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Old 11-03-2005, 12:54 AM   #16
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]Ba Ba Booie = childishness ? Gee now, Howard just made 500 Mill W/Sirius. Fa Fa Fooie ! Howards at least 45 years old. Hmmmm
Stern does it as part of his radio persona. It's part of his act. I sincerely doubt he uses it in everyday conversations outside of his show. It's still immature, regardless of his age. But at least he has a legitimate reason for doing it. He's not an immature poseur and copycat like yourself. Try being a little original in your comments. And FYI, Howard is past 50.
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Old 11-06-2005, 12:42 AM   #17
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I think Phil made some very valid points in his post. There is a lot of repetition on those 2 channels. When you consider that the Roadhouse competes with America and Hank's Place on XM, the Roadhouse is really blown out of the water. It makes no sense to play the same songs over and over. Dolly Pardon has a lot more than Tennessee Mountain Home. But you'll hear this one song 2 or 3 times a day. Why not play some of her other wonderful old hits. It's the same for many other artist as well, they just play the same 3 or 4 songs over and over.

Renaissance Man, you spend way too much time defending Sirius. Even the mods on this forum don't defend Sirius so blindly as you seem too. You also need to chill out calling posters that you disagree with names and using your little degrading pet names. Enough is Enough and I will not warn you again. If you disagree with what people are complaining about fine, say so and move on, but your constant badgering of posters in which you disagree has gotten pretty old now. Not all of us are willing to give SIRIUS a pass on everything as you seem to be so willing to do and people have very right to make their feelings known without being badgered for doing so.

Your constant whining about those that complain it in and of itself is whining so how about you practice what you preach.
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Old 11-06-2005, 02:34 AM   #18
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Renaissance Man, you spend way too much time defending Sirius. Even the mods on this forum don't defend Sirius so blindly as you seem too.

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But when it comes to playing true traditional country, Hank's Place beats any of the country channels on Sirius.
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I've got to admit that Hank's Place is better than any of Sirius's country channels.
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"...if you want deeper and much older classic country, you XM with Hanks Place win's hands down."--(DAB)

>>No doubt about that.--(Renaissance Man)
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But speaking as a subscriber to both services, I think XM's Country is just as good. In fact, my favorite Country channel on either service is Hank's Place on XM.
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I also like Hank's Place best. But that doesn't mean I think the Roadhouse sucks. RH is hands down better than FM Country.
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Renaissance Man, you spend way too much time defending Sirius. Even the mods on this forum don't defend Sirius so blindly as you seem too.
I could go back and list all those post where you are clearly defending Sirius, calling posters names or badgering them, but I've got more things to do with my time. Your history speaks for itself and I don't need to list them, but I will tell you I have gotten a lot of complaints from posters so I am asking you to quit badgering and calling other SBS members names because you disagree with them or don't like that they are complaining.

So you've had a few post where you've said Sirius isn't so great, does this mean you are a complainer and whiner? Because that is what you call anyone that post their displeasure with Sirius.
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I agree a little repetition is desirable and unavoidable--but a line needs to be drawn. Currently there is just a little too much on Sirius, and too much is neither desirable or unavoidable. The programmers need to get a little busier and imaginative, and give us bigger playlists on many of the Sirius channels.
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Renaissance Man I am sort of like Shania Twain, That Don't Impress Me Much!!!

So, you agreed with the original poster, but found it necessary to badger him anyway. Go back and read this thread and thank you for proving my point.
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So you've had a few post where you've said Sirius isn't so great, does this mean you are a complainer and whiner? Because that is what you call anyone that post their displeasure with Sirius.
Right--"a few". Not over and over and over. Not every post. Not every day.

I've complained "a few" times. I'd say that DOESN'T make me a whiner.
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Right--"a few". Not over and over and over. Not every post. Not every day.

I've complained "a few" times. I'd say that DOESN'T make me a whiner.
Phil has been a member since April 24 2004 and he has had 13 post, so what if he used them to let his feelings be known. I'd hardly call 13 post since April 24, 2004 someone that is a complainer.

It's not your job to go around on this forum pointing out the complainers and challenging them. We have no rules or guidelines that prohibit someone from posting their issues with this service as long as they do so in a constructive and respectful manner. You however have violated guidelines and are not respectful; in fact you badger and call them names.

The fact that you challenge almost everyone that has a complaint does make you a whiner, you whine about the whiners as you call them and to prove my point all one has to do is look at your avatar.

