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Old 06-16-2004, 04:52 PM   #1
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This is going to be a great addition to ICE systems. I control Sirius from the steering wheel and soon the Ipod. Life is good.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=502
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Old 06-16-2004, 04:57 PM   #2
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This is good for Apple, but not that great of a development for Sirius. Sirius should be running advertising like they describe in this announcement.
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I agree. Sirius has done nothing to leverage its relationship with BMW. I am a member of the M3 forum and most of the members went with XM even though Sirius is the official partner.

You can't get a straight answer out of BMW or Sirius about the equipment and the dealers are completely clueless.
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You can't get a straight answer out of BMW or Sirius about the equipment and the dealers are completely clueless.
Can't get a straight answer? Why don't you ask me your question? What specifically do you want to know?
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You don't state what makes you a qualified authority on the subject but since you offered try this. The Sirius receiver for the 3 Series BMW (I have the M3) ships with an instruction manual for the Business CD head unit. The control buttons on this head unit are distinct from the NAV equipped head unit. The manual states there are 18 presets, SRS1, SRS2, and SR3.

Is this available on the NAV equipped head unit and if so how are they accessed. I have written to customer service three times and visited 3 dealers in search of an answer.

I have asked BMWNA for the name of the manufacturer so I could contact them directly and seek a manual to no avail.

Any help would be appreciated.
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I guess you haven't been reading my other posts, otherwise you would understand that I am part of the team which developed the Sirius system for BMW. (BTW I also developed the iPod installation)
If you do indeed have the Sirius receiver for Navigation vehicles, you should have received an owners manual with it, BMW p/n 84 11 0 305 096. If you didn't receive the owners manual which applies to both Nav and non-Nav vehicles (the one above) then there may have been a kitting error. Otherwise- check your leatherette folder that contains owners manuals to see if the installer put it there. If you do have this manual, turn to page 37-'Storing and retrieving a channel'. On the top of that page there is a section called 'Memory Locations'.
"Sirius Mode can store 6 channels of your choice" "The 6 memory locations are utilized in buttons 1 through 6" .
I can't give you the reason why there are only 6 presets. There is however a great function on the Navi Sirius system which lets you scroll channels by category.
What else do you want to know?
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Excellent information. Thank you. I received no such manual and BMWNA told me it did not exist. Now that I have a part number I may be able to secure one. I had reached the conclusion there are only six presets after trying every possible iteration of buttons. Interestingly, the part number for the Sirius receiver I have is different. It is 84-11-0-153-365. I used the XM micro antenna in lieu of the original BMW antenna from the CAB installation as it is grotesque. They now have a somewhat smaller antenna.

Does the new receiver have a one or two pin connector for the antenna? I had to use an adaptor to make the XM micro work. I had it painted the same color as the car and it is barely noticeable.

I know about the scrolling but it is not something you can do safely while driving. Let's hope that BMW catches up to the rest of the NAV systems out there and really makes it Sirius friendly. They have left us out in the cold on the IPod too.

BTW, according to BMW this part# is the correct # for the manual. However, the manual does not exist as far as BMW is concerned. They have no price on it and is not available anywhere in the world yet. If you know where I could obtain one I would greatly appreciate it.

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I guess you haven't been reading my other posts, otherwise you would understand that I am part of the team which developed the Sirius system for BMW.
If you do indeed have the Sirius receiver for Navigation vehicles, you should have received an owners manual with it, BMW p/n 84 11 0 305 096. If you didn't receive the owners manual which applies to both Nav and non-Nav vehicles (the one above) then there may have been a kitting error. Otherwise- check your leatherette folder that contains owners manuals to see if the installer put it there. If you do have this manual, turn to page 37-'Storing and retrieving a channel'. On the top of that page there is a section called 'Memory Locations'.
"Sirius Mode can store 6 channels of your choice" "The 6 memory locations are utilized in buttons 1 through 6" .
I can't give you the reason why there are only 6 presets. There is however a great function on the Navi Sirius system which lets you scroll channels by category.
What else do you want to know?
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That part number I gave you is the manual alone and isn't available through BMW parts- only with the BMW/Sirius installation kit. I suspect you didn't install the receiver using the BMW-approved installation kit - If thats the case thats what happens when you take the cheap way out.

The iPod kit for navi vehicles is being developed now, its just more complex software-wise than the Non-navi radio software. We had to decide to launch what we had ready (non-navi) or wait several more months for the Navi Kit to be ready. We decided to launch what we had. Expect the navi kit in a few months as well as a harness which makes Ipod compatible with Sirius (right now its not).
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The part # for my install kit is 84-11-0-141-976 and Cunningham BMW installed it for me. BMWNA and the tech line for BMW Parts both report that the manual does not yet exist. I am reporter here. I have owned two E46 M3's, an 840CI, and two 328IS over the years and it is quite common to see this kind of organizational disconnect.

