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Old 04-29-2004, 09:26 AM   #1
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Default How does free internet radio compare to Sirius online?

Other people have once said to me that you don't need to pay for online radio because you can get free online radio from places like Yahoo, etc...

how would you guys say the free online radio compares to Sirius's online streaming? better quality, better music, etc?

You can imagine these comments came from XM users that don't have free online radio listening through XM... they were just saying like "who needs it" when it's free online at places like Yahoo, etc.

just wondering what others thought about the free internet radio out there and how good it is compared to Sirius online streaming?
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Old 04-29-2004, 10:01 AM   #2
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I've been using Sirius' free 3 day pass to listen online. I'd say that you can pretty much find anyone on Sirius out there on the net...but I haven't found one online destination that has everything in one place. Plus the quality of the stream is better in other places. If Sirius could get up the streaming quality a bit, they have a one stop place and could possibly charge for it.
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Old 04-29-2004, 10:14 AM   #3
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Well to be honest, there are some internet radios that offer a bit more than Sirius or XM. Some streams with better quality like at last 64k or sometimes 128k. One good example is Live 365. Live 365 simply kicks ass! They have some of the *best* techno/dance and stuff there. Lots and lots of channels and they all sound a helluva lot better than the stream off Sirius and it's free. Just remember though, that the higher bitrate you stream, the more bandwith you use up.

There's also some free ones in iTunes that you can also stream off at 128k.
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Old 04-29-2004, 10:50 AM   #4
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I was just checking out the Yahoo internet radio... you know the LAUNCHcast radio... that sounds very good, and has loads of streams... anybody else here use it and would like to comment on it versus Sirius?

if I am correct, there really is NO WAY to get internet radio into your car is there? because if this was the case... satellite companies like XM and Sirius are probably going to fade away in the future I would think if people can just stream FREE internet radio into their cars...
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I think the Sirius streams heard on the internet are better than "free streams" from other sources like Yahoo, because of the live djs. I need a live voice on the other end every so often. Some people don't like the djs--but I find them to be somewhat comforting and soothing.
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I think the Sirius streams heard on the internet are better than "free streams" from other sources like Yahoo, because of the live djs. I need a live voice on the other end every so often. Some people don't like the djs--but I find them to be somewhat comforting and soothing.
That's true. Live 365 is more like XM in a way. Just play music, they have no DJ's. The only thing you hear is a quick advertisement about Live 365 itself, that's it!
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so where does the music come from for the free internet streams.. there has to be somebody there controlling the playlist correct?
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Are you serious... XM doesn't have any live DJ's at all on their streams? That's sorta ridiculous isn't it? I never knew that..
on their webpage they have all this info about their in house studios and live guests coming in to perform live, etc... so how DON'T they have live dj's etc to coordinate all of this?

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I think the Sirius streams heard on the internet are better than "free streams" from other sources like Yahoo, because of the live djs. I need a live voice on the other end every so often. Some people don't like the djs--but I find them to be somewhat comforting and soothing.
That's true. Live 365 is more like XM in a way. Just play music, they have no DJ's. The only thing you hear is a quick advertisement about Live 365 itself, that's it!
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I used to program streams at Live365 - some are programmed, others are simply in shuffle mode
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Are you serious... XM doesn't have any live DJ's at all on their streams? That's sorta ridiculous isn't it? I never knew that..
on their webpage they have all this info about their in house studios and live guests coming in to perform live, etc... so how DON'T they have live dj's etc to coordinate all of this?
No, I never said XM didn't have live DJ's. I said XM was somewhat like Live 365. There was some stuff that went wrong with the company that used to cooperate with XM that ended up losing most of their DJ's. I think they are in the process of actually hiring some DJ's to come back and work for XM directly. Right now there are alot of channels that just play music without DJ's talking or anything just like Live 365. It's going to change soon.
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what i don't understand is the more and more I look into the features of Sirius versus XM, the more and more appealing Sirius looks... but for some reason XM has SOOOO many more subscribers.. and seems to be advertised much more on the radio and tv than Sirius is..

now why is this? if Sirius is the better network, why does XM have so many more subscribers?
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Well to be honest, there are some internet radios that offer a bit more than Sirius or XM. Some streams with better quality like at last 64k or sometimes 128k. One good example is Live 365. Live 365 simply kicks ass! They have some of the *best* techno/dance and stuff there. Lots and lots of channels and they all sound a helluva lot better than the stream off Sirius and it's free. Just remember though, that the higher bitrate you stream, the more bandwith you use up.

