Digital Radio Central - Sponsored by TSS Radio
  DRC Home Page DRC Forums Contact Us  
 
SIRIUS Backstage Forum
 
 
 
  Sirius Satellite Radio XM Satellite Radio iTunes/iPod Slacker Pandora  
 
 
FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read  
Go Back   SIRIUS Backstage Forum > >
Visit Digital Radio Central

Notices

Radios & Receivers This is the place to talk about all the high-tech SIRIUS radios: Kenwood, Pioneer, Clarion, JVC, Alpine, Audiovox, Sony, XACT, and more!

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 01:59 PM   #61
PasadenaJay
Channel Surfer
 
Join Date: Jan 05, 2007
Posts: 35
PasadenaJay is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DAB
Generally speaking you just need the head unit removal kit, which in many cases you can buy at Walmart. These allow you to slide them in and this releases the head unit so that you can then hook up the FM Relay. There are some vehicles which I assume would be more difficult and may would require somewhere like Best Buy to do it. I personally do all my own stereo work, so I have no idea what they charge. But I do recall a buddy of mind saying he had a relay hooked in his vehicle for $35. I assume it depends on the vehicle and what is required to get to the back of the head unit.

I have a company van myself and I've periodically went through this, but eventually went with a head unit with the aux-input. If I was to get another vehicle and it didn't have the aux-input, I'd do the same thing. I kept the old factory radio which can be put right back in there when you are done with it. Yes, it takes a little effort there is no doubt about it. But isn't it really about being happy and getting the best SQ you can get?
I think you are right about it being about $35. I think it is over $100 if you have then hide the antenna wire, wire the power directly, and all that. It it is only $35 just for the adapter, I can go without hardwire the antenna. I think they even uninstall it if you get rid of your car.

I'm at that point right now, where I will probably get a new company car in the next six to eight months, and that is the only reason I hesitate.
PasadenaJay is offline  
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 02:08 PM   #62
PasadenaJay
Channel Surfer
 
Join Date: Jan 05, 2007
Posts: 35
PasadenaJay is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DAB
This however does not make them junk and I appreciate you staying clear of that nonsense.
Here is my point:

My starmate replay broke (audio jack) from moving it ONCE a week from my company car to my personal car. Now I am an quite familiar with electronics, computers, radios, etc - and was careful when I removed the plugs. So the plugs were taken out in total four times in a week (once out, then back in - and repeated on monday morning) - do you think it is reasonable for me to expect that if they thing is advertised to be able to move it from vehicle, to home, to vehicle - that I can't have the opinion that it is junk?

I remove the headphone from my iPod probably once or twice a DAY and the audio out connection is never loose. Why can't Sirius build such a product? Especially if they are advertising it as such?

Forget the transmitter - there are plenty of people saying that they have gone through two and three starmate's in a year - I would submit that is ridiculous. I understand electronics are complicated devices, and things happen, but you should be able to expect that this thing will work for a year or two, at the very least.
PasadenaJay is offline  
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 03:02 PM   #63
DAB
Site Editor / Moderator
Very Dissapointed in my SIRIUS Purchase
 
DAB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 08, 2003
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 20,013
DAB has a spectacular aura aboutDAB has a spectacular aura aboutDAB has a spectacular aura about
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
Coward? ban? you sir are the thug behind a keyboard not me.
You are violating forum guidelines, you will not be warned again!

You guys need to chill out and take this to PM if you wish to continue to jab at each other.

ENOUGH!
__________________
DAB

Digital Radio Central (New Forum) http://www.digitalradiocentral.com/forum.php

Slacker G2 Premium (4gb-25 Stations), Home Dock
Delphi XpressRC with 2 Home, 2 Car Docks and XMBB1 Boombox
1st Gen, iPod Touch 32gb (Slacker and Pandora Apps) iKicker Boombox
DAB is offline  
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 03:08 PM   #64
DAB
Site Editor / Moderator
Very Dissapointed in my SIRIUS Purchase
 
DAB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 08, 2003
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 20,013
DAB has a spectacular aura aboutDAB has a spectacular aura aboutDAB has a spectacular aura about
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PasadenaJay
do you think it is reasonable for me to expect that if they thing is advertised to be able to move it from vehicle, to home, to vehicle - that I can't have the opinion that it is junk?

I remove the headphone from my iPod probably once or twice a DAY and the audio out connection is never loose. Why can't Sirius build such a product? Especially if they are advertising it as such?
We are getting a bit off topic, but I see you are trying to make a point. But if you think about how many of these tuners have been sold and the actual amount of them that have probably been returned because of jack failures, I think you'd find it is no higher than the iPod. This is what I mean when folks start making general statements based on a single experience.

