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Old 08-12-2005, 03:47 PM   #31
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well XM and Sirius are in a bidding war for the rights to broadcast the CFL....

yes...the CFL...
I heard that prices paid for the CFL will be surprisingly similar to the NFL. The biggest similarity is that Sirius pays $188 million for 7 years with the NFL, and they will pay $188 for 7 years with the CFL...
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Old 08-12-2005, 05:01 PM   #32
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Why should any subscriber be forced to put up with Men Without Hats, Saga, Anne Murray, or The Crash Test Dummies?
HEY!

I like Men Without Hats and The Crash Test Dummies. I would say piss off in Yiddish or something but I don't even know what the heck font that would be.
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well XM and Sirius are in a bidding war for the rights to broadcast the CFL....

yes...the CFL...
I heard that prices paid for the CFL will be surprisingly similar to the NFL. The biggest similarity is that Sirius pays $188 million for 7 years with the NFL, and they will pay $188 for 7 years with the CFL...
I found some info on the CFL deal

http://www.byrnesmedia.com/News/Augu...cflcsrbid.html

CFL KICKS AROUND $1 MILLION RADIO BID

Canadian Satellite Radio seeks exclusive out-of-market rights

Rick Westhead – Toronto Star

The Canadian Football League is considering a five-year, $1 million contract offer tabled by a satellite-radio broadcaster that would allow fans of three-down football to listen to games anywhere from Canada's Far North to the Florida Keys.

If the league's board of governors approve the watershed deal, CFL fans wouldn't have to wait long for the new technology. Canadian Satellite Radio Holdings Inc., which has ties to XM Satellite Radio Inc., wants to begin to carry CFL broadcasts this season, the Toronto Star has learned.

The broadcaster has offered to pay the league $25,000 this year, $75,000 next year and up to $300,000 each season thereafter through 2010.

Canadian Satellite Radio Holdings would become the exclusive out-of-market radio broadcast partner of the league through the 2010 season, according to the satellite broadcaster's offer.

The Canadian Satellite Radio Holdings offer comes after CFL Commissioner Tom Wright confirmed in June that the league had already met with representatives of XM Satellite Radio and its rival, Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. Wright said at the time that the league hoped to score a contract worth at least $100,000 a season.

Sirius also has tabled an offer to the CFL, although it doesn't include a rights fee, according to a person familiar with its offer.

While $1 million over five-plus seasons would represent another source of revenue for an often cash-strapped league, it's uncertain how the offer would be received by CFL teams, several of whom already enjoy lucrative local radio rights agreements.

The Saskatchewan Roughriders, for instance, generate as much as $400,000 a year in cash and another $100,000 worth of promotional exposure from local radio, according to a CFL source.

"Why would teams like Saskatchewan ever approve a league deal that doesn't pay that much? The XM deal will be sent back," the source said. "The only way digital radio works is if you black it out in the local markets, or if the cash is a lot more than the local deals."

Under terms of the Canadian Satellite Radio Holdings offer, the league would be responsible for all production costs of all its regular-season games, as well as for a weekly highlights show, all playoff game and the Grey Cup final. The broadcaster would obtain the right to use the league's team logos and trademarks in its advertising and marketing, and has asked for 1,000 tickets to each CFL game and to the Grey Cup.

The broadcaster has asked the league to place its ads on game programs, on the back of tickets and on in-stadium signs. The CFL has also been asked to equip radio antennas and receivers in each team's clubhouses, offices and locker rooms.

Canadian Satellite Radio Holdings' offer comes in the wake of a decision by the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission to grant licences to the Canadian divisions of both Sirius and XM Radio.

A recent survey ordered by New York-based Sirius said the Canadian market may eclipse $200 million a year by 2010. The Sirius study suggested nearly 4 million Canadians would be interested in satellite radio.

Several major sports leagues already have embraced satellite radio.

In December 2003, the National Football League signed a seven-year contract with Sirius that paid the league a reported $188 million (U.S.) in cash and $32 million in Sirius stock. That agreement also called for Sirius to become one of the NFL's main corporate sponsors, and the radio providers would likely seek a similar arrangement with the CFL, a team official said.