There's also some free ones in iTunes that you can also stream off at 128k.
Interesting comments, especially since I kind of tangentially touched on the same idea in the thread "List of terrestrial repeater locations?" What prompted my second question in that thread was that I've had a couple folks, who've seen my Sirius set-up and heard the streaming Sirius internet music, express an interest in subscribing to Sirius streaming (only). They don't seem to be concerned with the Sirius stream quality; rather, they like the programming better than what's presently streaming for free via the other venues and are willing to pay a reduced rate for that privilege.

But, like you said, Live365 for ~ $3.50/month with no self-serving commercials and without any connection limits is pretty attractive...especially since some of the streams are near CD quality. And if you use a Mac, the software Radio365 is just slick as a whistle. No more having to capture the song name and artist at the start of the cut. The Radio365 software displays that info continuously.

As I said in the thread referenced above, Live365 and the others may have already frozen Sirius out of any possible expansion into that segment of the market.
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Old 04-29-2004, 11:53 AM   #13
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but why would Sirius want to go into the internet streaming market? I don't think they care really about that, I think they are more about getting sat. radio into people's cars and on the go like into boomboxes and stuff..

after all, that's the main reason I even decided to get sat. radio.. if I wanted it JUST for my computer or home, I would have just used the FREE online streaming stuff..

the scary thing is, when they come out with a good and cheap solution to get FREE streaming internet radio into your cars or into portable players, then I dont' see how Sirius or XM would survive because people would just go the internet route for free once they buy the hardware.. but currently I don't know if it's possbile to get internet streaming music in your car, etc at a good quality..
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what i don't understand is the more and more I look into the features of Sirius versus XM, the more and more appealing Sirius looks... but for some reason XM has SOOOO many more subscribers.. and seems to be advertised much more on the radio and tv than Sirius is..

now why is this? if Sirius is the better network, why does XM have so many more subscribers?
Oh, don't get me wrong, XM is still a great service! But you have to remember that XM has alot more subscribers for the simple fact that they came out first. They have a year head start than Sirius. Another thing I believe people go to XM rather than Sirius is the price. A good example is like myself. I bought XM for my mother's birthday and had it installed in her 2000 expedition last month. Why did I choose XM? Because of the price. Why you ask? Because I had that mind of "Why pay for radio when you can get it for free?" ie: FM. XM was cheap, period. Rather than paying alot more for Sirius and finding out I didn't like it, or my mom didn't like it, I'd be pretty pissed for spending all that money just to have it cancelled later on.

But, ever since I got XM, I've been very pleased with them. Yes XM doesn't offer free online streaming like Sirius. Big deal? That's another reason why XM is $9.99 and not $12.99. Saves a few dollars there for not streaming. Another thing is that the equipment from XM, in my opinion, looks better and has acceptable sizes unlike the gigantic titanic JVC thing available here. A good example is the Roady and the Commander. Sirius' PNP2 is just a little too big, and the Clarion is about right, but that cradle needs to go and they need to improve the screen on all the units including the PNP2, Clarion, etc. The screen moving and the text getting blurring just isn't my thing, but I feel like that's not too much of a big deal because I'll spend the time listening to the music, not sitting there reading the text all the time. Much like the iPod.

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what i don't understand is the more and more I look into the features of Sirius versus XM, the more and more appealing Sirius looks... but for some reason XM has SOOOO many more subscribers.. and seems to be advertised much more on the radio and tv than Sirius is..

now why is this? if Sirius is the better network, why does XM have so many more subscribers?
GM owns a large share of XM, and they push the service because they get a sweatheart deal with revenue sharing and cash payments from XM. GM has installed well over 1 million cars with XM and offer free trial periods. These trial periods count as subscribers. And Honda is now doing similar things and they also own a good chunk of XM stock. The word of mouth advertising then kicks in for adding subs.

On the other hand, Sirius OEMs are not as aggressive with installing satellite radio for reasons only they can explain. Ford is the biggest disappointment. Chrysler has been good and is now getting better offering to install a minimum of 550k units by June of 2006. I expect that BMW and Mercedes will also contribute nicely in the next model year.

Now the 2nd biggest reason is advertising. XM spends much more on advertising than Sirius. While I wished Sirius would advertise more, they may be taking a different approach and buying content that sells well with the money they would use on TV ads. I think they also realize it would be best to wait for Walmart and Radio Shack to have product on the shelf to get the best return on the advertising dollar.

I wouldn't let the disparity in subs concern you, because you are getting a much richer product for your money with Sirius. The sales in retail stores are quickly catching up with XM which is amazing considering they have many more mouths to sell their service. I knnow some would rather validate their purchase by the fact that more people picked that service, but when you look at how they have grown their base, it is clear that GM/Honda are the biggest reasons.
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