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Old 01-06-2007, 06:19 PM   #31
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See I was saying that I had my home dock connected and that I used the FM modulator indoors to verify it was a piece of junk.

Bang your head against that.

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I think we have seen enough post to realize that with these new FCC approved FM transmitting docks are very weak and almost useless.

The idea that SIRIUS is pushing PNP units as if all you have to do is plug them in and play them is total nonsense. PNP in terms of sat radio simply means the tuner is moveable from dock to dock. This does not indicate that you do not have to figure out what method of connecting it works best for you in your particular situation. The same thing happens with subscribers buying home docks. They think they can just get them throw the old antenna on the floor behind the stereo and get reception. You'd think it was the end of the world when they find out "YES you've got to put the antenna outside if in areas not served by a repeater". It doesn't say that on the box either, but that is indeed the case.

e30 you had solutions right at your feet, but appear to just want to complain. If you had direct connect options, why on earth would you possibly be concerned about the FM Trans. There are folks out there that have NO options, those folks I could understand complaining.

The bottom line is that most installations now at minimum require the FM Relay (switching box) in order to use the FM Trans. Yes this requires an extra effort, but that is where we are now with the FCC forcing Sat Radio to live up to the letter of the FM Transmission guidelines.

It is so easy to call something a piece of junk in general terms, but that isn't really true. It just requires additional efforts and for whatever reason that just seems to piss you off. There is no false advertising as that is just nonsense. The only thing I see is the fact that these tuners show they include the ability FM transmit and guess what they do, no matter how weak it is.

Rusty has been warned about jumping on folks, but he has his opinion no matter how strong it maybe. In reviewing what he has said, I wouldn't have said it in the way he has, because he does come off with an attitude, but his information isn't wrong.
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This may sound like a stupid comment, but here goes... I got the Sportster 4 for Christmas (Sirius subscriber with orig. Starmate since 6/2005) and I had read all the horrible reviews about the FM Transmitters on these radios now. I have a 2001 Civic with the antenna in the back window (defroster...).

Anyway, I hooked it up expecting the worst, since the radio would be in the front and the FM antenna in the rear.

And I got what I expected. Hissing, fuzzy, "far away" sounding, etc.

However-- by some fluke and not thinking this should make one HILL OF BEANS of difference, I turned up the audio level (aka "volume" -- DUH -- I love how it's called "audio level") full blast on the radio. (On the Sportster 4 you have to either use the remote +/- button or go into "Menu--Settings")

When I did that, it actually cranked up the volume output to my car radio over the FM signal. I find that very strange, but essentially what happened was most of the fuzz and hissing that was there took a "backseat" to the Sirius audio blaring live and clear up in my grill (beotch)!

I was thrilled man-- it's not perfect like hardwiring but it's very tolerable now and I'm as happy as a pig in slop.

Has anyone else tried this?

My old Starmate didn't do this. The volume setting on the radio itself (like when I plug in headphones) was independent of the FM transmitter. It's almost as if the Sportster 4 audio level somehow cranked up the FM signal strenth. I always thought that the FM signal is the FM signal-- only your car radio has the ability to receive that signal, turn it into audio, and amplify it thru the speakers.

Right out of the box, the Sportster 4 audio level was set to maybe halfway. ONce cranked all the way up though, I'm golden.

If you're having issues and you haven't tried that -- as goofy as it sounds -- give it a shot.

I'd be interested in anyone else's feedback. As I said, maybe this is all common knowledge around here. But it was a pleasant surprise to me!
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It will be money well spent my friend. The $50 is well worth the stress eliminated from having to find different FM channels etc.
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I never said anything was p&p I never intended to use the unit indoors through the FM modulator nor did I say I did. It was my intention to use the s50 as I use my h2e Kenwoods moving it from car to car & in two cars I had not wired it up. I was forced to hardwire it due to the s50's shortcomings.

I was mistreated by Sirius when I called to see what was going on. Additionally as a longtime subscriber that has had several units that worked fine through FM I have a reasonable expectation that since Sirius makes no effort to warn buyers that a change has occurred that the FM capability would in fact still be a viable option.

I said I tried it ON TOP OF MY HOME STEREO TO VERIFY THE FM MODULATOR WAS USELESS.

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I never said anything was p&p I never intended to use the unit indoors through the FM modulator nor did I say I did. It was my intention to use the s50 as I use my h2e Kenwoods moving it from car to car & in two cars I had not wired it up. I was forced to hardwire it due to the s50's shortcomings.

I was mistreated by Sirius when I called to see what was going on. Additionally as a longtime subscriber that has had several units that worked fine through FM I have a reasonable expectation that since Sirius makes no effort to warn buyers that a change has occurred that the FM capability would in fact still be a viable option.

I said I tried it ON TOP OF MY HOME STEREO TO VERIFY THE FM MODULATOR WAS USELESS.

homie you are what you are and I am just so glad you are happy being less than you can be.
Thanks. Did you sign up for XM yet? Let us know how good those monster cables sound on it too.
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No, what you had was tuners that were in violation of the FCC guidelines. Unless you've had your head in the sand for the last 3 months this forum and many news sources have covered about how Sat Radio's where not in compliance. NOW THEY ARE!!!

So you expect that SIRIUS is going to put on the box that they have FM Transmitters, but they are useless, no wait your words were junk. I can't defend SIRIUS support or customer service, we all know they have limited knowledge. But there isn't much they can do about a weak FM transmitter except tell you to use the FM Relay or hook it up direct.

