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Old 08-28-2005, 12:11 AM   #121
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aceman21, consider this a warning, but we don't deal with XM or their posters in this fashion on this forum. Many of us have both services and we just aren't going to tolerate it.

I have the Pioneer Airware and with the headphone/antenna setup I get very acceptable reception. Have you ever tried reception with an XM2GO tuner with the headphone/antenna setup?

No tuner is perfect or provides for perfect reception and if XM did anything wrong it was marketing this product without the headphone/antenna setup. If Sirius had a tuner that allowed for live reception it too would use the headphone/antenna setup.

I agree the S50 is a nice setup and I think it will find its place in the market. I totally love the look and that nice big color display. The decision I and others will have to make is if we are willing to go this route without live reception while on the go. In my opinon my Pioneer Airware has proven to me with the right antenna setup it works GREAT and would also work great for SIRIUS as well, this is why the Rego was going this route too. Live reception isn't going to be 100% but its not on the car or at home either for many people. It just has to be at an acceptable level.
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for any sirius fan who doesnt like this piece, keep in mind it could be worse. the no talent ass clowns opus and arnold could be on sirius and howard stern, the king of all media could have signed with brand x. beyond xm...Sirius!
Yea tell em Fred I love both services and I find Sirius Music programming to be better than XMs. Yet I love Opie and Anthony and I know I'm not the only one in this here prediciment. My dream Satellite Radio Company is Sirius Music with O&A and to be in the front running posistion, in terms of subscribers and technology.
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Like I said, "close" to $500 because you have to get the home kit, Manco. Most people interested in this recordable device want to record while the sleep so they have content in the morning. Sirius should include the HOME kit and let you buy the car kit if you want to listen in the CAR. Bad move.

Yes, it will come down in price, but like the MSRP of the ReGo, it is too high for this industry.
I see I need to repeat myself.

You should be able to order the unit online for 25% or more off the MSRP. Which means you'll be able to get the S50 AND home kit for under 400 SHIPPED.

That's NOT too high. The majority of Sirius subscribers are baby boomers who've got PLENTY of money, and don't give a rip about live content like Howard Stern.

What XM doesn't tell you is that a significant number of MyFi's and XM2Go units have been returned since they went on the market, because the reception STINKS in many areas, indoors AND out.

The antenna headphones have made an improvement, but reception can still be troublesome, especially indoors. Plus the antenna headphones are larger, heavier and klunkier than the standard ear buds. So it is STILL a compromise.

Sirius wisely chose to offer a unit that allows people not to have to worry about reception problems. Reception on the go won't be a problem, because people will be listening to previously downloaded material. So I don't see many of these units being returned, which will make EVERYBODY happy--buyer, dealer, manufacturer and Sirius.

Sales of the S50 aren't going to take the world by storm, but I see this unit selling reasonably well. There are tens of thousands of current and potential subscribers who aren't even slightly interested in Howard Stern and other live talk shows and programming. I predict the S50 will sell very respectably among these people.

And don't think the S50 is being offered in lieu of a portable "live" receiver. Sirius and some of their hardware partners have every intention of offering such units in the near future. So if the S50 doesn't float your boat, wait on one of these other units, some of which should be out in the next few months.
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But if you want to listen live, it's not superior. That is the point. If listeniing to live broadcasts -- being able to change stations -- is important, then the S50 is not for you. If live reception is NOT important, then it is. The price point is absurd -- close to $500 for the unit, home and car kits? Big mistake.
I never said it was for everybody. But there are TENS OF THOUSANDS of current and potential subscribers who could care less about live broadcasts, who will really like this unit.

If you're not interested in the unit, fine. But QUIT trashing it! FIFTY hours of stored music beats the heck out of five, 24/7/365!
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Renaissance Man, everyone has a right to their opinion including those that have opposing views. Because some one is sizing this unit up based on their expectations and desires doesn't mean they are trashing it, they are simply sharing their excitment or disapointment depending on which side they fall.

I disagree that most people don't care about live reception. But what is your source to support your claim that there are tens of thousand of subscribers or potential subscribers that don't care about live reception. Spending $359.00 for a "Satellite Radio", with no expectation for live reception? I think not, but I could agree that there are many that will settle for a solution that doesn't offer live reception on the go, but we shall see. I think the the proof will be in the sales of these units. It is a great start but ultimately they will have to provide a portable that allows for live reception.

