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Old 01-11-2007, 02:30 PM   #16
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I plan on doinga similar thing myself . I also have 3 outlets in the living room . In my basement I have access to all of the cables from every outlet in the house which means three per room and then some so I figured I put the splitter in the basement with one going to the TV and the other going to one of the other locations through out the building
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Does this work with cable and satellite TV?

The reason I ask is because you can diplex an OTA TV antenna with your Satellite TV in the exact same way. So at your TV you can split it back out and get both your satellite TV signal, and your OTA local channels.

HOWEVER:
This diplexing does NOT work with cable TV, because cable TV also carries lower frequency analog channels through the cable, and this diplexing will interfere with some of these lower frequencies.

I wonder if the same holds true for diplexing satellite radio with analog and digital mixed CATV
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Old 01-11-2007, 07:33 PM   #18
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Does this work with cable and satellite TV?

The reason I ask is because you can diplex an OTA TV antenna with your Satellite TV in the exact same way. So at your TV you can split it back out and get both your satellite TV signal, and your OTA local channels.

HOWEVER:
This diplexing does NOT work with cable TV, because cable TV also carries lower frequency analog channels through the cable, and this diplexing will interfere with some of these lower frequencies.

I wonder if the same holds true for diplexing satellite radio with analog and digital mixed CATV
Thanks.
I don't understand the point of the part after "HOWEVER". If you're saying it's a problem, then it's:
- Something to do with the installation or a defective component
- Or there is a CATV amplifier between the Sirius antenna and the Sirius receiver,
- Or a CATV splitter between the Sirius antenna and receiver that won't pass ~2.4GHz (which most CATV splitters will not).
If you're saying something else, please explain further.

But to your first question...there are two different dixplexing kits for Sirius. One is for diplexing on CATV systems, and another is sold for diplexing on DBS systems.
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Old 01-12-2007, 07:37 AM   #19
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I don't understand the point of the part after "HOWEVER". If you're saying it's a problem, then it's:
- Something to do with the installation or a defective component
- Or there is a CATV amplifier between the Sirius antenna and the Sirius receiver,
- Or a CATV splitter between the Sirius antenna and receiver that won't pass ~2.4GHz (which most CATV splitters will not).
If you're saying something else, please explain further.

But to your first question...there are two different dixplexing kits for Sirius. One is for diplexing on CATV systems, and another is sold for diplexing on DBS systems.
Sorry for the confusion. I should say: "HOWEVER, This diplexing (of over th air TV channels and digital/analog cable" does not work due to interference between the OTA channels and the analog cable frequencies."

So, by you stating there are different diplexors for CATV and SATTV tells me they already thought of this and worked out solution, possibly modulating the sirius signal to an unused frequency band.
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Old 01-12-2007, 08:05 PM   #20
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Sorry for the confusion. I should say: "HOWEVER, This diplexing (of over th air TV channels and digital/analog cable" does not work due to interference between the OTA channels and the analog cable frequencies."

So, by you stating there are different diplexors for CATV and SATTV tells me they already thought of this and worked out solution, possibly modulating the sirius signal to an unused frequency band.
Still does not compute. And the reason for the diplexers is anything but what you said. I suspect there was a different issue at play which made it not work for you or whatever install you're talking about.
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The diplex units are not the same for cable and sat tv. One thing you are not considering here is the DC power being passed on all satellite systems, to power the Sirius antenna or sat tv LNB. Cable TV does not have power over the coax.

The frequencies, and bandwidth for sat tv are not the same as cable, and yes most cable providers still carry the air channels as is. You can multiplex an off air antenna with satellite TV as the satellite does not use the off the air frequency range at all.
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Although this is a nice write up I don't believe it is a typical usage pattern. I thought the main use of this would be to avoid having to run an extra line from the sirius antenna through the building. ie. the first splitter would be outside instead of inside.
bclbob,

You are correct in your assumption. But as I said in the original post, I already had two unused RG-6 cables on the roof in case I ever installed satellite TV. So I just used one of those. Also, my cable TV splitter is inside the house (basement).

If your cable TV spliiters are outside the house, you would not need to run a separate line to the inside of the house.
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Old 01-14-2007, 07:27 AM   #23
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Gizmo,

Yes you can. Just don't use the diplexers. Run the coax directly from your antenna to your receiver, and use the included SMB adapter to connect to the home dock.

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Gizmo,

I installed another one of these antennas in a second home this weekend. This time, I didn't use the included diplexers. Here's why...

