core neocon stations, Patriot and Fox Talk. As much as I like SIRIUS Left (Which I dubbed "SIRIUS Non-Patriot" -- How self serving is that anyway to call right-wing radio "Patriot?") I just would like more content that actually is more political that Alex Bennett and Lynn Samuels rantings about other subjects that just waste time, airspace, and my subscripition. I think it would be a good move. What they have in music, they just don't make up for in talk content. For instance, I have suggested them to pick up Sporting News Radio. ESPN radio is really un-entertaining. SIRIUS is slowly putting XM out of service and SIRIUS needs to make up some of the difference, I think.
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I think it is a good idea for Air America to be SIRIUS' bitch considering the way they took off in the first place. That goes for the Young Turks after Cenk "claimed" on their website that the reason they left was for "ratings. Period." Although I would like to see TYT and Air America eat a little crow...I would simply be glad for some variety on talk radio when compared to two hard core neocon stations, Patriot and Fox Talk. As much as I like SIRIUS Left (Which I dubbed "SIRIUS Non-Patriot" -- How self serving is that anyway to call right-wing radio "Patriot?") I just would like more content that actually is more political that Alex Bennett and Lynn Samuels rantings about other subjects that just waste time, airspace, and my subscripition. I think it would be a good move. What they have in music, they just don't make up for in talk content. For instance, I have suggested them to pick up Sporting News Radio. ESPN radio is really un-entertaining. SIRIUS is slowly putting XM out of service and SIRIUS needs to make up some of the difference, I think.
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They tried to launch a whole 24/7 Network in many markets before they were ready, they should have just syndicated the best shows as part of AAR and slowly added other shows as demand grew. This could have gotten them a larger audience on established talk stations.
This was their single biggest mistake. It wasn't necessary to go 24/7. They should have started with Al Frankin, and determined if they could have made money off of it.
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