Also this stuff that returns are off the chart on the XM2GO tuners , just is not true. I have asked many folks that keep saying this to provide me where they are getting there info for all these returns and I yet to have anyone provide it. I am sure there have been returns and the reason given was reception, but the fact is had these units been packaged with the headphone/antenna setup some that returned them wouldn't have. The key is to have a great out of the box experience and that is where XM failed initially.

I use my Pioneer Airware as a portable taking it boating, out on the beach, for walks etc and I rarely get drop-outs with this headphone/antenna setup. Reception isn't perfect, but its not perfect in vehicles either, you will always have some drop-outs, but the key is making it acceptable. I find the drop-outs I get now with this setup is very acceptable. There will be some that don't want to have to wear headphones, but currently that is the best solution for live reception. I never expected to sit on my couch and listen to live reception because I understand the way sat radio works. Look how many people buy boomboxes assuming they will be able to use them anywhere in their homes and that isn't possible either. Many of those get returned too and many home kits for Sirius get returned because of the difficulty to get indoor reception You don't have to be very smart to figure that portables would be no different.

The S50 I think will do okay, but there ARE people out there that expected and wanted a portable that was able to get live reception. Why folks find it necessary to give these folks a hard time for sharing their opinions and feelings on the S50 and how they are disappointed is just crazy to me.

XM raised the bar high with the XM2GO product line and the fact is though Sirius will have a recordable portable eventually, they still won't have a solution for offering folks like myself that want to be able to sit on the beach or out by the pool with a portable unit and listen to live talk or sports programming. Sure I can lug a boombox and PNP, but want a true portable.

The S50 for what it is will be GREAT! I will be curious to see how much traction in the market place that it really gets considering that it will not provide for live reception. We'll certainly see once this thing hits the store shelves. I think the sleek look and nice big display do make it very attractive. I hope their projected October period turns out to be more accurate than other dates they have provided in the past for other products. I can certainly see the value in this product once you get beyond it not being able to receive live reception and I don't just view it as a MP3 player as some have stated.
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Renaissance Man, everyone has a right to their opinion including those that have opposing views. Because some one is sizing this unit up based on their expectations and desires doesn't mean they are trashing it, they are simply sharing their excitment or disapointment depending on which side they fall.
I'm patiently waiting for you to show me exactly where I stated that he didn't have a right to his opinion or opposing view.
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To me, the biggest issue is that the "receiver" is not a separate unit. So now, I would need 2 radios at home. One to load my S50 and another for the house while I have the S50 out for the day because the tuner is useless without the S50 and the S50 gets no content with the tuner! They could have made a "matching" PNP for the S50 so that you would not be losing any capabilities and wouldn't have to pay for an extra receiver.
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Sirius Now said: "Elton John inside his mansion... Yeah OK
Elton John holding it in portable mode in the back of his Limo! Not happening

Baseball fans inside an airport. Again I say not happening. "

I beg to differ -- there are plenty of folks who live in repeater areas who can receive in their homes and cars with the built in antenna (NYC, DC, etc.). Also, I know of folks who have used theirs in such cities AND airports and they get reception. The MyFi certainly isn't perfect and it certainly cannot get live reception EVERYWHERE. But, if you listen to the recorded portions from the MyFI, then YES, you can listen to XM anywhere. In terms of advertising, I do not think it is false. Much of the advertising world create ads that may lead you to wrong conclusions -- some of these cross the line, but everyone does it. No matter, XM has a portable device that can get live reception and Sirius does not. To some, that may be the deciding factor. A year from now (hopefully) Sirius will have a decent live wearable and it will all be moot.
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Nice bells and whistles, but still not a Walkman/MyFi type radio. Unfortunately, this looks like a profound waste of time.

I want to listen to Howard and LOC live on the train and walking to work, like millions of his fans do. I drive for only a small fraction of my 2 hour commute, and don't want to only listen to recorded material

When will there be a fully functional, small, walkman that can actually receive a decent live signal? That's what we need, at an affordable price.

I like my Xact Pod, but it is not practical. This is yet another cruel joke.
See that's my point, Do you really think that you are going to get a good signal on a train with ANY DSR setup. And bye the way I think many more millions of HS fans listen to him either at work, in the car or at home than does taking the train or walking to work. As usual just my .01.
I am able to use by Xact POD on the LIRR for over 90 minutes of my commute, each way, if I can sit at window that faces north or west, and see no reason why Sirius cannot aspire to offer it services wherever a window is near.

The repeaters in Manhattan allow me to use my POD anywhere outside or reasonably near a window.