By the way, I just happen to be one person that bought an iPod that I had a defective jack. I am not the only one. Do you read the Apple iPod forums? I do and if I just used reading a forum as the measure to make a decision about what I am going to call junk, then heck, iPods are junk too.

Where does it say that you won't ever have equipment failures in any advertising that SIRIUS does? Back to the FM Tran, they do claim they have FM Trans? Do they? YES. Some have found they work okay, others in areas with lots of FM channels find they don't. But once again making a general statement calling them junk is just silly. The thing is there is a solution for the weak FM Tran, new radios are even having these included with them. Older ones, you'll have to buy them. I wish they were included with all tuners and I think in the future they will be. Clearly with the Stiletto and InV there are indications they are being more proactive.
__________________
DAB

Digital Radio Central (New Forum) http://www.digitalradiocentral.com/forum.php

Slacker G2 Premium (4gb-25 Stations), Home Dock
Delphi XpressRC with 2 Home, 2 Car Docks and XMBB1 Boombox
1st Gen, iPod Touch 32gb (Slacker and Pandora Apps) iKicker Boombox
DAB is offline  
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 03:22 PM   #65
obk
Rocket Scientist
 
Join Date: Oct 16, 2006
Posts: 500
obk is on a distinguished road
Default

what about just using this:
http://www.wholehousefmtransmitter.com/index.php
instead of hardwiring. 80 bucks and you can transmit to fm within half a mile or something like that.
then you don't have to deal with reinstalling when you get a new company car.
I use the hardwired option, but this doesn't look too bad.

you also have to realize that you don't own every dock made. Mine was used with the "crappy" fm transmitter that is built in, and it worked fine for the month I used it before I hardwired.
obk is offline  
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 03:59 PM   #66
PasadenaJay
Channel Surfer
 
Join Date: Jan 05, 2007
Posts: 35
PasadenaJay is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DAB
We are getting a bit off topic, but I see you are trying to make a point. But if you think about how many of these tuners have been sold and the actual amount of them that have probably been returned because of jack failures, I think you'd find it is no higher than the iPod. This is what I mean when folks start making general statements based on a single experience.

By the way, I just happen to be one person that bought an iPod that I had a defective jack. I am not the only one. Do you read the Apple iPod forums? I do and if I just used reading a forum as the measure to make a decision about what I am going to call junk, then heck, iPods are junk too.

Where does it say that you won't ever have equipment failures in any advertising that SIRIUS does? Back to the FM Tran, they do claim they have FM Trans? Do they? YES. Some have found they work okay, others in areas with lots of FM channels find they don't. But once again making a general statement calling them junk is just silly. The thing is there is a solution for the weak FM Tran, new radios are even having these included with them. Older ones, you'll have to buy them. I wish they were included with all tuners and I think in the future they will be. Clearly with the Stiletto and InV there are indications they are being more proactive.
I personally think most electronics, made by most companies are junk in the long run. I don't know statistics, but my complaint with Sirius is that I believe (not fact, just an opinion) that they typically end up rushing products out (for example the S50 right before Christmas in 2005), without testing them out sufficiently and then numerous problems surface once their already on the market.

I will say this - perhaps, after a couple more years, the products will get stronger, and more reliable as Sirius and the companies that manufacture the products continue to learn of more issues, and effectively deal with them.

As for the transmitter issue - I think we can all blame the stupid FCC, NPR, NAB, and anyone that has complained. They are complain because they can't compete with the programming, and that is the only thing they can do. It is utter B.S.
PasadenaJay is offline  
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 04:00 PM   #67
PasadenaJay
Channel Surfer
 
Join Date: Jan 05, 2007
Posts: 35
PasadenaJay is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by obk
what about just using this:
http://www.wholehousefmtransmitter.com/index.php
instead of hardwiring. 80 bucks and you can transmit to fm within half a mile or something like that.
then you don't have to deal with reinstalling when you get a new company car.
I use the hardwired option, but this doesn't look too bad.

you also have to realize that you don't own every dock made. Mine was used with the "crappy" fm transmitter that is built in, and it worked fine for the month I used it before I hardwired.
I was thinking of doing the Crane one - however I am going to wait until my new Starmate 4 comes, and I'll try it out. It might be good enough with that little FM extender antenna. I say that because it was really good for wireless with my old starmate.
PasadenaJay is offline  
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 04:23 PM   #68
HomieG
Sirius Star
 