I don't doubt that such a manual is in the works somewhere but as a customer it is beyond my ability to find it using the only access points available to me.

I love my Sirius radio and I am delighted there is an IPod solution in the works. The problem I have is that despite the earnest work of many people like yourself the customer service is hopeless.

I stand by my earlier statement. As a simple customer off the street you can't get a straight answer out of BMW or Sirius and the dealers are clueless. I was the first person in the US to get Sirius on a NAV equipped M3. The very day the first receivers hit the ground one was on its way to me. This was in late February. I am the resident expert on this topic on www.m3forum.com and have helped countless numbers of M3 owners overcome the misinformation they get from the dealers to this very day.

I am delighted to have a resource like you. You should spend time on bimmerforums, e46fanatics, m3forum and roadfly where you are really needed.

BTW, when will there be a solution to the Bluetooth/Assist incompatibility? Is it true that the new Assist module will be able to remotely open locked doors and be able to track the cars if stolen? Will it be backward compatible?

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That part number I gave you is the manual alone and isn't available through BMW parts- only with the BMW/Sirius installation kit. I suspect you didn't install the receiver using the BMW-approved installation kit - If thats the case thats what happens when you take the cheap way out.

The iPod kit for navi vehicles is being developed now, its just more complex software-wise that the Non-navi radio software. We had to decide to launch what we had ready (non-navi) or wait several more months for the Navi Kit to be ready. We decided to launch what we had. Expect the navi kit in a few months as well as a harness which makes Ipod compatible with Sirius (right now its not).
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Sorry to accuse you- I see this so much and I'm happy it isn't true in your case. We do so much work developing these kits and people aren't utilizing them, only to have problems later, then blame BMW for it. (Like the case where a guy didn't secure his receiver in the trunk and it damaged other components as it bounced around- happily BMW ended up voiding his warranty).
I know for a fact that the owners manual exists (I have one sitting in front of me on my desk), but I think I heard a rumor it is back-ordered which is holding up the launch of additional receivers (the manual is now supposed to be included in the 365 receiver box instead of the install kit box). Its funny the tech line says it doesn't exist because one of the guys walked over to my desk yesterday and asked me the same question you asked about presets and I showed him the page in the manual. If you really didn't receive the owners manual you should try to request it when the reciever comes in stock- you paid for it so you should get it, right?
I agree the communication breakdown is terrible- The reason i decided to post here is because no one else can seem to answer basic questions about the system I spent years developing. BMW and Sirius are losing sales because dealerships arent following protocols about releasing parts bulletins to salesmen (or maybe they just arent reading them). There really isn't much I am telling you that isn't in the parts bulletins.

I don't personally work on the bluetooth/assist project- that is the Telematics department (based in Germany). I work in the Entertainment department (based in the US). I heard a rumor that Bluetooth compatiblity will be integrated in the TCU for MY05 vehicles (instead of the current standalone Bluetooth ULF module which isn't compatible with Assist). I dont know if it will be backwards compatible and i also don't know if we are offering these services-even though services like Onstar currently offer both).

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The part # for my install kit is 84-11-0-141-976 and Cunningham BMW installed it for me. BMWNA and the tech line for BMW Parts both report that the manual does not yet exist. I am reporter here. I have owned two E46 M3's, an 840CI, and two 328IS over the years and it is quite common to see this kind of organizational disconnect.

I don't doubt that such a manual is in the works somewhere but as a customer it is beyond my ability to find it using the only access points available to me.

I love my Sirius radio and I am delighted there is an IPod solution in the works. The problem I have is that despite the earnest work of many people like yourself the customer service is hopeless.

I stand by my earlier statement. As a simple customer off the street you can't get a straight answer out of BMW or Sirius and the dealers are clueless. I was the first person in the US to get Sirius on a NAV equipped M3. The very day the first receivers hit the ground one was on its way to me. This was in late February. I am the resident expert on this topic on www.m3forum.com and have helped countless numbers of M3 owners overcome the misinformation they get from the dealers to this very day.

I am delighted to have a resource like you. You should spend time on bimmerforums, e46fanatics, m3forum and roadfly where you are really needed.

BTW, when will there be a solution to the Bluetooth/Assist incompatibility? Is it true that the new Assist module will be able to remotely open locked doors and be able to track the cars if stolen? Will it be backward compatible?
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No worries. This has been incredibly helpful. My parts guy at Cunningham is all over this now and as soon as they come off backorder I'll get a manual. I agree, it's sad to see how poorly this great product has been rolled out. Just yesterday I emailed a bunch of screen shots of my NAV screen showing Sirius to a guy in Boston whose dealer insisted that Sirius did not work on NAV equipped cars. I want to be the first guy in the country to get the new IPod harness compatible w/NAV & Sirius.