For the sake of allowing this thread to get back on topic, I am done with this dicussion in this thread. If you feel you need to continue to discuss this with me, then do so via PM.
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Old 11-06-2005, 05:11 PM   #24
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I do have positive things to say about Sirius myself. First of all, I bought the unit for music, but have really fallen in love with the sports. Being from Wisconsin, it was great to be able to listen to the Packer game a few weeks ago when I was traveling through South Dakota and Minnesota. I really enjoy listening to 124 NFL Radio. I never was much of a sports talk fan, but I do enjoy listening to this stream. I also enjoy being able to hear NFL games from other markets I would never get to hear when I'm out driving on a Sunday. Same goes with the NBA, it is great to have every game available at my fingertips, with the current score displayed right on the screen.

As far as Sirius' music channels, I think there are some channels that are pretty good. I really like 22 First Wave and think they do a much better job than XM's 44 Fred of playing a good mix of hits and songs I'm not familiar with from the 80s alternative genre. I can listen to First Wave for a long period and not get sick of it. I am a causal listener of the smooth jazz channel 71 and the mainstream dance channel (the Beat, I think) and I think both of them sound really good. Sirius does a great job of covering classic rock between the Vault, Classic Vinyl, and Classic Rewind. I had really liked the Spectrum, but of late I think they play way too much classic rock overlapping with the three classic rock channels. I wish their Adult Alternative stream were a bit more focuses on the 80s, 90s, and 2000s, but I find the Specturm to be listenable. I like the Pulse as well. I think maybe Sirius should split the 90s channel and current hot AC, but for now, the Pulse is definitely a decent choice.

I have a lot of good things to say about Sirius, otherwise I would choose not to patronize them. HOWEVER, that being said, I think Prime Country and the Roadhouse may well be the two worst programmed music stations on Sirius. One of the last posters mentioned Dolly Parton and her song "My Tennessee Mountain Home". That song is horribly over played considering how many HITS Dolly Parton had from the early 70s to the early 90s. Why on earth would you play that song every day, but never once play "Think About Love", "Don't Call It Love", any of her songs with Emmylou Harris and Linda Ronstadt ("Those Memories Of You", "To Know Him Is To Love Him", "Telling Me Lies"). I mentioned before Mel Tillis, Eddie Rabbitt, Earl Thomas Conley, Eddy Raven, Billy Crash Craddock, Donna Fargo, Ronnie McDowell, Janie Fricke . . . I could go on and on. They take artists that had 20 to 50 top ten hit singles over the years and play the same damn 7 or 8 over and over and over and over again. It is absolutely ridiculous to defend that. Repetition is good on a current hit based station. I would expect to hear "Photograph" by Nickelback every few hours on Sirius Hits 1. I would expect to hear "Boulevard Of Broken Dreams" every few hours on the Pulse. I would expect to hear "You're Like Comin' Home" by Lonestar every few hours on New Country. That is acceptable. Repetition on streams that only play gold-based title is nothing more than annoying and should not be defeneded, especially when there is so much more depth that should be expected from Prime Country and the Roadhouse.
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I agree Phil. Especially on classic country streams, where the big artists churned out top hits one after another, you could play these folks in heavy rotation for hours and days, and barely have to repeat. And you wouldn't need to scrape into obscure stuff at all.
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when i was a listener, when i switched away from gold, the roadhouse was a station i tried. i had hoped it would be for more of the older country. but it was unbelievably horrible at repetitions. i guess things havent changed much. perhaps sirius just does not have much direction in the country music field ?
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"I could go on and on."

>>I have no doubt you could. More proof that my previous posts in this thread were right on the money.

"They take artists that had 20 to 50 top ten hit singles over the years and play the same damn 7 or 8 over and over and over and over again. It is absolutely ridiculous to defend that."

>>Sorry, but your straw man argument fails. They don't play the "same damn 7 or 8 over and over and over and over again". So I wasn't defending what you falsely claim I was.

"I've been going crazy over hearing the same songs over and over again by artists on the Roadhouse / Prime Country. There are so many great classic country songs by artists from the 70s and 80s that were huge hits, but it seems like the same ones are always played over and over."

>>More proof you don't know what you're talking about. Virtually none of the ten artists you listed in your initial post are classified as "classic" (i.e. "traditional") country artists. The best description of their music would be "adult contemporary country-pop" (i.e. "phony country for those who don't know what real country is").

The Sirius website states that the Roadhouse plays "Classic country songs from legendary county artists...like Merle Haggard, Dolly Parton, Waylon Jennings, Tammy Wynette, Conway Twitty, Patsy Cline and more. Legendary music from the Hall of Fame to the Grand Ole Opry... it's what real country music is made of. What we play: Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, George Jones, and many more."

