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Old 10-08-2005, 01:26 AM   #121
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Old 10-09-2005, 01:03 PM   #122
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I've been listening on and off for about a week now and Coffee House is not even close to a substitute for Folktown. I can hear half of what they play every day on the so called "soft rock" stations. The other half is material, although arguably of great value, belongs on a Jazz channel and wouldn't be heard in any acoustically oriented coffee house I've ever visited. What I'm speaking are the Jazz artists, complete with a full band accompanying them. Coffehouse...I don't think so.

Like many others here, I based my choice of satellite providers mainly on my love of Folktown. I first heard this channel on Dish network. I opted to pay for Sirius so I could listen in the truck and when I'm camping. Money down the tubes at this point. They've pretty much abandoned Folk as a genre, unless you want to be bombarded with commercial soft rock and Harry Connick Jr., just to hear that one bone they occasionally toss us. I agree with the previous post that suggested we complain loud and often to Sirius.

In the mean time, if you have Dish Network, Acoustic Crossroads is another, acceptable substitute for Folktown; although, in my opinion, Folktown was better.

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Old 10-10-2005, 02:09 PM   #123
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What the hell are these people at sirius thinking?????
They can't be for real...
I signed on because of folk Town and Bamm they toss it...
Folk Town had some of THE BEST music that was ever broadcast any where...
I think we should be told who the person was that came up with this idea.
Let them explain why it was removed. $$$$$
We should all be given three free months of service.
Hell,just don't pay Martha and Howard as much as much.
Well it might be time to change over to the OTHER side.......there folk is super.
BRING BACK FOLK TOWN !!!!!!!!
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Old 10-10-2005, 02:21 PM   #124
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Well, I gave up on waiting for anyone to see the light at Sirius. Amazing how fast one can go from being an evangelist for a product to jumping ship.

Over the weekend we pulled the Orbiter radios from the cars, and replaced them with Audiovox XR9 units for XM. Been listening to folk music on The Village. Also listening some to The Loft, which is well programmed. XM now sounds pretty good, where it used to sound like a computerized juke box. Sirius seems to be going the other way. Oh well.

Lessons learned: pay month-to-month. It's inexpensive to switch services that way. Given both companies have shown a propensity to ditch channels without warning, churn is likely to rise.

For when you're at a computer, there are some good folk streaming channels such as folkalley.com and hober.com that are worth a listen.

Bye all. If Folktown is revived, I'll reconsider Sirius.
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Old 10-10-2005, 09:32 PM   #125
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Well, I gave up on waiting for anyone to see the light at Sirius. Amazing how fast one can go from being an evangelist for a product to jumping ship.

Over the weekend we pulled the Orbiter radios from the cars, and replaced them with Audiovox XR9 units for XM. Been listening to folk music on The Village. Also listening some to The Loft, which is well programmed. XM now sounds pretty good, where it used to sound like a computerized juke box. Sirius seems to be going the other way. Oh well.

Lessons learned: pay month-to-month. It's inexpensive to switch services that way. Given both companies have shown a propensity to ditch channels without warning, churn is likely to rise.

For when you're at a computer, there are some good folk streaming channels such as folkalley.com and hober.com that are worth a listen.

Bye all. If Folktown is revived, I'll reconsider Sirius.
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Old 10-10-2005, 11:33 PM   #126
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It's enjoyable enough. Anyone here can probably catch me there. Never at XMfan.com though. One doesn't really even need an online community to enjoy a radio service if the content is good and it gets received properly.
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Old 10-11-2005, 02:43 AM   #127
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It's enjoyable enough. Anyone here can probably catch me there.
I don't think anyone here will go over there looking for you, but thanks for the warning! ROTFLOL... I am just kidding!

I visit both the XM Fan sites, but I rarely post and usually when I do its about equipment. I pretty much avoid all the controversial threads anymore as they are pretty much a waste of time.
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Old 10-11-2005, 04:40 AM   #128
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It's enjoyable enough. Anyone here can probably catch me there.
I don't think anyone here will go over there looking for you, but thanks for the warning! ROTFLOL... I am just kidding!
Now how did I predict that you were going to focus on those two parts of my post.

I’ve read that xm411.com is the one that doesn’t allow smear campaigns of Sirius. It seems like a decent enough place to me, so I don’t mind sticking up for it here. Of course there are people occasionally firing off Sirius flames there. I doubt people from here will care though if they’re already choosing XM for the specific reason that Sirius withholds multiple channels that these people paid for.
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Old 10-11-2005, 05:23 AM   #129
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Sheesh. The whiners who want to run to XM because Sirius assimilated a couple of their favorite channels are amusing.

The hard fact is, XM has eliminated several channels themselves.

They eliminated three of their Latin channels in one fell swoop a while back. They brought back one of them later, but that's still two lost channels. XM screwed their Latino listeners big time.

XM took Liquid Metal off the satellite, it's only available online now. Which doesn't do Metal fans much good when they're in their car or on the go. XM screwed their Metal listeners big time.

There are more I could list, but I've proven my point--BOTH services have eliminated channels.