I'll post a review and pics on the forums and I guarantee you'll sell a gazillion of them! Thanks for your help.


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Sorry to accuse you- I see this so much and I'm happy it isn't true in your case. We do so much work developing these kits and people aren't utilizing them, only to have problems later, then blame BMW for it. (Like the case where a guy didn't secure his receiver in the trunk and it damaged other components as it bounced around- happily BMW ended up voiding his warranty).
I know for a fact that the owners manual exists (I have one sitting in front of me on my desk), but I think I heard a rumor it is back-ordered which is holding up the launch of additional receivers (the manual is now supposed to be included in the 365 receiver box instead of the install kit box). Its funny the tech line says it doesn't exist because one of the guys walked over to my desk yesterday and asked me the same question you asked about presets and I showed him the page in the manual. If you really didn't receive the owners manual you should try to request it when the reciever comes in stock- you paid for it so you should get it, right?
I agree the communication breakdown is terrible- The reason i decided to post here is because no one else can seem to answer basic questions about the system I spent years developing. BMW and Sirius are losing sales because dealerships arent following protocols about releasing parts bulletins to salesmen (or maybe they just arent reading them). There really isn't much I am telling you that isn't in the parts bulletins.

I don't personally work on the bluetooth/assist project- that is the Telematics department (based in Germany). I work in the Entertainment department (based in the US). I heard a rumor that Bluetooth compatiblity will be integrated in the TCU for MY05 vehicles (instead of the current standalone Bluetooth ULF module which isn't compatible with Assist). I dont know if it will be backwards compatible and i also don't know if we are offering these services-even though services like Onstar currently offer both).

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The part # for my install kit is 84-11-0-141-976 and Cunningham BMW installed it for me. BMWNA and the tech line for BMW Parts both report that the manual does not yet exist. I am reporter here. I have owned two E46 M3's, an 840CI, and two 328IS over the years and it is quite common to see this kind of organizational disconnect.

I don't doubt that such a manual is in the works somewhere but as a customer it is beyond my ability to find it using the only access points available to me.

I love my Sirius radio and I am delighted there is an IPod solution in the works. The problem I have is that despite the earnest work of many people like yourself the customer service is hopeless.

I stand by my earlier statement. As a simple customer off the street you can't get a straight answer out of BMW or Sirius and the dealers are clueless. I was the first person in the US to get Sirius on a NAV equipped M3. The very day the first receivers hit the ground one was on its way to me. This was in late February. I am the resident expert on this topic on www.m3forum.com and have helped countless numbers of M3 owners overcome the misinformation they get from the dealers to this very day.

I am delighted to have a resource like you. You should spend time on bimmerforums, e46fanatics, m3forum and roadfly where you are really needed.

BTW, when will there be a solution to the Bluetooth/Assist incompatibility? Is it true that the new Assist module will be able to remotely open locked doors and be able to track the cars if stolen? Will it be backward compatible?
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Is there anything those IPODS cant do?!
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Expect the navi kit in a few months as well as a harness which makes Ipod compatible with Sirius (right now its not).
ramjabar: Will the harness (to make the iPod adapter compatible with Sirius receiver) be retrofitable on iPod kits purchased now?

I have the Sirius receiver and want to add the iPod adapter. If I buy the iPod adapter now, will I have to buy a new one when the harness is available, or can I retrofit the harness into the current iPod adapters installation?

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ramjabar: Will the harness (to make the iPod adapter compatible with Sirius receiver) be retrofitable on iPod kits purchased now?

I have the Sirius receiver and want to add the iPod adapter. If I buy the iPod adapter now, will I have to buy a new one when the harness is available, or can I retrofit the harness into the current iPod adapters installation?

Thanks
We are designing the harness to be retrofittable - right now you have to choose one or the other since they are currently using the same audio input source on the radio- you dont want to have to remove the radio to switch between Sirius and iPod, do you?
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ramjabar: Will the harness (to make the iPod adapter compatible with Sirius receiver) be retrofitable on iPod kits purchased now?

I have the Sirius receiver and want to add the iPod adapter. If I buy the iPod adapter now, will I have to buy a new one when the harness is available, or can I retrofit the harness into the current iPod adapters installation?

Thanks
We are designing the harness to be retrofittable - right now you have to choose one or the other since they are currently using the same audio input source on the radio- you dont want to have to remove the radio to switch between Sirius and iPod, do you?
Ramjabar,

As you may have seen from my recent post I have the Dension system installed that has enabled me to have both Sirius and my IPod with full steering wheel controls for both units.

I don't have on screen display of song info from the IPod but I can use all my playlists.

The Holy Grail is song and artist info from the IPod displayed on the NAV screen. How likely is it that the new harness will be able to do this?
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