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Old 01-06-2007, 11:34 AM   #16
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Did you read what I said? My god I had it sitting on my 1000.00 HOME receiver's antenna and got static. HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOO.
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Do you have it set to the same station that your radio is on? I used my stiletto dock in the car for the first few weeks I had it.. got decent fm reception, unless I went to a different town. The amount of times you have to change the channel depends on the amount of strong stations in your area.. I got lucky. you may live in a city, or near one. (I live between two, but as I said, got lucky). I no longer use the fm though because I got the direct fm connection. It is frick'n great, and only cost me about40 bucks... if you have thousand dollar stereo equipment, why not spend the 40 (or 80 for two cars) and end up with great reception. Heck, you can even plug in ipod (or whatever other overhyped pos you have) in. with the connection, I have driven through eight states without changing channels.
everyone here seems to know that fm sucks, we deal with it and move on.
other people need to take a hint


and if you do want to use it anywhere, buy one of those higher power fm modulators that have been mentioned on these boards... sounds like 90 bucks and you can listen from a mile away through fm.

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Old 01-06-2007, 11:48 AM   #17
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There is something very wrong with this and I am very close to killing my account, selling all three of my radios and going to XM.
Sorry, XM radios have the same limitations with the FM mods though. I hear you though, I bought a stiletto, and I had to WRAP the antenna from my alarm clock around its home dock to get a reliable signal. The funny thing? It's sitting LESS THAN A FOOT AWAY from the clock.
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Old 01-06-2007, 11:53 AM   #18
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My main reason for my frustration is the subhorrible state of Sirius customer service. If ONE of their people would say I am sorry, I understand, lets see what can be done etc. that would go a long way to make it better, instead they are like did you turn on the FM transmitter? is it on the same station, etc. when I say yes, of course they say in effect "suck it up"
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And yet, the output experienced from the Sirius receiver is still infinitely more than from my far more expensive iPod. Funny. To get it patched into my car stereo system required either an aftermarket FM modulator or a direct connect. And it never occurred to me to bitch that Apple should have taken care of my need to get signal. The wrong turn that both Sirius and XM made was attempting to bridge the gap in the first place. So you have maybe a minor point in your favor in that they tout the internal FM modulator a "useful" It isn't, but the fault lies with the FCC. And anyone with a $1000 receiver sitting in the house, who wouldn't use a direct patch cord for reception over FM modulation has other issues. So, my advice, is to get onto ebay and pick up a wired FM modulator, and for a lot less than $50 you will be set. Or better yet, your car stereo probably has a way to direct connect into the HU, either RCA jacks or a aux CD changer input. Your reception will be better, although you will be set back maybe $75 or so. It's what I did. And there are threads here and at the XM sites that will walk you through the entire process. The folks here are happy to help get you squared away.

As for your experience with Sirius customer service, I'm afraid that it is a rather old story. Yes, they do suck. Greatly so. That is why most of us stumbled in here for help initially. And we got all the information and assistance that was needed.

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Obviously I am patched into the AVR 635 with a very nice monster cable, I wish the home dock offered an optical output but that is ok. I only tried it through the FM in the house to verify my theory that it had very very very low output.

I have since added an aux in to the BMW convertible and my Wife's LX470, my 94 Land Cruiser already had it. My main point is was and has always been that they (A) claim it works out of the box, (B) that their cs is worse than abysmal and (C) that the newer units need to be marketed as being different than their pre FCC nutered siblings.

As I have stated repeatedly previously my two Kenwood here to whichevers work great through their FM transmitters literally up to three carlengths away which I found out accidentally when I rented a car and was following my Wife who was in my car which had the Here to everywhere on in it.
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Maybe it's your car manufacturer's fault for not providing the appropriate aux ports for satellite radio?

SOME cars have them. Why not yours? Why is it Sirius' fault when YOU don't have what's needed to get their product working?

Oh that's right, all cars are like computers, 100% compatible. Better throw away that metric wrench set.
But the point is that Sirius is passing these products off as "plug and play", yet with my starmate for example, after moving it from one car to another, maybe once a week, the audio out connector broke. I move iPod around constantly and the connection never breaks? Why is Sirius acting like these devices are plug and play when they aren't?

It may be the FCC's fault about the transmitters, but why isn't Sirius advertising the fact that the FM transmitters are crap?

I imagine everyone isn't going to get a completely new stereo with an audio in jack just for Sirius, and not everyone can afford to be buying new accessories every time the receiver craps out.

Sirius is going to go down the toilet if they don't shape up their products and customer service.
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....But the point is that Sirius is passing these products off as "plug and play"


Show me ONE AD that claims this and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but not even. PLUG AND PLAY is a joke and NOTHING is plug and play 12years after the term was coined by Windows 95.

