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Old 11-14-2006, 09:13 AM   #46
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AAR has failed in every market that they are in, when I say they failed I mean that they failed to be #1 in any market including some places that you would think Liberal Talk would do well like NYC, Portland, Madison, Boston, etc.

As a listener of AAR, I think that the problem is a combination of the following issues.

They tried to use big names that had zero radio experience. Yes they had name recognition, but they weren’t good radio personalities. Al Franken is being pulled off the air in many markets including San Francisco. Jeanne Garofalo is already gone as well.

They tried to launch a whole 24/7 Network in many markets before they were ready, they should have just syndicated the best shows as part of AAR and slowly added other shows as demand grew. This could have gotten them a larger audience on established talk stations.

They need exposure, and that means that they should have stayed on Sirius as well as XM.

They need radio people running things not ideologs, there is no reason to pay Franken the money that he makes, he does not pull in listeners.

AAR should be built around established radio talkers such as Rhodes, Shultz, Malloy etc.

I hope AAR makes it, but it would be stupid for Sirius to buy them, Sirius does not need to spend cash on a enterprise that has failed to make it on its own. Let Liberal money men like George Soros, Rob Glaser and Peter Lewis.
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It was amazing to see all these "humorist" trying to be radio personalities and liberal ideals conflicting with business principles.

Here are my thoughts:

Let it die and pick up the pieces later. Radio personalities are a dime a dozen and can be picked up easily (especially when they have no income.) Plus, you get to pick and choose who you want.

What is funny is how my father was so happy that the local Baltimore talk station (WBAL) got rid of Rush. What was funnier was when I told him the real reason which was they wanted to go completely local in their talk shows.
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:29 PM   #47
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I think most of the posters on this thread are missing the point.

Sirius should or shouldn't acquire AAR for the same reason that AAR may or may not fail. Good, solid business considerations. Politics doesn't enter into it. Like or dislike doesn't enter into it. Will it make Sirius money?

AAR decided early on to allow themselves to be funded by unreliable sources, with lots of agenda and limited scruples. They wishfully thought that the large rightwing audience of conservative radio equated to an untapped leftwing groundswell. They failed to consider the habits of their demographic, and never appealed to the advertisers who keep Rush in oxycontin and cigars.

Sirius already has a demographic in place that is growing. They don't need to start from scratch. A number of subscribers will tune into AAR automatically, just because of the name. Advertisers will consider those numbers and pay to play. Or Sirius, after careful consideration, will decide that AAR isn't worth a week old tunafish sandwich. In which case, they may decide to pick up some of the talent out on the street holding up signs that say 'Will Bash Bush For Food. Gaea Bless You!'

My political beliefs aside, I think that, if the price is right, buy 'em. Of course I thought buying Stern was a bad idea. So what do I know?
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AAR decided early on to allow themselves to be funded by unreliable sources, with lots of agenda and limited scruples. They wishfully thought that the large rightwing audience of conservative radio equated to an untapped leftwing groundswell. They failed to consider the habits of their demographic, and never appealed to the advertisers who keep Rush in oxycontin and cigars.

The issue is how many of Sirius' current subscribers will tune in to AAR. Will AAR bring in new subscribers (like Stern has?)

Once you have answers to those questions, then you decide whether or not to buy AAR.
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I disagree. New subs is a factor, an important factor, I admit, but not the ultimate reason for making the decision. To reiterate: would it make Sirius money?
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There's a very good reason why Air America is going bankrupt - it has virtually no listening audience in most of the metro areas where it is broadcast. With very few exceptions (NYC and LA area most notably) it has been a huge bust. Why would anyone spend money to purchase something that has proven so unpopular? Let XM buy it - they can take on the additional debt and make it a companion to Oprah, which is also turning out to be a sinkhole for money with (metaphorically) zero return in additional listeners.
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It's already past Thanksgiving, haven't they already been sold?
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Old 11-24-2006, 12:14 PM   #52
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How self serving is that anyway to call right-wing radio "Patriot?"
About as self serving as the name "Air America" as if it represents the essence of "American" radio and ideology. In either case.. big flippin' deal. Remember Air America used to set right in line with Patriot, Sirius Right and Sirius Left.
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RoadClosed, I think you forgot the litteral logic here.

SIRIUS Patriot is the name of right-wing radio as being "patriotic".
Air America is supposed to be left-wing radio that airs throughout America.
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After revisiting this thread it is clear that some of us have gotten the issues mixed up a bit...buying AAR or not... should be a financial decision for sirius...and not a political or personality one.
I for one listen to fox,abc, and patriot...they all give me hours of entertainment. I can't say the same for sirius left I have tried but the personalities just don't grab me. A change is needed....AAR? Or pieces there of? I don't know but sirius listeners deserve more political balance than we are getting now.
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Your interpretation. Not mine. Their logo (to me) represents the ideology I voiced. After all Air America was formed with the sole purpose as to counter dominance on radio with it's own propaganda. And propaganda is what it is. A network designed from the beginning to sway the electorate of what many believe is an unfair advantage that right wing media brings. Propaganda at it's best.

Part of me also thinks it's a glib on the Vietnam era "Air America" operation. Since most of the networks host, wait make that all of the networks hosts are anti-war. To be "progressive" you have to take that stance unless a liberal initiated the conflict. Then it's OK.

going further, the network was doomed from the beginning for many reasons. Many of which have already transpired through this discussion. They lied about capitol, issues with Sorrensen, AR fucking a couple stations in the beginning when they NEEDED exposure, management jumping ship early on, lack of advertisers, supposedly stealing money, etc. Or it's because they weren't on powerful enough AM transmitters. lol.

AR is like a corrupt company on The Guiding Light or some other soap opera, because that is what it is.

//EDIT BTW I'll miss Al Franken and his political "satire". Adios AL!
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After revisiting this thread it is clear that some of us have gotten the issues mixed up a bit...buying AAR or not... should be a financial decision for sirius...and not a political or personality one.
I for one listen to fox,abc, and patriot...they all give me hours of entertainment. I can't say the same for sirius left I have tried but the personalities just don't grab me. A change is needed....AAR? Or pieces there of? I don't know but sirius listeners deserve more political balance than we are getting now.
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While I don't care for Air Amerika although I listen to left wing talk occasionally, if it will help Sirius, I'm for bringing it on. I realize that it takes all types and I'm all for diversity in content but only if it makes business sense. Siri is a business enterprise with shareholders to answer to. It's not a government diversity program funded to give a voice to the voiceless or some happy horseshit like that. It's a business with a goal to make money to provide a return on investment to shareholders. If 100 channels of leftwing talk maximises revenues and profits then have at it. I don't think this is the case. So, it due diligence to the shareholders, they should pick up AAR or AAR content only if it provides a solid return on investment.
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I disagree. New subs is a factor, an important factor, I admit, but not the ultimate reason for making the decision. To reiterate: would it make Sirius money?
Just like Howard it would have to be exclusive to Sirius...not like O&A are on XM and some Terrestial Stations.

Lets focus on Talent exclusive on Sirius and not a network.
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I think it is best to let AAR disappear quietly.
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Even if Sirius were to buy AA, they still would not be able to put them on their air for a while. Does anyone know how long AA's "exclusive" contract with XM runs?
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I'm not really into Air America, but I wouldn't mind it coming back to Sirius!
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