So that's the reason why you don't hear many of the songs by the glorified pop singers you listed on the Roadhouse--most of their music doesn't belong there! Much of their alleged "country" music was heavily influenced by rock and pop, and boy does it show.

Anybody who thinks "Don't it make my brown eyes blue" and "I love a rainy night" belongs on a CLASSIC country channel, needs their head examined.
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Absolutely I do believe "Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue" and "I Love A Rainy Night" belong on a classic country station. I would define country at whatever time to be what is on the Billboard Top Country Singles chart. Let's go back 20 years (November 16, 1985) and look at the Billboard top 20 country singles:

1> Hang On To Your Heart / Exile
2> I'll Never Stop Loving You / Gary Morris
3> Too Much On My Heart / Statler Brothers
4> I Don't Mind The Thorns (If You're The Rose) / Lee Greenwood
5> This Ain't Dallas / Hank Williams Jr.
6> Can't Keep A Good Man Down / Alabama
7> Nobody Falls Like A Fool / Earl Thomas Conley
8> Lie To You For Your Love / Bellamy Brothers
9> Doncha / T.G. Sheppard
10> Stand Up / Mel McDaniel
11> The Chair / George Strait
12> I Wanna Say Yes / Louise Mandrell
13> Have Mercy / Judds
14> You Make Me Feel Like A Man / Ricky Skaggs
15> Desperados Waiting For A Train / Highwaymen
16> Me And Paul / Willie Nelson
17> Angel In Your Arms / Barbara Mandrell
18> Somebody Else's Fire / Janie Fricke
19> If The Phone Doesn't Ring It's Me / Jimmy Buffett
20> Betty's Bein' Bad / Sawyer Brown

Out of the top 20 songs from this week 20 years ago, only 5 of them have been played at all on Sirius in the past month. "Lie To You For You Love" is played on the Roadhouse; "The Chair" and "Have Mercy" have been played on Prime Country; "Me And Paul" has been played on Outlaw Country, and the Jimmy Buffett song has been played on Radio Margaritaville. So let's examine the rest of the music on here they are not playing:

Exile - Hang On To Your Heart; Gary Morris - I'll Never Stop Loving You - - - - Yes, this would fit your definition of Adult Contemporary-based country music, HOWEVER, that is what country music was for a good share of the 80s and 90s, and for that matter still is today. New Country (and country radio in general) doesn't ignore Lonestar, Shania Twain, and Keith Urban because their music is more pop leaning. As a matter of fact, I think "You'll Think Of Me" by Keith Urban is one of the ten biggest AC hits of the year, so should country radio ignore it? My answer is no. Should radio in ten years ignore his music? No. Should radio twenty years from now ignore it? No. The same goes for artists like Exile and Gary Morris. You need to keep them in the mix at a classic country station. How do you justify very "country" artists like the Statler Brothers and Hank Williams Jr. and Alabama having songs in the top 10 that have not been played ever on Sirius? "Stand Up" by Mel McDaniel is a great rockin' country song, and if you play "Louisiana Saturday Night" and "Baby's Got Her Blue Jeans On" why would you not play "Stand Up"?

The bottom line is there are way more great country songs from the 70s and 80s that are not getting played at Sirius than are getting played. Sirius needs to open up their playlists on the country streams, because their country comes off way worse than any of their pop or rock streams so.
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Phil it looks like you and I both need our head examined.

I agree with your post and I feel you are right on. There is a ton of Country music missing from SIRIUS and anyone that believes otherwise really don't have a clue about country music.
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DAB and Phil (sounds like a drywall repair technique, doesn't it?),

I absolutely, 100%, with no reservation or qualification agree with you. Phil, you did a fantastic job of illustrating your point so that only the most anal retentive, argumentative, pseudointellectual tool-head could think of disagreement.

I have listened to Country Music off and on since 1972. (Currently I am off of modern play music until the supermodels and rockstar wannabe refugees go somewhere else.) One of my greatest delights is being reintroduced to great music I had forgotten (like Bobby Bare and Janie Fricke), or hearing songs I remember, but hadn't heard in decades.

I got all of that the first month I got Sirius.

The Roadhouse music list was obviously developed months or years ago, then delivered into the hands of a non-Country-Music-lover.

Classic Country, like any other type of oldie, takes us back in time. Unfortunately, the Roadhouse only gives us a short, well-defined trail instead of the interesting country backroads that it could be.
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