HomieG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 06, 2006
Location: Somewhere in the USA
Posts: 1,431
HomieG is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PasadenaJay
...As for the transmitter issue - I think we can all blame the stupid FCC, NPR, NAB, and anyone that has complained. They are complain because they can't compete with the programming, and that is the only thing they can do...
Yes, it does seem to be a case of the broadcasters being concerned and somewhat scared about their listnership numbers. Funny thing, they should look at it as an opportunity to fix their own product, which is what's driving folks to SDARS, iPods and other forms of in-car and portable audio. For a few years now there have been out-of-tolerance modulators for iPods, etc., yet it wasn't until a few people complained that they were hearding Stern on the non-commercial frequencies (which frequently contain so-called Christian stations), that the NAB found a back-door to try to screw with SDARS. Remember, at one time years ago, the NAB didn't allow FM broadcasters to join their assoication...AM broadcasters were scared of what FM would do. Interesting case of how history repeats itself.

XM and Sirius could have done a much better job of putting disclaimers and such on their packaging, and also including FM direc-connect relays when they modified those out-of-tolerance radios and put them back on the market. Perhaps they thought that would hurt sales because it was an indication that installation of their radios would not be as simple as plug-and-play.

Personally I never thought to use the FM modulator in my daily driver. I hated the FM modulator I had for my iPod, and already knew that a lot of FM modulators didn't work too well. They had sub-par audio and poor RF power, hence subject to interference with the latter. I had already replaced my daily driver with a head unit that had an aux-in jack, for my iPod. So I simply used that to interface the line-out (aux-out) from my Streamer Replay. Been quite happy with that. When it came to my wifes daily driver, installation was more difficult. I tries the XACT Visor and was very impressed with its FM modulators audio and RF quality. We still use it today.

eBay is indeed a good place to buy pre-neutered Sirius radios. I bought a spare Sportster there as a backup for my Streamer Replay when I had to return the replay for warranty repair. I hate being without my Sirius radio. While I don't use the FM modulator in that Sportster, or the Streamer, I did check them out. The Sportster FM modulator was excellent. My original Replay FM modulator was excellent. My replacement Replay FM modulator is poor.

Someday all car manufacturer and aftermarket car radios need to have SDARS tuners build into them as well. It's a solution that I think we'll see in the next 2-3 years.
__________________
- Homie
Lifetime Sirius Subscriber

Originally Posted by atlwxman: "I love Sirius...but in my car, not in my portfolio."

Originally Posted by Andrew-NYC: "...Just make a radio that gets both services, and there will be no need for the merger!"


Current Sirius radios:
Brix Streamer Replay
XACT "Visor"
XACT XTR8 Replay
HomieG is offline  
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 06:10 PM   #69
PasadenaJay
Channel Surfer
 
Join Date: Jan 05, 2007
Posts: 35
PasadenaJay is on a distinguished road
Default

After all that (meanwhile I'm bidding on a few starmates on eBay that I don't need now) I realized that the radio in my company car is in the TRUNK!!! I feel like such an idiot. All I need is the adapter for Ford, and an extension to use the FM relay - or even better, I could EASILY self-install the aux input adapter.
PasadenaJay is offline  
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 07:02 PM   #70
Caveman
Loyal Listener
 
Join Date: Aug 14, 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 125
Caveman is on a distinguished road
Send a message via Yahoo to Caveman
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
I am so glad you get to show that in fact you are not so superior, while attempitng to look superior on an open forum.

I salute you captian penis envy!!!!!!!!!!
I can't resist. This quote from the poster who has to tell us that he has a "BMW convertible and my Wife's LX470, my 94 Land Cruiser" and a "1000.00" home stereo.

Pot, I'd like for you to meet kettle.

I haven't posted here in a while, but this is a great thread!
Caveman is offline  
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 07:14 PM   #71
usiphi203
Sirius Star
Very Dissapointed in my SIRIUS Purchase
 
usiphi203's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 25, 2005
Location: Indiana
Posts: 4,536
usiphi203 has a spectacular aura aboutusiphi203 has a spectacular aura about
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman
I can't resist. This quote from the poster who has to tell us that he has a "BMW convertible and my Wife's LX470, my 94 Land Cruiser" and a "1000.00" home stereo.

Pot, I'd like for you to meet kettle.

I haven't posted here in a while, but this is a great thread!
I stay out of these type of threads, but I sure do read them. This is some funny stuff.
usiphi203 is offline  
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 09:23 PM   #72
tom5304
Channel Surfer
 
Join Date: Nov 04, 2004
Posts: 57
tom5304 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by e30cabrio
I am amazed at the attitude here.
I'm not amazed. These kinds of violent reactions against any criticism of Sirius were even much worse in earlier years of Sirius Backstage.