Last year, XM signed an even more lucrative deal with Major League Baseball that might pay as much as $650 million over 11 years. XM has agreed to pay $470 million over eight years, and baseball has an option to extend the contract a further three years.

A satellite radio contract would allow the CFL to reach new fans, particularly those outside built-up urban centres.

Sirius and XM had 4.6 million U.S. subscribers in 2004 and that is expected to double this year. XM, which, like Sirius, is required to have a Canadian partner because of foreign ownership rules, has an agreement with Canadian restaurateur John Bitove, a former owner of basketball's Toronto Raptors.

The Canadian Broadcasting Corp. and Toronto's Standard Broadcasting Inc. have partnered with Sirius.
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I'm actually hopeful that one or two of the Canadian stations will be available here in the US. Heck, we have British music and news, why not Canadian?
From the SiriusRadioCanada website:

"American audiences will have access to a further perspective on Canada and Canadian values through the insightful news and public affairs programming of CBC Radio One and Première Chaîne de Radio-Canada."
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Really? How much less could you care?
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That "Canadian Content" clause is stupid! Who cares if the music is Canadian, or American, Australian, etc.... If the music is good, play it. If it sucks, dump it! Why should any subscriber be forced to put up with Men Without Hats, Saga, Anne Murray, or The Crash Test Dummies? The criteria should be "TALENT", not some insecure, jingoistic agenda.
Exactly!

The funny thing about all of this is that most Canadians don't even want Canadian content.
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Exactly!

The funny thing about all of this is that most Canadians don't even want Canadian content.

thats not true at all. Thats like saying americans dont want american content or mexicans dont want mexican content. People want what entertains them whether it be canadian or american. The CRTC is bound by the Cancon law that they have to abide by when granting any broadcasting rights in Canada. Nobody can blame the CRTC they dont make these decisions for the fun of it. Its the Cancon law that forces them to make these decisions. I'm sure if this law didnt exist the CRTC wouldnt require canadian content at all on either satellite company
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Really? How much less could you care?
haha I love when people point this error in grammer out!
24karat : "you could not care less" :P
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The funny thing about all of this is that most Canadians don't even want Canadian content.
I'm Canadian and it's not that I don't want Canadian content it's just that on Sirius its redundant. The whole idea behind Satellite radio was to offer content that was "in addition" to AM/FM. What's the point of having CBC Radio 1 when I can easily switch to AM and pick it up on 990AM?

Besides, the practice of promoting "Cancon" is usually just a front to promote the interests of Canadian media companies like "Canwest Global" or "Chum" who wouldn't be able to compete in an open market. These companies play the Cancon card in order to gain favour in the market, that's all, not due to some sort of deep-felt adoration of Canadian artists. The ONLY canadian content worth anything comes from the CBC, most other media companies in Canada are simply rebroadcasters that purchase american media which is dumped on the market in this country and merely rebroadcast with Canadian commercials. I think American listeners will enjoy CBC Radio One because its genuinely a good station, similar to NPR or the BBC World Service. Most of the other Canadian stations will be just "filler" to appease the regulators here (which is basically what all commercial radio stations are in Canada). Most commercial radio stations in Canada do what they "have to" to do the minimum amount to fit within regulations while trying to import the cheapest imported product they can.
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...plus, anything that Canada does is usually inferior to the US version in some way.....except for the beer....we own you when it comes to beer!
Dude! I with you on the beer. Rickards Red RULES!
As for other stuff... I own a Dodge Truck that was made where all good trucks are made: Canada. Wait... that can't be right!
BTW... did you catch any footage of the last shuttle mission where one of the guys was hitched to the arm. Right there on the arm, in BIG LETTERS... Canada (with a red maple leaf).
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I'm Canadian and it's not that I don't want Canadian content it's just that on Sirius its redundant. The whole idea behind Satellite radio was to offer content that was "in addition" to AM/FM. What's the point of having CBC Radio 1 when I can easily switch to AM and pick it up on 990AM?
Maybe you can just switch to AM to get CBC, but lots of us can't. Two months of the year I am at recreational property where the only CBC I can get is by shortwave. And it needs to be after sunset to get passable reception. That means I can hardly even hear "The World At Six" because it comes on before sunset.

