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Old 05-06-2004, 02:53 PM   #1
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Hey Everyone- for those who don't know me from my ClubXM posts I am a member of the BMW development team who designs, tests, and writes the installation instructions for the dealer-installed Sirius systems (for BMW and MINI). If anyone has done a Sirius installation on a BMW or MINI I am proud to say I am probably the one who wrote your installation instructions.

It seems that ClubXM is practically dead and this is the place to be to get your questions answered. Well, I am here to answer your questions. I have been scanning the BMW/MINI posts on this site and see a lot of misinformation and assumptions floating around. I sincerely want to set the record straight.

It's a matter of personal pride to see people are generally pleased with the BMW/Sirius system which has been a large part of my project load for the past 3+ years and I look forward to further development down the line. So go ahead, shoot me a question.
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I know you've been a member for awhile, but welcome back to Sirius Backstage We appreciate your contributions to the forum in advance!

What are the most common misunderstandings and assumptions you come across?

I'm not familiar with the Mini Cooper head unit. What display capabilities does it have for Sirius text?
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From what I read today, alot of the misinfo has to do with installing Sirius alongside other options, using an aftermarket adaptor and various antenna questions.

MINI radios show information similar to what the E46 (3-series) CD radio does. As you scroll channels you see channel number first. After a few seconds the channel name is displayed. If you hit the INF button you can read artist name, then song title, up to 11 characters. If you hold down the INF button for 5 seconds a * appears (*INF) and when the INF button is pressed again the radio will show the Artist Name/Song title in scrolling blocks. The radio will always default back to Channel Name afterwards.
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ramjabar,
Glad to have you on board fielding questions.

What's the truth about SIRIUS/Nav compatibility? Will it not work with both, and if so, when do you expect these features to be compatible? Does the issue lie simply in the antenna?

I think BMW/Mini will benefit greatly from the reduced SIRIUS kit pricing.

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Interesting post.... (?) Since I installed my Sirius OEM in my Mini myself, I'm somewhat curious about the record (post).

And Jeff, yes, a lower price would have been nicer.

Manco, the unit defaults to the station name (The Beat). Scroll order is
The Beat----Gigi D'Agostino-----I'll Fly With You-----66---The Beat.

You can select the artist and song title to just show the first line or you can
set it to scroll thru the entire name/song title up to 30 something letters.

Most of the functions can be controlled from the steering wheel controls with the exception of the artist/song title. You have to use buttons on the head unit for that.

It's been one of the best features on my car....right behind gas mileage!

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Ok...Sirius is compatible with 9/03 production and newer 3-series with Nav and 10/03 production and newer X5 with Nav. There is no MY04 E39 (5-series). The installation kit is the same but the Sirius receiver is a new part number (365)(which is backwards compatible with the older (981) receiver). The antenna is a separate issue having to do with real estate. If the BMW owner opts for BMW assist on his 3-series he gets a phone antenna on the roof. BMW now says the installer can use the trunklid-mounted antenna on these cars. BMW is also launching the new low-profile Sirius antenna which can be mounted on the trunk lid (currently recommended) and roof (soon).
If, for example a BMW owner wants to install Sirius in an older E46, E53 or E39 it is only possible if the car is of 9/02 (or X5 10/02) or newer with DVD NAV. The radio (in the trunk) would have to be replaced with a MY04 radio and the Navigation computer must be updated to the latest Navigation software- Not an easy or cheap procedure.

About the pricing. I know dealers have been gouging customers and it is to their own detriment. It isnt a BMW internal issue its a free enterprise issue- dealers can charge what they want as long as customers are willing to pay for it. As the technology progresses expect the hardware price to drop.
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From my experience, hardware for dealer installed options are NEVER discounted when installed by the BMW service dept. When you factor in the high MSRP for the components and $90-100/hour BMW labor costs, these options are very prohibitive.

I've purchased both the BMW Sirius kit and Bluetooth phone kits at discounted prices and installed them in my 530i myself. By doing this, I've saved myself hundreds of $$$'s. If you do not/can not do the install yourself, purchase the kits and have a local auto audio shop do the work. The savings will not be as great, but you will save money.

Hope this helps...JL
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javascript:emoticon('') After months of pounding my head I think I might have found a person/people to help!!! I have a few BMW's ('02 M3 Coupe, '03 M3 convertible, and '04 330xi) and a '04 Range Rover (almost a BMW). The '02 and the '03 need help!!!!

Firstly I want to tackle the '02 M3 with Nav. I know that I am basically going to need a '04 head unit behind my Nav. screen. I have upgraded my Nav. from a Mark III CD based to a Mark IV DVD system. I took delivery of the car in Europe in July of 2002, so I don't make that 9/02 cut date. If the problem is just the Nav. system that is kicked. I know that the operation is going to be expensive but a list of what I am going to need would be SO excellent. I don't have a fin or any other type of antenna on my roof.

