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Old 07-30-2005, 09:46 AM   #1
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If we can't have them all on the Satellite, why not stream some of the lost channels as well as some new one's to test them and see what people want on the satellite?

Bring back Vacation, Soundscapes, Express, and some other and see how many people are streaming them vs some of the others. I know that Sirius can't tell what we are listening to on the satellite, but they can tell what we are streaming.

Make some of the channels online only.
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Old 07-30-2005, 02:01 PM   #2
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Always have thought this was a great idea, not sure why they haven't yet. Like you said it would be an excellent way to test channels out, and it would be cool to hear some of the lost favorites!
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Would this be economically viable? They'de have to produce the channels, at the same cost as if they were on satellite, for a limited audience. Unless this would contribute to Sirus' bottom line, it ain't gonna happen.

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XM does it......so why not Sirius? Just for the effect of testing out certain programming, it would seem to be worthwhile.
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Would this be economically viable? They'de have to produce the channels, at the same cost as if they were on satellite, for a limited audience. Unless this would contribute to Sirus' bottom line, it ain't gonna happen.

Sorry to burst your bubble with a reality check!
I don't think the reason we have 65 music channels is because that is all that they can produce, I think it has more to do with the fact thats all they can fit.

The DJ's for the most part aren't live, they just come in and tape the intros, so I think that they could, and should do it.
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If we can't have them all on the Satellite, why not stream some of the lost channels as well as some new one's to test them and see what people want on the satellite?

Bring back Vacation, Soundscapes, Express, and some other and see how many people are streaming them vs some of the others. I know that Sirius can't tell what we are listening to on the staellite, but they can tell what we are streaming.

Make some of the channels online only.
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Would this be economically viable? They'de have to produce the channels, at the same cost as if they were on satellite, for a limited audience. Unless this would contribute to Sirus' bottom line, it ain't gonna happen.
It may not happen, but it won't be for the reasons you stated. They already have these guys on payroll and they won't have to pay them a penny more to program a few more channels, so your reality isn't reality at all. LOL

I too see no reason whatsoever for them not doing this, it is working out GREAT for XM.
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I really don't wanna see it, for this reason: They can become like XM and just dump stuff on there they wanna drop and say "hey, why do you wanna cancel your subscription when you can get XMLM, or Special X, or OTR online?" They talk that up like it's the best thing since sliced bread. It's satellite radio, not ONLINE radio. Besides, the online-only XM channels are TERRIBLE. No jocks, no personality. Now, if Sirius was....say comtemplating adding something, like, say, a Cinemagic type channel, I'd be all for that. But, taking something like say....Horizons or something and sticking it online only would suck badly. BTW, who the hell invented sliced bread anyway? It's like George Carlin said, you've got bread, you've got a knife, slice the F*cking Thing!
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Yeah, I agree that it's a cost factor and not a limitation on bandwidth. I mean, that's a communication satellite that they're using. Those can usually handle several thousand if not millions of separate 2 way streams. And the last time I checked, my tuner will go as high as 223 and an update from Sirius may get it as high as 999. So I'm sure that Sirius has plenty of bandwidth to cover all of those deleted streams with no problem at all.
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Yeah, I agree that it's a cost factor and not a limitation on bandwidth. I mean, that's a communication satellite that they're using. Those can usually handle several thousand if not millions of separate 2 way streams. And the last time I checked, my tuner will go as high as 223 and an update from Sirius may get it as high as 999. So I'm sure that Sirius has plenty of bandwidth to cover all of those deleted streams with no problem at all.
The FCC limits the bandwidth that both XM and SIRIUS can use, so it is a limitation of bandwidth.
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The FCC limits the bandwidth that both XM and SIRIUS can use, so it is a limitation of bandwidth.
The FCC authorized broadcast rights in the microwave S-band at 2.3 GHz. The bandwidth is going to be determined by the bitstream rate on that frequency. And then the number of streams will depend on their compression algorithms. I'm not sure about their bitstream rate or their compression methods, but I highly doubt that Sirius has maxed it out.
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a noble thought, but then sirius' programming costs increase (since tehy have to program all the new channels as well as the old ones). gotta pay licensing fees on all that stuff, too ...
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Reasons why they may not do it?

1. Audience (apparently people seem not to really like these channels too much).
2. There is an incremental cost for streaming which is not there with the satellite (i.e. each additional listener costs you fixed amount of money that correllates to how much they listen)
3. You still need to pay someone/someones to voice and program that channel
4. You need to have the hardware to support said channel (And depending on what your business wants, you may have to get redundant hardware)
5. You need to have space to put that hardware. (may or may not be an issue, but it can be)
6. You need to pay someone to maintain that hardware. (this is probably not that big of a deal, but still, it's another set of boxes to maintain which can increase your maintenance costs)
7. Issues around marketing channels that are available online but not on satellite.

So "free and relatively easy to put onto internet" becomes an issue when you look at the fact that streaming isn't really all that "free" when it comes down to brass tacks.
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But, taking something like say....Horizons or something and sticking it online only would suck badly.
So you'd prefer for channels to disappear completely rather than being available online?

That just doesn't make any sense to me. How can that be better?
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If Sirius wasn't already streaming online, I could see how this might be too expensive. But since they already have all of the music channels online, I doubt adding three or four stations would be that much more. As far as DJs, they wouldn't necessarily need them. I can't remember right now, but I think XM's online only channels has pre-recorded bumpers, but not actual DJ chatter.
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