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Old 12-18-2006, 06:24 PM   #1
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So what is Sirius going to do when they get over half the recievers returned that were bought as Christmas gifts because people do not have the time/energy for a pro install and the FM modulators are so weak the signal sucks? This is why some used SV1s are selling on eBay for more than new ones.

My SV1 tanked so I bought a Stratus. Nice looking radio but now my signal is scratchy. I am calling a custom pro installer tomorrow but many will not have the patience for this. Or, they will be unwilling to spare the expense. Solution? Sirius needs to pay for all/part of the installation 100% of the time and require 1-2 year subscriptions to recoup the cost.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:53 PM   #2
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your crazy, plugging a wired fm mod into the back of your radio is incredibly easy. And not only that, many new cars come with an aux plug.
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Old 12-19-2006, 02:39 AM   #3
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your crazy, plugging a wired fm mod into the back of your radio is incredibly easy. And not only that, many new cars come with an aux plug.
Agreed...it could not be easier... imo if people are still using the wireless fm feature on their radios they are not getting the FULL satrad experience.
You can buy a wired fm trans for about 15.00 and if you really don't want to wire it up willy then you can buy the short little piece that came with the original sirius radios for like $5....these work fine too. Imo pro installs are not neccesary.
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Old 12-19-2006, 08:10 AM   #4
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I had no problem installing an FM modulator in either of my cars...but I am pretty handy, too...I have installed my fair share of car stereos in my day.

I would say that my wife, MY father and 3 of my 4 siblings would be confused as to how to remove the car radio from the dash...probably typical. Most people think that tearing into their dash is rocket science...and for some people it might as well be.

Paying for Best Buy or similar to install the unit is an option...but you couldn't beat the old receivers with the strong internal modulators...anyone can plug in a cig adapter, slap the antenna on the dash or the roof and mount a suction cup to the windshield...easy for anyone.

Remember, most of us here on this board are pretty adept with this technology and also the installs, not everyone has the expertise or wants to spend an afternoon (which is what it takes for someone with no technical know how) taking a radio out of the dash.
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I had no problem installing an FM modulator in either of my cars...but I am pretty handy, too...I have installed my fair share of car stereos in my day.

I would say that my wife, MY father and 3 of my 4 siblings would be confused as to how to remove the car radio from the dash...probably typical. Most people think that tearing into their dash is rocket science...and for some people it might as well be.

Paying for Best Buy or similar to install the unit is an option...but you couldn't beat the old receivers with the strong internal modulators...anyone can plug in a cig adapter, slap the antenna on the dash or the roof and mount a suction cup to the windshield...easy for anyone.

Remember, most of us here on this board are pretty adept with this technology and also the installs, not everyone has the expertise or wants to spend an afternoon (which is what it takes for someone with no technical know how) taking a radio out of the dash.
I can see your point about people who may not be "handy" I would add that I am giving two recievers for christmas this year and I will be installing them for them. I would also add that IMO the reason that the fcc is involved in the satrad industry(regulating) wirless fm tran is because these recievers are not hardwired I think there should be no wirless signal at all....let the fcc go do something else and have the satrad industry stand on its own two legs....just my opinion.
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Old 12-19-2006, 09:33 AM   #6
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This is almost as pathetic as complaining about buying batteries or plugging something into the wall.

What are you looking for in terms of NOT makeing an effort? Throwing the box in the trunk and be done with it?
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and, look at all the people who pay to have head units installed in their cars. Whats the difference.
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So what is Sirius going to do when they get over half the recievers returned that were bought as Christmas gifts because people do not have the time/energy for a pro install and the FM modulators are so weak the signal sucks?
If you use the (admittedly somewhat dorky looking) "antenna wire" and position it as indicated in the manuals, almost all cars get a good signal.

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Sirius needs to pay for all/part of the installation 100% of the time and require 1-2 year subscriptions to recoup the cost.
I'm sure that the bean counters at Sirius could make a case that *requiring* a 1 or 2 year subscription would decimate their sales. On the other hand, having a *promotion* where you got a "free" install if you signed up for 1 or 2 years might work.
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IT must be a NIGHTMARE everytime you car starts to run out of gas. The hassle of the refill AND HAVING TO PAY FOR THE GAS is just outrageous. They charge $30K for a car and it doesn't even have enough gas to make it a week.

Is there a complaint department I can be directed to?

(peoples is some lazy bums)
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Easy? Depends what you're driving.

Two pro installers refused to work on my car saying it would be WAY too complicated a job. I even offered a custom car stereo shop (with Sirius banners flapping outside in the wind) an extra $100 cash to do the job and they said "no way."

It took me 1 hr 15 mins and I've never removed a stereo in my life. You don't just yank out the head unit and plug in the FM modulator in an '03 Saab 9-3 convertible. Doesn't work that way. An hour of that time was spent removing an interior panel and the glove box so I could route the cable--no other way to get at it. Nobody makes a modulator adapter for Saab either so I had to make a VW one work.

Most of these installers are just punks who think they're hot shit because they can install a car stereo and subwoofer in a Chevy Cavalier (which will take them all day). Drive in with anything other than an 8 year old Chevy or Dodge and all of sudden they are not pros after all, just punks. They even turned away an '02 Lincoln Navigator too--wow. Hundreds of dollars in business flying out the door...
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Using "other" adpaters is quite common, I wouldn't worry about "making" a VW/Audi one "work". I have to often find Toyota parts to use on my wife's Lexus when we tinker with the audio/nav stuff.

Here was a link on just that sort of discussion:
http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum...d.php?p=667823

The link for the adapters in that post:

http://www.tss-radio.com/volkswagena...er-p-4086.html

...actually lists most late model Saabs, BMW, some Buicks, even some Cadillacs. So it's not like it wasn't intended for your model just because it's called a VW/Audi adapter.

An hour and 15 minutes for the install? Doesn't sound that bad to me. Took me almost that long to route the antenna wire from my rooftop (Chevy Colorado) through the headliner, down the C-pillar, under the sills at the door bottoms and up into my Sportster 4 at my console. No to mention that I had to be careful not to screwup the 4x4 buttons on the section of dash I had to remove to get at my head unit so I could plug in the FM modulator relay, which required its own special set of adapters since most GMs, your Saab included, don't seem to like regular Motorola F connectors.
But at least I have XM and Sirius both in my truck now...lol

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please. BACK IN MY DAY we needed an AM RELAY to get FM on our radios.
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please. BACK IN MY DAY we needed an AM RELAY to get FM on our radios.
*off topic*woah...now that must've caused a MASSIVE sound quality drop!
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How can you lose sound quality in a car with one AM dash speaker?

And since when was there ever PLUG AND PLAY????? Plug and Play has been around since Windows 95 and it still doesn't work correctly 12years later.

Never existed IMO.
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Go easy on 'em Rusty. Some just want what they shouldn't have.
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