In my previous job I drove extensively around BC. I was hunting and pecking for CBC as I drove around.

When I go to the US or Mexico, forget about getting CBC now. Hopefully things will be different in a few months.

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The ONLY canadian content worth anything comes from the CBC, most other media companies in Canada are simply rebroadcasters that purchase american media which is dumped on the market in this country and merely rebroadcast with Canadian commercials. Most commercial radio stations in Canada do what they "have to" to do the minimum amount to fit within regulations while trying to import the cheapest imported product they can.
And that is the point of Cancon regulations. It is cheaper for Canadian broadcasters to purchase pre-packaged foreign content than to develop Canadian content. They are in the business of making money, not in the business of developing Canadian culture. They will only promote Canadian culture if required to. Otherwise they will maximize profit.

Cancon regulations require them to purchase Canadian product for broadcast. This funds the Canadian music industry, resulting in the development of Canadian talent.

People "blah blah" about how artists should be played if they are good as if the world is a perfect place. If talented artists automatically became successful, Lenny Breau would be a household word and no one would have heard of Jessica Simpson.

Historically, artists had patrons who supported their work. Cancon regulations ensure that those who profit from the work of artists provide support to Canadian artists, not just to the cheapest time-fillers.
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Right now the CBC is in the middle of a labor dispute, having locked out Approx 5500 workers last night. Until this is settled, I have the feeling nothing is gonna happen on the Sirius Canada front.
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And that is the point of Cancon regulations. It is cheaper for Canadian broadcasters to purchase pre-packaged foreign content than to develop Canadian content. They are in the business of making money, not in the business of developing Canadian culture. They will only promote Canadian culture if required to. Otherwise they will maximize profit.

Cancon regulations require them to purchase Canadian product for broadcast. This funds the Canadian music industry, resulting in the development of Canadian talent.

People "blah blah" about how artists should be played if they are good as if the world is a perfect place. If talented artists automatically became successful, Lenny Breau would be a household word and no one would have heard of Jessica Simpson.

Historically, artists had patrons who supported their work. Cancon regulations ensure that those who profit from the work of artists provide support to Canadian artists, not just to the cheapest time-fillers.
I think you kind of missed the point I was trying to make. Fundamentally I completely agree with you that Cancon is good from the point of view that Amercan product shouldn't be dumped on the market. But my point is that it's silly to actually expect private corporations like Canwest or Chum to uphold Cancon if that's what we want. We should actually FUND the CBC and the notion of public service broadcasting rather than the CRTC washing it's hands of the responsibility of television/radio production by actually believing that somehow companies like Chum and Canwest will want to do it, they won't!
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But my point is that it's silly to actually expect private corporations like Canwest or Chum to uphold Cancon if that's what we want. We should actually FUND the CBC and the notion of public service broadcasting rather than the CRTC washing it's hands of the responsibility of television/radio production by actually believing that somehow companies like Chum and Canwest will want to do it, they won't!
The difficulty I would see with that model is that there would effectively be only one producer or supplier of Cancon. I think it is better to have more producers.

I think that if they are required to provide Cancon, they will find it to be in their own interests to provide good Cancon. With other broadcasters being required to air Cancon, they then have an interest in promoting their Cancon to draw viewers/listeners and of high enough quality to maintain market share. For example, in television, CTV, Global, etc. produce Cancon and want to get the maximum revenues from those time slots.

While others may have different opinions, my wife and I are kind of taken by Corner Gas (me having been born in Saskatchewan). I thought Train 48 was innovative, entertaining, and technically impressive. (Train 48 was a humorous improvisational drama produced daily based on that day's news events and the daily lives of the characters on a commuter train.) Red Green, Cold Squad, Trailer Park Boys, etc. Good Canadian productions, by non-CBC media.
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