"It may be the FCC's fault about the transmitters, but why isn't Sirius advertising the fact that the FM transmitters are crap? "

The same reason you do not work for a marketing firm. Nonsense statement. Nonsense to even think that. THE PROBLEM IS that FM transmitter is ASS BASIC. Just like the crap wires that come with your $1000 receivers, you need to buy the $100 aftermarket ones if you are interested in taking FULL advantage of what the product has to offer.

NOTHING comes with what you absolutely need. I don't know why this surprises everyone.

How many games come with PS3 for $600? None. How many HD wires come with a PS3 seeing it's main attraction is HD graphics. NONE AGAIN.
No DVDs with a DVD player. No music with an IPOD purchase.

Wake up and learn to play the game like the rest of us. You are 10years behind.
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....But the point is that Sirius is passing these products off as "plug and play"


Show me ONE AD that claims this and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but not even. PLUG AND PLAY is a joke and NOTHING is plug and play 12years after the term was coined by Windows 95.

"It may be the FCC's fault about the transmitters, but why isn't Sirius advertising the fact that the FM transmitters are crap? "

The same reason you do not work for a marketing firm. Nonsense statement. Nonsense to even think that. THE PROBLEM IS that FM transmitter is ASS BASIC. Just like the crap wires that come with your $1000 receivers, you need to buy the $100 aftermarket ones if you are interested in taking FULL advantage of what the product has to offer.

NOTHING comes with what you absolutely need. I don't know why this surprises everyone.

How many games come with PS3 for $600? None. How many HD wires come with a PS3 seeing it's main attraction is HD graphics. NONE AGAIN.
No DVDs with a DVD player. No music with an IPOD purchase.

Wake up and learn to play the game like the rest of us. You are 10years behind.

** Built-in wireless FM modulator**

What wires are necessary foir this feature??????

Why would a consumer need to believe any additional accessories would be necessary to use this feature?

Again I ask, how long have you been a mindless drone for Sirius?
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I hope everyone reading is having as good a time with this nonsense as I am.

Man, you are posting NONSENSE.
NO WHERE in that print does it say YOU WILL ENJOY CRYSTAL CLEAR FM RECEPTION FROM THIS BUILT IN FM MODULATOR.

What it reads to ME is YOU CAN USE THIS WITH THE FM BROADCASTER UNTIL YOU GET OFF YOUR ASS, LOOK UP IF YOUR DELCO CAN HANDLE DIRECT WIRING AND WHA- LA.

I have ZERO PROBLEMS with my BUILT IN WIRELESS FM MODULATORS. It's there. It works. Because you choose to live in a world of MARKETING=REALITY you will continue to be BAFFLED by the way things just DO NOT WORK without at least 1% effort on the user's part.
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I am enjoying your mindless buffoonary. Where did I or anyone say anything about crystal clear signal? There is no usable reception from the current FM output of my unit.

Get off my ass? Can you read? I have fully installed aux in on all of my vehicles. From the standpoint of crystal reception no compressed medium offers that. We are already accepting degraded sound as a condition of subscribing but you knew that.

** Built-in wireless FM modulator**

** Built-in wireless FM modulator**

** Built-in wireless FM modulator**

** Built-in wireless FM modulator**

It says this but does not say WARNING THE FCC HAS REGULATED US TO A POINT WHERE THE ** Built-in wireless FM modulator** IS WORTHLESS

This needs saying as your average consumer has a right to believe that within a reasonable distance from an average FM receiver usable reception would be available. No matter how close the S50 is to the receiver it has unusable performance.
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Don't get too upset with RustyTrombone (great troll name, by the way.)

Rusty, or someone like him, will intrude into any and every Sirius Backstage discussion which actually dares to point out the flaws in the Sirius service. No matter what excellent point you bring up to show where Sirius is lacking, someone like Rusty will jump in with silly counterpoints and plenty of personal insults.

I'm not sure if the likes of RustyTrombone are just trolling, or if they're really trying to defend Sirius.

Anyway, it's pretty obvious that Sirius has a marketing message that basically says, "plug it in, and play music."

What they don't tell you is that for most consumers, it's not as simple as just plugging the unit it in and playing music. Most (but certainly not all) consumers will need to have a professional install Sirius in their car if they want to hear quality sound.

What Sirius also doesn't tell you is that the only way to get a clear, consistent signal at home is to have your antennta outside, pointing straight up into a clear sky.

So if you're a 60-year-old lady wanting to listen to Oprah, get ready to get up on your wet, icy roof in January and install that antenna. Either that, or again, pay a professional. I didnt' see that part in any of the slick marketing materials.

Sirius is pretending to be Plug and Play, and for many people Sirius really is that easy. But for so many others, installing Sirius is only a little less complicated than installing a TV satellite dish.