When the house was built a few years ago, I ran extra RG-6 to the attic in case I installed satellite TV. Again, no use for the satellite TV yet, so I used one of the available cables. This cable goes from the attic to a central wiring panel. The CATV lines are in the same panel, and are connected to a amplified splitter.

When I initially installed the Sirius diplexers, I got no satellite signal on my radio. Apparently, there was a problem with combining the amplified CATV signal and the Sirius signal on the same cable.

Since I have an unused cable in the same room, which also goes to the wiring panel, I coupled the antenna cable to this room cable, and didn't need the diplexers. So essentially, it's a straight run from the antenna to the Sirius receiver.

Here's a picture of the antenna installation on the ridge of the house. I drilled a half inch hole through the facia, and snaked the cable through it from inside the attic. I then filled the gap around the cable in the hole with some caulk, and used a Feed-Thru Bushing to finish it off and make it weatherproof.

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Gizmo,

I installed another one of these antennas in a second home this weekend. This time, I didn't use the included diplexers. Here's why...

When the house was built a few years ago, I ran extra RG-6 to the attic in case I installed satellite TV. Again, no use for the satellite TV yet, so I used one of the available cables. This cable goes from the attic to a central wiring panel. The CATV lines are in the same panel, and are connected to a amplified splitter.

When I initially installed the Sirius diplexers, I got no satellite signal on my radio. Apparently, there was a problem with combining the amplified CATV signal and the Sirius signal on the same cable.

Since I have an unused cable in the same room, which also goes to the wiring panel, I coupled the antenna cable to this room cable, and didn't need the diplexers. So essentially, it's a straight run from the antenna to the Sirius receiver.

Here's a picture of the antenna installation on the ridge of the house. I drilled a half inch hole through the facia, and snaked the cable through it from inside the attic. I then filled the gap around the cable in the hole with some caulk, and used a Feed-Thru Bushing to finish it off and make it weatherproof.

Very, very nice install. Great workmanship! I've been thinking about the various posts about interference between CATV and Sirius when diplexing. I'm guessing there are some pretty strong CATV harmonics that are swamping the Sirius receiver. Fortunately, like you, I have extra unused RG-6 to the outside with no CATV or DBS on that.
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HomieG,

Thanks for the compliments. Whenever I run cable, I always run more than I think I will need. Cable's cheap. If you're pulling one cable, you might as well pull a few more. It's bailed me out a few times to have some extra. In frequently used rooms, such as LR's and FR's, I also run empty conduit to future-proof the rooms. Also, having a central wiring panel with home runs is a great thing!

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Hopefully someone will answer this before i go out and buy this and find that it doesn't work.

Ok, so i have 1 cable line running to the downstairs part of my home, and one running upstairs. The downstairs one runs into the wall where it goes into a 4 way splitter (3 to the LR, one to the downstairs BR which is hidden behind a blank wall plate) So I am only using 1 of the LR outlets for my TV, if I install this antenna and install the Diplexers as described in the first post, will it work for me? Or can I just use the first diplexer and attach the radio to one of the unused cable outlets in the LR without the second diplexer. Or will it not work at all for me becaus eof the 4-way splitter in the wall.

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Thats awesome!
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Would there be any interest in a write-up on the satellite version of the distribution kit?
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Would there be any interest in a write-up on the satellite version of the distribution kit?
That would be a great idea.
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I have been reading the many posts about CATV and DBS split signals with installs of the outdoor Sirius antennas. I must say that I am more than a little confused, but here is my situation and would greatly appreciate any help. Here is my scenario. I am a Directv user but also have an OTA set up completely separate from the sat-tv { no diplex`s etc.} My OTA is set up with a duel splitter that divides the upstairs TV and the family room TV down in the basement. My question could I get a triple style diplexer/splitter have the two OTA`s and the Sirius antenna all attached outside the house and use splitter from the inside connection to the TV {wall jack} and split the signal that way to both TV and sat-radio receiver. Right now my outside has 1 –in and 2-out jacks on the diplexer and I ran another splitter prior to the basement being finished to get an OTA signal down there. I now have no access to that one because of the construction/drywall etc.I hope I explained that easy enough for you to understand but my sat-lingo is not the best. Basically what I`m asking could one split an OTA only feed with a Sirius antenna and it would work if all it hooked up correctly or not be compatible at all. I did fail to mention my sat-antenna is the 5 lnb slimline version if that has any bearing on a alternative solution. Once again thanks in advance for any help with this matter.
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