The problem with expecations is that when someone doesn't meet them then they start generalizing about how the product is just junk, which is what you did.
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No, what you had was tuners that were in violation of the FCC guidelines. Unless you've had your head in the sand for the last 3 months this forum and many news sources have covered about how Sat Radio's where not in compliance. NOW THEY ARE!!!

So you expect that SIRIUS is going to put on the box that they have FM Transmitters, but they are useless, no wait your words were junk. I can't defend SIRIUS support or customer service, we all know they have limited knowledge. But there isn't much they can do about a weak FM transmitter except tell you to use the FM Relay or hook it up direct.

The problem with expecations is that when someone doesn't meet them then they start generalizing about how the product is just junk, which is what you did.
I am amazed at the attitude here. Are all you who seemingly blindly defend Sirius employees of Sirius or are your heads somewhere other than in the sand that you really think it is not the responsibilty of sellers to inform customers of necessities of their products?

Look at my attendance here. I came here when I was unable to resolve the issues I had with my new S50. I did not sign any contract to become employed by Sirius nor did I agree to learn that previous iterations of their hardware were ILLEGAL. I thought features lesser units had would naturally exist in newer more feature rich units.

They market the s50 as having FM output and make no mention that to use that feature other hardware needs to be purchased.

That makes the FM modulator junk which is what I was referring to as junk. Why did that word strike such a chord? Because it is true?

There is no mention to any need for additional hardware to use the modulators until you buy & open the box. I did not even get the little antenna that is pictured in the list of included items.

It was mentioned in this thread Sirius's failures in support were part of the reason this site had been created was it not?

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They market the s50 as having FM output and make no mention that to use that feature other hardware needs to be purchased.

That makes the FM modulator junk which is what I was referring to as junk. Why did that word strike such a chord? Because it is true?
Yes, I agree you do seem to have an attitude, so you are absolutely correct. Folks have tried to explain it, but you don't want to hear it, because apparently you are right and everyone else is wrong!

The S50 cradle does indeed have the an FM Transmitter even though it is weak. There are many products sold that don't have everything included that you need to make it work at its highest level possible. But in your opinion that makes it junk, clearly I disagree.

This forum is a community of SIRIUS fans and YES indeed we do provide support, even if it isn't what the person wants to hear. But of course that usually gets the same old stale response that you gave, which is you must all just be SIRIUS employees, you all are just blindly defending SIRIUS. Amazing when you don't agree with someone how that is the best they can come up with.

I think this topic is done now!
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Is this some secret religious cult that prays to the gods of Sirius satellite radio.

In all seriousness - My dilemma has always been that I have a company car. Is it reasonably easy to pull out the stereo, and install the FM direct, or how much would it cost if I had someone simply install the FM relay, without hiding the antenna and all that stuff?

The reason I ask, is that I could very well get assigned a new work car a month from now, and would only have a few days to get everything out of it.

My company car is a 2001 Ford Taurus. I've often heard that Best Buy will un-install the equipment for you, if you sell your vehicle.
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In all seriousness - My dilemma has always been that I have a company car. Is it reasonably easy to pull out the stereo, and install the FM direct, or how much would it cost if I had someone simply install the FM relay, without hiding the antenna and all that stuff?
Generally speaking you just need the head unit removal kit, which in many cases you can buy at Walmart. These allow you to slide them in and this releases the head unit so that you can then hook up the FM Relay. There are some vehicles which I assume would be more difficult and may would require somewhere like Best Buy to do it. I personally do all my own stereo work, so I have no idea what they charge. But I do recall a buddy of mind saying he had a relay hooked in his vehicle for $35. I assume it depends on the vehicle and what is required to get to the back of the head unit.

I have a company van myself and I've periodically went through this, but eventually went with a head unit with the aux-input. If I was to get another vehicle and it didn't have the aux-input, I'd do the same thing. I kept the old factory radio which can be put right back in there when you are done with it. Yes, it takes a little effort there is no doubt about it. But isn't it really about being happy and getting the best SQ you can get?
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Yes, I agree you do seem to have an attitude, so you are absolutely correct. Folks have tried to explain it, but you don't want to hear it, because apparently you are right and everyone else is wrong!

The S50 cradle does indeed have the an FM Transmitter even though it is weak. There are many products sold that don't have everything included that you need to make it work at its highest level possible. But in your opinion that makes it junk, clearly I disagree.

This forum is a community of SIRIUS fans and YES indeed we do provide support, even if it isn't what the person wants to hear. But of course that usually gets the same old stale response that you gave, which is you must all just be SIRIUS employees, you all are just blindly defending SIRIUS. Amazing when you don't agree with someone how that is the best they can come up with.

I think this topic is done now!


Right back at you. Seems anyone disagreeing with those who bow to the gods of Sirius cannot see the point of those who feel taken advantage of by them.

I never asked for tech support in this thread. I know that the FM is a joke, I have already installed the aux in days ago in all cars I use and I just responded to the op that he was right and then your clan jumped me like a non believer in a polymigast compound.


I am sure you will shortly lock this thread and that is ok with me.
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I never asked for tech support in this thread. I know that the FM is a joke, I have already installed the aux in days ago in all cars I use and I just responded to the op that he was right and then your clan jumped me like a non believer in a polymigast compound.
ROTFLOL!!! Thanks for proving my point!

No point in locking the thread there are those that are actually here interested in finding solutions even if you aren't. So bow out now!
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