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Old 09-14-2005, 11:15 AM   #16
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Well I see how I goofed in my posts...but it gave everyone a laugh

Let me clarify...theres a difference between killing an innocent person and killing a bloodless murderer. The innocent deserves life, the guilty murderer deserves death.
I believed one of the commandments said, "Thou Shalt Not Kill", not "Thou Shalt Not Murder".

Is Chavez any more of a "bloodless murderer" than Bush is? I think this statement justifies taking out Robertson more than it justifies taking out Chavez, since from other people's perspectives, Robertson's the one that's actually advocating that we kill someone publicly, not Chavez. If assassination is "justified" in these instances, isn't Robertson the more viable target? It really depends on who is the "judge". I don't think God annointed Robertson to be judge, jury, and executioner.
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Old 09-14-2005, 02:42 PM   #17
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Well I see how I goofed in my posts...but it gave everyone a laugh

Let me clarify...theres a difference between killing an innocent person and killing a bloodless murderer. The innocent deserves life, the guilty murderer deserves death.
I believed one of the commandments said, "Thou Shalt Not Kill", not "Thou Shalt Not Murder".

Actually the commandment is "Thou shalt not murder". It speaks of us (humans) not taking each others lives.

At the time of the commandments and Moses (if you choose to subscribe to that line of thinking) people killed many animals (sacrificed) to God.

And we do have to kill to eat.
I interpreted the previous excuse as being that Robertson and those "assassinating" was the distinction was that it wasn't "murder" if this assassination was killing someone in a justified fashion since that their interpretation was that person was a "bloodless murderer" (aka, it was not "murder" and OK to assassinate Chavez because he was a "bloodless murderer").

I guess now I see that rationalization being changed to say that any kind of killing of a human being is "murder" (since you equivalence "Thou Shalt not Kill" with "Thou Shalt Not Murder"). The reason I guess now that you give that killing in assasinations is not "murder" (and I guess any time someone gets a death sentence for a capital crime here) is that they are no longer human, and they are in fact animals. We are justified in randomly killing animals I guess, even if we don't plan to eat them, huh? We kill some animals for food, and others because they've been converted from being human beings for having killed other humans. Do I have this right, or is there something else that should be understood to understand why Robertson is not advocating violating one of the 10 commandments! So I guess now killing Chavez is justified because "Robertson now has decreed that Chavez is an animal, and not subject to 10 commandment protections."
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Later in the same book of the Bible, the Lord commands those who murder to be put to death for what they have done. He commands the GOVERNMENT to do this. The Ten Commandments is for the INDIVIDUAL. I dont have the right to provide justice to a murderer but the government does. Am I saying the Ten Commandments dont apply to government? Not at all. But the Bible teaches that the role of government is to provide justice. And God commands the murderer to be put to death.

That being said there is debate in the Christian community over the death penalty. And the other side has a valid point. Jesus says in the New Testament that the guiltless person shall cast the first stone and we are to forgive. So I can see the other side of the issue. But I believe Jesus was talking to the individual. Government is here to provide justice so it is their right to punish the guilty.

There is no debate over whether or not Chavez is an evil man. He is in the rankings of Hussein, Hitler and Castro. Robertson believes the best option for everyone is to give this man justice and take him out. I happen to agree with that.

Think about this...If the U.S. had assassinated Hussein, his sons and ranking officers in the early nineties(during the first Iraq war), would be in the same mess we are in today??
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Now that's not fair. The thread IS about a Christian channel. What's offensive about religious discussion? They aren't even proselytizing. Just skip it.
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Mods: please create a Religion Forum. Thank you.
Chad go away. We know you hate religion....if you are so closed minded dont read the forum. This is a topic on a new channel.
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Old 09-15-2005, 12:50 AM   #21
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Mods: please create a Religion Forum. Thank you.
That isn't going to happen.

Those of you that aren't interested in Christian Music and Talk, then I suggest you stay out of these threads. You are just stirring the pot and you know you are. These folks should be able to create threads without having to defend their beliefs. The original poster asked a pretty simple question about what was going to be on that channel. That is the topic. Anything else is off topic.