On the '03 convertible the problem is less of an ordeal, I guess that I need to mound an antenna on the trunk. No problem. The car was delivered in Feb. 03 and I understand that might make a difference.

Any help would be EXCELLENT and I am willing to spend the money to get these two car dialed in. I would also be happy to document the whole process with pictures for both cars and post them to one of my wed sites. I would also happily post those who would like a tip of the hat on the project.

The Range Rover is going to be knocked to a '05 as Sirius will be an option. (among other changes that I would like.)

Thank you for all of suggestions and help in advance.

P.S. A fellow in the M3fourm was super helpful already. Thanks “prvtartnet”javascript:emoticon(':agre e:')
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Sorry about the sloppy inserts.

Oh, the '04 is dialed in. It is a non Nav. car with both BMW assist and Sirius.
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Go to this site to get information regarding the BMW/Sirius Kits:
http://www.circlebmw.com/parts/sirius/sirius.htm

Hope this helps....JL
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javascript:emoticon('') After months of pounding my head I think I might have found a person/people to help!!! I have a few BMW's ('02 M3 Coupe, '03 M3 convertible, and '04 330xi) and a '04 Range Rover (almost a BMW). The '02 and the '03 need help!!!!

Firstly I want to tackle the '02 M3 with Nav. I know that I am basically going to need a '04 head unit behind my Nav. screen. I have upgraded my Nav. from a Mark III CD based to a Mark IV DVD system. I took delivery of the car in Europe in July of 2002, so I don't make that 9/02 cut date. If the problem is just the Nav. system that is kicked. I know that the operation is going to be expensive but a list of what I am going to need would be SO excellent. I don't have a fin or any other type of antenna on my roof.

On the '03 convertible the problem is less of an ordeal, I guess that I need to mound an antenna on the trunk. No problem. The car was delivered in Feb. 03 and I understand that might make a difference.

Any help would be EXCELLENT and I am willing to spend the money to get these two car dialed in. I would also be happy to document the whole process with pictures for both cars and post them to one of my wed sites. I would also happily post those who would like a tip of the hat on the project.

The Range Rover is going to be knocked to a '05 as Sirius will be an option. (among other changes that I would like.)

Thank you for all of suggestions and help in advance.

P.S. A fellow in the M3fourm was super helpful already. Thanks “prvtartnet”javascript:emoticon(':agre e:')
You didnt mention if your convertible has Nav or not.
The radio on Nav cars is not behind the monitor- it is mounted in the trunk. You would have to replace this radio with a MY04 radio. Dont forget to set your radio to US mode or Sirius wont work.
You have to update your Nav software to the latest in order for your Sirius to work. I think V22.? is the latest compatible nav software for Sirius. This is of course only if you are using the latest DVD Nav system.
The rest of the parts are the normal BMW sirius parts-Receiver, antenna, installation kit and cables (if necessary). Can't help you with the Rover, sorry.
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You didnt mention if your convertible has Nav or not.
The radio on Nav cars is not behind the monitor- it is mounted in the trunk. You would have to replace this radio with a MY04 radio. Dont forget to set your radio to US mode or Sirius wont work.
You have to update your Nav software to the latest in order for your Sirius to work. I think V22.? is the latest compatible nav software for Sirius. This is of course only if you are using the latest DVD Nav system.
The rest of the parts are the normal BMW sirius parts-Receiver, antenna, installation kit and cables (if necessary). Can't help you with the Rover, sorry.
Sorry about that, the '03 is a Cab/Con with Naviagtion as well. So all I really have to do is replace the radio and make sure that both of my Mark IV systems have the latest software? Same with the '03, or just the Nav up date. Do I look for some number on the radio to say that it is a go/not go on the '03 convertable.

Where in the trunk is the radio? Near the Nav and CD changer or somewhere else?

Help me with the Rover, hey I would take you out for many drinks if you were here. Perhaps I might, your call. Forget the Rover. I might just wait and get an '05 a be done with it.

Thank you SO much!!!
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You didnt mention if your convertible has Nav or not.
The radio on Nav cars is not behind the monitor- it is mounted in the trunk. You would have to replace this radio with a MY04 radio. Dont forget to set your radio to US mode or Sirius wont work.
You have to update your Nav software to the latest in order for your Sirius to work. I think V22.? is the latest compatible nav software for Sirius. This is of course only if you are using the latest DVD Nav system.
The rest of the parts are the normal BMW sirius parts-Receiver, antenna, installation kit and cables (if necessary). Can't help you with the Rover, sorry.
Sorry about that, the '03 is a Cab/Con with Naviagtion as well. So all I really have to do is replace the radio and make sure that both of my Mark IV systems have the latest software? Same with the '03, or just the Nav up date. Do I look for some number on the radio to say that it is a go/not go on the '03 convertable.

Where in the trunk is the radio? Near the Nav and CD changer or somewhere else?

Help me with the Rover, hey I would take you out for many drinks if you were here. Perhaps I might, your call. Forget the Rover. I might just wait and get an '05 a be done with it.