They should put repeaters near trains and in the subways, where millions of people ride each day. Chicago too.

This is a very big market.

Since Howard show starts at 6am, if you had to wait until you reached work, most would only be able to listen to the last hour of the show at best. Not what we would prefer.

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The biggest point has completely been ignored-

You still need an external battery pack, so to listen 'on the go' you need 3 things plugged into it- Battery, antenna, and headphones. If you want to look like a Borg, be my guest.

I have a MyFi and I get live reception in my gym without repeaters in my area.

My friends are amazed when I take a MyFi into their house, stand it up without ANY external wires and they are listening to Satellite radio on their home stereo via the Fm Modulator.

When Sirius comes out with a product that can do this, then MAYBE they will catch up. Of course by then XM will have a fully portable Reciever/MP3 player with full editing functions. XM made a deal with Napster and will be releasing this for xmas, while Sirius acknowledges that they are a full year from releasing a true portable unit.

And about the Satellite issue-

XMs stationary satellites are powerful enough to throw a strong consistent signal over the whole continental US. If you read comparisons there are far fewer dropouts than with the Sirius 'constantly moving around because they have a weaker signal' sats. XM has more repeaters in major markets. XM has the more reliable signal, that is why the US military has signed up with XM for emergency internal broadcasts and communications.
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XMs stationary satellites are powerful enough to throw a strong consistent signal over the whole continental US. If you read comparisons there are far fewer dropouts than with the Sirius 'constantly moving around because they have a weaker signal' sats. XM has more repeaters in major markets. XM has the more reliable signal, that is why the US military has signed up with XM for emergency internal broadcasts and communications.
XM for the Military is all about politics - or have your fogotten that XM's HQ is in DC?

Anyways, drop outs and coverage is not black and white, it is very subjective. I get MUCH better reception with SIRIUS over XM in the moutains because the SIRIUS Sats are higher. At home, I can't even get an XM signal in the house (I have to use a repeater). But I know that XM works generally better in the house, but BOTH services have problems with indoor reception - even though XM and SIRIUS both have repeaters in major markets.
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The biggest point has completely been ignored-

You still need an external battery pack, so to listen 'on the go' you need 3 things plugged into it- Battery, antenna, and headphones. If you want to look like a Borg, be my guest.

I have a MyFi and I get live reception in my gym without repeaters in my area.

My friends are amazed when I take a MyFi into their house, stand it up without ANY external wires and they are listening to Satellite radio on their home stereo via the Fm Modulator.

When Sirius comes out with a product that can do this, then MAYBE they will catch up. Of course by then XM will have a fully portable Reciever/MP3 player with full editing functions. XM made a deal with Napster and will be releasing this for xmas, while Sirius acknowledges that they are a full year from releasing a true portable unit.

And about the Satellite issue-

XMs stationary satellites are powerful enough to throw a strong consistent signal over the whole continental US. If you read comparisons there are far fewer dropouts than with the Sirius 'constantly moving around because they have a weaker signal' sats. XM has more repeaters in major markets. XM has the more reliable signal, that is why the US military has signed up with XM for emergency internal broadcasts and communications.
While I'm disappointed that it does not have live sat receptions, all indications are that the battery is INTERNAL, not a strap on like the ReGo. Without having to power the sat chip, and with most of the sat electronics in the docks (my guess), there is plenty of room for a small battery.
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I think this little unit is just what I need. I do a lot of field work and involves a lot of driving. So listening to it in the car live is good.

Get done in the field and have to come inside to the office to do the mounds of paperwork this baby will come in very handy with either my mp3s or recorded content. There are no repeaters in my area so no listen live is no biggy here as I don't forsee a repeater being put up in my area for a long long time.

My biggest concern is scratching it. I currently carry my Clarion pnp with me everywhere and the face plate is marked up pretty good when you look closely at it.

While I would like it to be a true live portable it really isn't that big of a deal to me. I came to Sirius cause of Air America, but when that left I am listening to the music channels more now than talk radio.

Just my 2 cents...
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The biggest point has completely been ignored-

You still need an external battery pack, so to listen 'on the go' you need 3 things plugged into it- Battery, antenna, and headphones. If you want to look like a Borg, be my guest.

I have a MyFi and I get live reception in my gym without repeaters in my area.

My friends are amazed when I take a MyFi into their house, stand it up without ANY external wires and they are listening to Satellite radio on their home stereo via the Fm Modulator.