Sirius Backstage has a lot of great information, but if you go against the Sirius party line, get ready for some hostility, as well as nonsensical explanations regarding the flaws in the service.
tom5304 is offline  
 
 
Old 01-07-2007, 11:41 PM   #73
DAB
Site Editor / Moderator
Very Dissapointed in my SIRIUS Purchase
 
DAB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 08, 2003
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 20,013
DAB has a spectacular aura aboutDAB has a spectacular aura aboutDAB has a spectacular aura about
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tom5304
I'm not amazed. These kinds of violent reactions against any criticism of Sirius were even much worse in earlier years of Sirius Backstage.

Sirius Backstage has a lot of great information, but if you go against the Sirius party line, get ready for some hostility, as well as nonsensical explanations regarding the flaws in the service.
What partyline might that be? Can you give me exact details about this so called partyline that folks such as yourself keep bringing up?

It is always the same if you have a different opinion you are being hostile!

The fact is that many of the flaws in the service as well as the equipment are very much so highlighted by this forum. Many of them are even brought up by folks such as myself.

So please.. can you explain what the partyline is here on this Sirius Fan Forum for me?
__________________
DAB

Digital Radio Central (New Forum) http://www.digitalradiocentral.com/forum.php

Slacker G2 Premium (4gb-25 Stations), Home Dock
Delphi XpressRC with 2 Home, 2 Car Docks and XMBB1 Boombox
1st Gen, iPod Touch 32gb (Slacker and Pandora Apps) iKicker Boombox
DAB is offline  
 
 
Old 01-08-2007, 09:59 AM   #74
SubSonic
Channel Surfer
 
Join Date: Jun 29, 2006
Location: Raleigh NC
Posts: 57
SubSonic is on a distinguished road
Default

Man, this thread has been a hoot. All I can say is that I interpreted "PNP" to mean I could move it car to car to house, etc, which it does. I wanted to upgrade head-units in one of my vehicles when I got my S4, and did, so it connects via audio out there and is fine. My wife's car came with an AUX in, works fine there, but once I saw I had another couple of vehicles that would need FM transmission for signal transfer, and that it didn't work well, I got a couple of $20 relays, spent about a half hour putting each in, and the problems were fixed.

I can't see where 2 days of arguing was worth the $40 or the hour it took to fix the 2 autos that needed the relays. I also can't believe that there is such a strong argument against the "truth in advertising" that has taken place here. There must be some very naive folks out there if they think that Sirius is the only company in the world that may or may not tell all the truth in their ads...Take any automobile for that matter. You pay say, $30,000 for something that says it has 250HP. Great, now take that auto to a dyno and see "what it really has" and then let's argue truth in advertising on $50-$300 radios and a $30,000 car. It's downright silly if you ask me.
SubSonic is offline  
 
 
Old 01-08-2007, 10:25 AM   #75
rustytrombone
Sirius Star
 
rustytrombone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 10, 2006
Posts: 2,880
rustytrombone is on a distinguished road
Default

funny, when I needed a CD player in my car back in 1990, we needed a CD walk man, tape adapter, power adapter for the CD player, a mount for the CD player so it wouldn't skip (as much) and wires ALL OVER THE GOD DAM PLACE which ended up costing WAY MORE than the $200 for the CD walkman that skipped every time someone on the same bench seat farted AND WE WERE GLAD TO HAVE THAT.

Come on here like a high roller to complain about something that's under $100 to fix (and even cheaper if you spent 3 seconds to do it yourself).

Yeah, I'm the ass.
__________________
Make you humble

bust'n heads with:
(3) S50s
Sportster Replay
Sportster 4
(2)InV
Stratus
rustytrombone is offline  
 
 
 

Go Back   SIRIUS Backstage Forum > >


Digitalradiocentral.com




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
interesting article on sirius and xm (long) from barrons soxnationonline The Street 12 06-18-2008 02:48 PM
Sirius Unfairly Hit by XM's Issue badmotherfarker SIRIUS Dogstar Cafe 4 04-30-2006 08:11 PM
"REAL" NPR msaenz SIRIUS Dogstar Cafe 18 02-26-2005 10:54 AM
WOO HOO! Sirius and College sports Television!!! Oberlyn SIRIUS Dogstar Cafe 1 08-31-2004 08:57 AM
Sirius and XM Radio Poll TX WJ SIRIUS Dogstar Cafe 34 11-12-2003 11:26 PM

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:55 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.39 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
All Content Copyright SIRIUS Backstage. All Rights Reserved. SIRIUS and registered trademarks are the property of SIRIUS Satellite Radio, Inc. The opinions posted on SIRIUS Backstage website and forums are those of the individual posters and/or this website and are not necessarily the opinions or positions of SIRIUS Satellite Radio, Inc.