Thank you SO much!!!
Tim Knight
I have been trying to find out what the part number is that reflects the MY04 radios but I dont have the latest information. Check with your local parts department. If you remove the metal cover of the radio (it just prys off) there should be a little sticker inside that says SW8.7 or 8.8-those are Nav-compatible.
On the convertible the radio is behind the left trunk panel in front of the CD Changer location, below the Nav location. It is a silver DIN-sized box.
The Sirius receiver you need is P/N 84 11 0 153 365- do not buy the 981 receiver as it isnt designed for Nav. Also- if you do have a BMW CD Changer it must be the 760 changer or you will get distortion between Sirius and CD Changer mode.

I wish I knew something about the Rover- it hasn't been a BMW product since I have been working here and I have no experience with it.
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I have been trying to find out what the part number is that reflects the MY04 radios but I don’t have the latest information. Check with your local parts department.
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I called Pacific BMW and they were clueless. They gave me part number 65-12-6-927-911 (not sure about the spaces (-)in the number) and they called it "Replacement Radio Business on board monitor Radio." Now that sounds like two different parts to me. I will try calling Circle BMW back East.

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If you remove the metal cover of the radio (it just prys off) there should be a little sticker inside that says SW8.7 or 8.8-those are Nav-compatible. On the convertible the radio is behind the left trunk panel in front of the CD Changer location, below the Nav location. It is a silver DIN-sized box.
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Where might the radio be in the Coupe?

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The Sirius receiver you need is P/N 84 11 0 153 365- do not buy the 981 receiver as it isnt designed for Nav. Also- if you do have a BMW CD Changer it must be the 760 changer or you will get distortion between Sirius and CD Changer mode.
Excellent. Per the CD changer, I think that they are the same unit found in all post 2001 E46's

Question:
People have been making a fuss over "inputs" on the new radio systems. Is that input on this radio unit or somewhere behind the Nav. screen? I ask because that is where I understand the Sirius plugs in or something. Referencing the antenna I guess, but perhaps just the input to the screen/nav or the control for the radio in the car.

Question:
Is it the same port that people have been using to tie in iPods and what not? I know that you have to buy the OEM AUX input kit to access this and the output is in glove box.

Information:
When installing Sirius in our Business Radio equipped 330xi the dealership had to get some sort of splitter to make the Assist and the Sat radio to work at the same time.

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Lastly can you use both the AUX input and the Sirius at the same time or do they take up the same inputs somewhere?

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I wish I knew something about the Rover- it hasn't been a BMW product since I have been working here and I have no experience with it.
You are the bomb. I can't begin to thank you. But I would if you would let me.

What I can do is make a DIY file and .pdf it so others can do this install once I figure it out. I will include part numbers, where to get the parts (several options), pictures, reference to bulletins about BMW Assist problems and anything else I can think of to make it right.

I want to give you credit for all of your help on my DIY, but I don't want to swamp you with 2000 e-mails. Let me know how you would like to be acknowledged. That and I promise not to bother again.

Best,
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After much cross-referencing I have determined the 65 12 6 927 911 part number is the BMW radio you need, but you should still check to make sure it is V8.8 before installing. A -910 radio is a new (not refurb)version of the -911 and I expect hard to come by.

The radio in the coupe is in the left trunk corner bracket assembly, on the bottom, blocking the amplifier. It is held in place with (1) 5mm bolt.

As far as AUX for Nav vehicles, all MY03 (9/02 and later) production E46s have a 3-pin connector tied to the harness behind the Navi screen. Earlier cars are not retrofittable. You must remove the Monitor assembly from the dashboard (you will need special tools BMW P/N 65 1 110 to unhook the monitor from the dashboard of E46). The part number for the Aux cable is P/N 82 11 0 149 391 and is only used with Nav vehicles. When this cable is connected to the 3-pin connector you will be able to access a new mode on the screen for AUX. It is not tied in electrically to Sirius in any way as the sirius connects in the trunk, not to the monitor itself. Many people use the aux connection to tie in an offboard Sirius receiver or an MP3 player.-It can be mounted in the glovebox or elsewhere in the dashboard.

I have no idea what "splitter" you are referring to. Assist and Sat are independent- are you sure he wasn't pulling your leg? The only thing I can think of is if you use Sirius alongside the BMW CD Changer you need to add an additional cable between the Sirius Receiver and CD Changer. In case you didnt hear before the Sirius receiver uses the existing CD Changer wiring, then there is an input on the Sirius receiver to accept a cable for the CD Changer to be connected.
I would double-check the part number on your CD Changer before installing it since there have been several revisions through the years.

In case I didn't answer your Sirius/Aux question earlier- Sirius and Aux are different modes on the radio- you cant select Sirius mode and Aux mode at the same time if thats what you mean but you can have both Sirius and Aux installed in your vehicle at the same time.
Helping the perplexed is the only reward I need, thanks.
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