When Sirius comes out with a product that can do this, then MAYBE they will catch up. Of course by then XM will have a fully portable Reciever/MP3 player with full editing functions. XM made a deal with Napster and will be releasing this for xmas, while Sirius acknowledges that they are a full year from releasing a true portable unit.

And about the Satellite issue-

XMs stationary satellites are powerful enough to throw a strong consistent signal over the whole continental US. If you read comparisons there are far fewer dropouts than with the Sirius 'constantly moving around because they have a weaker signal' sats. XM has more repeaters in major markets. XM has the more reliable signal, that is why the US military has signed up with XM for emergency internal broadcasts and communications.


What crack pipe are you smoking saying you get reception in your gym with no repeaters in the area. Are you exercising in the window the whole time to show off your shiny toy? Have you not read the huge amount of post on your on boards complaining about reception with it? Here is an easy one. Show me a Myfi review (and there are lots of those) that somebody did and NOT have reception issues.

Look for the 1000 time the Myfi is a very nice DSR unit no doubt. And it would be great if Sirius had one. But it is not the end all, DSR for anybody and everybody in one box. And the S50 certainly is not either (even less so). If that were the case all XM subs would be buying the Myfi and nothing else. For awhile it was there best selling unit. And a majority of the Myfi sales were from people that had been waiting for a portable "listen Live" piece. Most of the Myfi owners are happy with there choice and either get a satisfactory signal or find that it is not that important to them. But some are not. This is either from a misunderstanding of how DSR works and it's inherent limitations or or the belief that XM's large (about 10 times larger than the dog's) repeater coverage. I mean both DSR services tell you with a home kit you should have your antenna in a window facing a certain direction. So what now all of the sudden this is not the case? I can just stick a DSR antenna anywhere under a structure and it is suddenly going to work? I think not. This is not XM's fault at all. They have produced a unit that will a large majority of the time work when outside and when the signal is obstructed can either listen to "recorded" ( I mean even the Elton John commercial showed he was listening to recorded content on the display when he was in his house) content or place an antenna where it can recieve signal. Xm's signal is better suited for this "listen live" approach because of the repeaters. Without them they would be in the same boat or worse than Sirius. Allot of folks are waiting for a "listen live" device like the Myfi from Sirius. The S50 is not it. But it will allow people to listen to live DSR signal in there home or car (between the 2 is where the majority of folks spend their time) and they can record Sirius/MP3's or use a boombox the rest of the time. The funny thing is I believe that even if you did have a "listen live" capability with the S50 the Starmate R would still be the big seller just like the Myfi is not XM's biggest seller. So listening to a live DSR stream while mowing the yard is great it is not as huge as some people think. I think.
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What crack pipe are you smoking saying you get reception in your gym with no repeaters in the area. Are you exercising in the window the whole time to show off your shiny toy? Have you not read the huge amount of post on your on boards complaining about reception with it? Here is an easy one. Show me a Myfi review (and there are lots of those) that somebody did and NOT have reception issues.
This person is sharing their experience, so lets quit with the stupid crack pipe comments. I recently took a trip with some friends and was able to get decent reception inside the automobile with no problem. I have also found in some building that I can get reception though its not as good as having it sitting in the cradle. Why do you find it necessary to assume that everyone is some how lying?

You keep bringing up these reviews. How many of those reviews are actually using the headphone/antenna setup? Most of those reviews are using just the built in antenna only? Do you think if Sirius had a tuner that would provide live broadcast that it would be any different? It too as incidcated by the Rego (now known as the ReNoShow) was going to ship with headphone/antenna setup because they understand getting live reception required this type setup. The mistake XM made was not inlcuding those headphone/antenna in the package, but they are fixing this now.

Its just like the reviews of Sirius equipment that catgorized them as huge, those things still pop up and are sited as fact even today though we know that is no longer true.

Have you ever used the Myfi with the headphone/antenna setup or you just like repeating information that you know full well there is a solution for? There are those that have a bigger problem with the solution than they do the problem itself.

I don't think anyone is saying the S50 isn't a nice looking product or that it doesn't have its place. We are simply saying we would like to have seen them with a portable product that allowed for live reception. Sirius opted to go a different route and that is okay too. Those that don't think this product will do for them what they need will simply not buy it. Those that feel they can live without the live reception may buy it.

Please quit trying to tell people what their experiences are based on yours and allow them to share their experiences as it relates to their use. Your experience certainly doesn't mirror mine, but that doesn't mean your on a crack pipe or trying to show off.
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