I have deleted all the junk messages out of this thread and I will not allow this thread to be taken over with all these type message. Like I said if you don't like Christain Music and Talk then stay out of these threads.
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Why was the mock lineup removed? It was done in good humor and it's painfully obvious that it was meant as a joke. Besides, not one person complained about it...even ntilly found it funny.

And regarding the Religion Forum comment...also meant to be taken lightly. I wasn't actually serious about creating one. My apologies if I forgot to put the after it.

Although, I really can't say I appreciate having my posts removed for no reason.
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There is no debate over whether or not Chavez is an evil man. He is in the rankings of Hussein, Hitler and Castro. Robertson believes the best option for everyone is to give this man justice and take him out. I happen to agree with that.
You can speak for your OWN opinion, but there IS debate on whether Chavez is an evil man. Please explain how he is evil, other than he doesn't want our corporate influence to run over his country. The man was freely elected TWICE in his country. What if other countries felt that they should give Bush justice and "take him out"? Would you think that they would be wrong if they held the opinion that "there was no debate as to whether Bush was an evil man?"

I hold an opinion that Bush is an evil man myself, but I recognize that's not a universally held opinion, and moreso I recognize that political assassination isn't a proper way (let alone a "Christian" way) to "remove" him as a problem leader. I hope you're not trying to advocate that assassination is the "Christian" way to "remove" Chavez from power. Who would Jesus assassinate next sir?

Sorry about the religious comments here, but I couldn't let that last statement rationalizing religious appropriateness of political assassination to pass without comment. I'll try to back off of this thread now.
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Let me clarify...theres a difference between killing an innocent person and killing a bloodless murderer. The innocent deserves life, the guilty murderer deserves death.
I get a little confused about religion sometimes. Earlier you had said that God loves every life, and that is why it is wrong to kill. So there's a contradiction here. Are you saying that God loves every life except those who murder, or are you saying that it is okay to kill murderers even though God loves them?

Also, I'm not defending Hugo Chavez, but to compare him to Hitler or Hussein is incredibly absurd.
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Let me clarify...theres a difference between killing an innocent person and killing a bloodless murderer. The innocent deserves life, the guilty murderer deserves death.
I get a little confused about religion sometimes. Earlier you had said that God loves every life, and that is why it is wrong to kill. So there's a contradiction here. Are you saying that God loves every life except those who murder, or are you saying that it is okay to kill murderers even though God loves them?

Also, I'm not defending Hugo Chavez, but to compare him to Hitler or Hussein is incredibly absurd.
This is not on the topic... get back to the topic or this thread is going to be locked.
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Thanks DAB

As I originally posted, I am looking forward to see what programming they end up having. I would really like to see some good family friendly talk that doesn’t necessarily have to be theology based. I think that Sirius needs some talk that is not politically based where you can listen with kids in the car.
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I agree TX WJ, I am hoping there is some really good non political type programming as well. I wish they had announced some of the programming they will offer on this channel. It will be interesting to see. I think some programs of dealing with life issues from a Christain based life would be good.

By the way those of you that continued to talk off topic, a topic has been created called Religious Talk, but this topic isn't going to be where you do it and its not open for discussion.

Now back to the topic? What programs would you like to see or do you think Sirius may offer on this Christian Talk Channel.
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Who else thinks Sirius is stereotyping? The gay channel is all liberal, who wants to bet the Christian talk channel will be all conservative? All the AM Christian talk channels are.
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Who else thinks Sirius is stereotyping? The gay channel is all liberal, who wants to bet the Christian talk channel will be all conservative? All the AM Christian talk channels are.
I think that would make a good topic in the Political Asylum.
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Ive had sirius for over 6 months. Ive been asking for a channel like this ever since.

I hope they will have Chuck Swindoll, Charles Stanley and James Dobson at least. Shows like 'Focus on the Family', 'Money Matters', 'Insight for Living', etc. I have these shows in my town's local christian station and would love to be able to hear these shows across the country because Im a truck driver.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but if sirius is gonna have stations like 'Raw Dog', then I dont see why I can't have a station I would like to hear. 'Spirit' was the only way to receive christian music to me because Im not catholic, Im Baptist. Also the 'Word' is not my cup of tea.

I hope sirius will have these programs on because Im a paying customer too

btw, politics is talked about a whole lot in the bible.
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