That's why it's stupid to subscribe to SatRadio for just one or two channels. I enjoy DOZENS of channels, so the loss of one or two isn't going to bother me much.
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Old 10-11-2005, 09:20 PM   #130
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Can't believe Folktown is gone. Guess I'll just have to get used to head banger music.
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There are more I could list, but I've proven my point--BOTH services have eliminated channels.

That's why it's stupid to subscribe to SatRadio for just one or two channels. I enjoy DOZENS of channels, so the loss of one or two isn't going to bother me much.
But we're each individual listeners, with our own preferences. So eliminating channels only matters to us if the channels eliminated are the ones we like.

Getting rid of Folktown really irritated me, because I listened to it a lot. Getting rid of a metal channel wouldn't phase me a bit, because I never listened to them. In the big picture, maybe a channel is a channel... but to me, Folktown mattered a lot more than most others.

I listen to a lot of different channels, but there are three or four core channels that keep me on Sirius, channels I can't get from XM. If those channels disappear, it gets easier to consider alternative services. Having a huge list of channels only matters if there are enough channels on the list that I like to make it worth subscribing.

Even without Folktown, I still prefer the Sirius channel lineup. It's just not as clear a victory for Sirius over XM as it used to be.
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But we're each individual listeners, with our own preferences. So eliminating channels only matters to us if the channels eliminated are the ones we like.

Getting rid of Folktown really irritated me, because I listened to it a lot. Getting rid of a metal channel wouldn't phase me a bit, because I never listened to them. In the big picture, maybe a channel is a channel... but to me, Folktown mattered a lot more than most others.

I listen to a lot of different channels, but there are three or four core channels that keep me on Sirius, channels I can't get from XM. If those channels disappear, it gets easier to consider alternative services. Having a huge list of channels only matters if there are enough channels on the list that I like to make it worth subscribing.

Even without Folktown, I still prefer the Sirius channel lineup. It's just not as clear a victory for Sirius over XM as it used to be.
Thank God we live in America, where thinking people realize they have options. The non-thinking ones are unable to see the options, so they hang around SBS, whining about spilled milk and water over the dam.

Anytime you're not satisfied with Sirius, you can always go buy an MP3 player and subscribe to Yahoo music. That way you can be your very own program director, download only the songs you wish to hear, and can even program your own radio stations.
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For me, it's more than just the loss of a few channels. It's also what they were replaced with. TheCoffeeHouse takes its playlists purely from existing channels. Same with Margaritaville. It looks as if Sirius is trying to attract a specific type of listener rather than trying to support multiple genres of music that everyone can enjoy.

The writing is on the wall, so I guess it's best to just bite the bullet (the pain: having to buy all new hardware and retire stuff that's functionally still perfectly good). XM does offer the channels and programming so, currently at least, we can get Folk plus a better variety of music overall than what Sirius is willing to give us (I've been comparing their Jazz, World, and other genres too). Unfortunately that means settling for hardware that is poorly designed and (so far) unrefined. That seems better to me than superb hardware that receives blah content though. Their previous generation of PnPs can be bought for almost nothing if we consider the rebates. Pay for service by the month in case any unwelcome surprises come.

What unique channels does XM offer me?
• The40s - Swing/early-Jazz.
• TheGroove - Old school R&B/Funk.
• TheVillage - Folk.
• Luna - Latin Jazz.
• Audio Visions - What Spa pretends to be.
• World Zone - Traditional/ethnic folk music.
• Fine Tuning - An eclectic mix of adult music.
• XMU - What Left of Center pretends to be.
• Ngoma - African music.
• Better programming overall - Done by afficienados of each genre.

What unique music channels does Sirius offer me?
• Jam_ON.
• Chill.
• We already know how the programming we currently get on Sirius is. It makes me wonder who's actually doing it.
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Thank God we live in America, where thinking people realize they have options. The non-thinking ones are unable to see the options, so they hang around SBS, whining about spilled milk and water over the dam.

Anytime you're not satisfied with Sirius, you can always go buy an MP3 player and subscribe to Yahoo music. That way you can be your very own program director, download only the songs you wish to hear, and can even program your own radio stations.
I'm not sure expressing disappointment in a programming change really qualifies as "whining about spilled milk".

Sirius has made lots of programming changes. Some of them I've liked, some I haven't. The same probably goes for every Sirius subscriber. For example, I was a huge fan of adding NFL coverage. That was a huge plus for me, one that outweighs the loss of Folktown.

Sirius has the difficult task of trying to please as many listeners as possible. Sometimes that means upsetting a few to please a few more. They can't please everyone all the time. And no sane person expects them to.

But unless listeners express their opinions, likes and dislikes, how will Sirius know what to change in the future? Feedback is only useful when you get a mix of positive and negative views.

So yes, I could run away and listen to MP3s. Or switch to XM. And if it ever gets bad enough, maybe I will. But it's not that bad. And in the meantime, I'll be disappointed in changes I don't like, and get excited about the ones I do like.
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Old 10-25-2005, 04:08 PM   #135
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I’ve heard the music at the top of the mountain and it is good! But don’t take my word for it, do the three-day trial.


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