I have no problem with the reality of all that. I just have a problem with Sirius engaging in false advertising and misleading marketing. It will catch up with them in the end.
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Don't get too upset with RustyTrombone (great troll name, by the way.)

Rusty, or someone like him, will intrude into any and every Sirius Backstage discussion which actually dares to point out the flaws in the Sirius service. No matter what excellent point you bring up to show where Sirius is lacking, someone like Rusty will jump in with silly counterpoints and plenty of personal insults.

I'm not sure if the likes of RustyTrombone are just trolling, or if they're really trying to defend Sirius.

Anyway, it's pretty obvious that Sirius has a marketing message that basically says, "plug it in, and play music."

What they don't tell you is that for most consumers, it's not as simple as just plugging the unit it in and playing music. Most (but certainly not all) consumers will need to have a professional install Sirius in their car if they want to hear quality sound.

What Sirius also doesn't tell you is that the only way to get a clear, consistent signal at home is to have your antennta outside, pointing straight up into a clear sky.

So if you're a 60-year-old lady wanting to listen to Oprah, get ready to get up on your wet, icy roof in January and install that antenna. Either that, or again, pay a professional. I didnt' see that part in any of the slick marketing materials.

Sirius is pretending to be Plug and Play, and for many people Sirius really is that easy. But for so many others, installing Sirius is only a little less complicated than installing a TV satellite dish.

I have no problem with the reality of all that. I just have a problem with Sirius engaging in false advertising and misleading marketing. It will catch up with them in the end.
Thank you.

This is what I am saying, and btw I can and have installed several DTV satellite dishes including a 10 footer on my house 700 miles south of Laredo, TX. In Mexico. I have no problem as rusty has so tactfully put it "getting off my ass"
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....But the point is that Sirius is passing these products off as "plug and play"


Show me ONE AD that claims this and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but not even. PLUG AND PLAY is a joke and NOTHING is plug and play 12years after the term was coined by Windows 95.

"It may be the FCC's fault about the transmitters, but why isn't Sirius advertising the fact that the FM transmitters are crap? "

The same reason you do not work for a marketing firm. Nonsense statement. Nonsense to even think that. THE PROBLEM IS that FM transmitter is ASS BASIC. Just like the crap wires that come with your $1000 receivers, you need to buy the $100 aftermarket ones if you are interested in taking FULL advantage of what the product has to offer.

NOTHING comes with what you absolutely need. I don't know why this surprises everyone.

How many games come with PS3 for $600? None. How many HD wires come with a PS3 seeing it's main attraction is HD graphics. NONE AGAIN.
No DVDs with a DVD player. No music with an IPOD purchase.

Wake up and learn to play the game like the rest of us. You are 10years behind.
What's with your friggin attitude dude? You are a cranky one aren't you? Jumping down everyone's throat, apparently you never learned how to have an adult conversation.

I'd like you to tell me with a straight face that Sirius's customer service is anything less than crap? Maybe your lucky, and your radio has never broke, but riddle me this - if something is advertised as being able to be transported between home and car, car and work - then why shouldn't one expect it to work for at least a year or so - mine didn't. I didn't even move it that much.

Seriously though - are you a Sirius employee or something? I could understand the defense then, but give me a break. They could try being upfront and telling people - the FM transmitter isn't going to work that well, unless you spend more money to have it hard wired - or in my case - I have a company care that I CANNOT hardwire - so I guess I'm SOL. Or I guess I am just ten years behind.

Let me go hold my rabbit ears out the window so that I can get a better signal on my 1962 black and white TV.

Boy you sure are a bright and friendly person. Have a happy new year.

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I hope everyone reading is having as good a time with this nonsense as I am.

Man, you are posting NONSENSE.
NO WHERE in that print does it say YOU WILL ENJOY CRYSTAL CLEAR FM RECEPTION FROM THIS BUILT IN FM MODULATOR.

What it reads to ME is YOU CAN USE THIS WITH THE FM BROADCASTER UNTIL YOU GET OFF YOUR ASS, LOOK UP IF YOUR DELCO CAN HANDLE DIRECT WIRING AND WHA- LA.

I have ZERO PROBLEMS with my BUILT IN WIRELESS FM MODULATORS. It's there. It works. Because you choose to live in a world of MARKETING=REALITY you will continue to be BAFFLED by the way things just DO NOT WORK without at least 1% effort on the user's part.
Gee, expecting someone to advertise the truth, silly us? I guess your right, because the most corporations are run by greedy, lying, jerks who like to trick people with false advertising - then we should just accept it as the way things are. Give me a break.

Are you sure you aren't Sal the Stock Broker, or anyone that works for Sirius? I can't imagine anyone but a Sirius employee, or someone living in a box to be this blind.
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