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Old 12-01-2003, 05:45 PM   #1
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Ok, I'm a stinking Software Engineer, I can't believe that *THIS* is not clicking for me, but it ain't.

So , I have stored a few S-Seek selections. All of them are Talk Shows, which are shows I prefer.

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I NEVER EVER get allerted when these shows come on. I never get allerted when I turn my unit on and one of these shows is on. in short, it's a perfectly useless feature. It does NOTHING.

And I have checked, and all 3 selections have S-Seek turned on, and my Menu->Memory Options->Auto Memory Search is set to on.

And yet, I have never once, never not EVER seen that "SSeek Alert" screen, except for the B&W picture in my user's manual.

Am I missing something?

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I wonder if S-Seek is just for streams 1-100?
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I don't know Steve, I have only put one thing in (coast 2 coast) on HotJamz and I was alerted when I put my PNP2 on. Maybe something is wrong with your receiver.

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My 1st Audiovox PNP1 I saved Car Talk on NPR. And it never told me when the show was on. Hmmmm I thought it was just me.
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You can easily test if you have a problem with your PnP2, or if the SSeek feature only works mostly on songs and not talk shows- just change to Stream 001 and "memo" a few of the current Top-40 songs they play. Since the songs are in heavy rotation, they should reappear on the SSeek feature in an hour or two.
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Its been my experience that the S-Seek works on the music streams to alert you when one of your favorite tunes is playing. If you have the PNP2 and want to be alerted of a special program on the talk or other streams, then use the Program Alert feature. It has worked flawless for me on reminding me when certain shows are on that I don't want to miss.

I don't thing the song seek was designed for programs. Thus its called SONG seek. LOL
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I don't thing the song seek was designed for programs. Thus its called SONG seek. :) LOL
Heh. Well, true, but I guess it's my programming background messing with me. My logic is that the "title" and "artist" are stored as character strings. Then the unit does a quick scroll through the database of what's playing on every stream. If the "title" and "artist" matches, then an alert is displayed. I didn't realize the unit really knew the difference between the stream labeled as "Dave Ramsey", "Dave Ramsey" and the stream labeled "Hey Ya", "Outkast"

But regardless...I'll stick to the Program Alerts :)

Thanks for the tip.

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I didn't realize the unit really knew the difference between the stream labeled as "Dave Ramsey", "Dave Ramsey" and the stream labeled "Hey Ya", "Outkast"
Steve, I think what actually happens is that the S-Seek feature, only scans the music streams, thereby missing what is on the sports, entertainment and news streams. I understand your curiosity, I did the experiment myself, because I was curious and this is the conclusion I have drawn, rather its right or wrong. LOL
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If that is what's going on, I'm sure that, as a fellow software guy, olwizard shares my disappointment that the SSeek feature was not programmed to display a "Feature not avail. on this stream" message when you try to store a non-music program.
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If that is what's going on, I'm sure that, as a fellow software guy, olwizard shares my disappointment that the SSeek feature was not programmed to display a "Feature not avail. on this stream" message when you try to store a non-music program.
It is most definitely a sloppy implementation, no doubt.

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I think given that this version is much improved over the PNP1 version, its a progressive thing. Remember guys there is some sort of time table to get these things out on the shelves, they can do all those little tweaks later. The feature works as its advertised too and I think most of us are pretty darn happy with it. Technically its says its a song seek feature, not a program seek feature. I personally don't think the implementation is sloppy at all, but then I am just an end user who could care less about it saying this feature is not available. The guide clearly shows song seek feature and program alert feature.. two different animals. I would not expect the program alert to tell me when one of my favorite songs are on, why would you expect the song seek feature to tell you when one of your programs are on?
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I'm not expecting song seek to tell me when a program is on. But apparently you were, since as your own post says you experimented with it yourself. You're free to feel that this is not sloppy programming, but if so, I hope I never have to depend on something you programmed.

The issue isn't whether or not the PnP2 is better than the PnP1. The issue is the user presses the memo button, assuming that he'll be alerted when it is on next. In the absence of an error message, that's a fair presumption. But not only doesn't that ever happen, but one of the 20 SSeek slots is now taken up, even though it will never be used.

Pointing this out in a forum that is presumably intended for this very sort of discussion doesn't mean I want everyone to rush back to the store to demand refunds.
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But apparently you were, since as your own post says you experimented with it yourself. I hope I never have to depend on something you programmed.
You won't have to worry about that, I am not in programming and never will be, so you are safe. I was asked to see if it would do it by members of this forum, so I tried out of curiosity and it didn't work. I use it as it was intended end of the story....

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You make a good point, but with 19 other slots and the ability to quickly delete it once you realize it doesn't work, is it really that big of a deal? That is my point, but I see yours as well. I just don't take issue with it perhaps because I am not a programmer and simply an end user. Most of us end users find these little bugs and have to find a work around and in this case its called DELETE!! LOL Perhaps in the next version they will fix this, which is why I indicated the improvements made between the PNP1 and PNP2 versions. The PNP1 would notify you of a song, even if you were already on that stream, that one was thankfully fixed between PNP1 and PNP2. But you find me something that is perfect in everyway and once I see I'll believe it.

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Of course not and I don't think anything that you or I posted indicates such. Which is fortunate since I have done reviews on several of these products, which included negatives and positives. No use us going back and forth over it, I think we both made our points. I appreciate you posting yours.
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Yeah but what's interesting is that, when I point out things such as this, I can usually count on a post from you along the lines of "is it really that big of a deal?" or "GEEZ, I think we've got bigger fish to fry".

So while you say you "appreciate" my point of view, you certainly don't respect it.

If you really think about it, none of this is a "big deal". This is a discussion forum for a consumer entertainment product. I've participated in several web discussion forums on a variety of interests, and no where else can I recall encountering such dismissive attitudes.
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So while you say you "appreciate" my point of view, you certainly don't respect it.
Perry, I do appreciate your point of view, along with everyone else that post, but because I say this programming bug isnt' that big of a deal to me, that means I don't respect your view? Okay, if you say so.... I see no point in arguing with you about it, you seem to have your mind up. By the way, I seriously doubt that I've replied to everyone of your post, so lets clarify that right now.

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I not only participate in several, I own a few and I could say that I've never seen as many people complain about having their opinions challenged. Sometimes folks have to agree to disagree because their experiences are different and neither side is willing to give in to the others opinion. Also, if you really read through many of my post, you'll find I am not that dismissive, I'll lace SIRIUS up in a heart beat.
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