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Old 08-30-2005, 08:04 PM   #46
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I have the following setup:

Pioneer AVIC-D1, Sirius Connect SIR-PNR1, and Pioneer GEX-P910XM. The speakers used are Infinity Kappa 60.5cs component speakers in the front, Infinity Reference 6000is in the rear, an an Infinity Kappa Perfect 10VQ subwoofer.

Overall, the audio quality to me is perceived in this order.
CDs, MP3 CDs, FM, XM, Sirius, AM.

I hear the occasional artifact in MP3s played back, which ranks them below CDs. FM sounds clean and crisp, with great stereo seperation and dynamic range, for stations which provide it.

XM sounds clean and crisp, with better stereo seperation on many channels than FM, however other channels sound not as good. There are artifacts noted in the vocals on some channels, and they can sound tinny at times. XM has full, clean bass.

Sirius sounds as if it is lacking dynamic range, as well as stereo seperation. Some stations sound significantly better than others, however Sirius's best sounding stations do not sound as good to me XM's best. Sirius's vocals, however, are clear and natural, except for a bit of semblance. Sirius's instrumentals however sound full of compression artifacts. A feeling of "woosh, the audio is unbalanced and sometimes mono" is felt by me while I listen to many of those channels. Sirius's bass response tends to be a little boomy.

AM - Needs no explanation, but some of the talk stations sound better than Sirius's talk stations, but not quite what XM has.

Either the Sirius Connect sucks, or audio quality should be improved a little. I am really fearing for the net addition of channels on September 29th where quality will go.
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Old 08-30-2005, 11:52 PM   #47
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To start my post "on topic".

I posted elsewhere earlier tonight that I am completely ignorant to everyone out there who can pick out that a cymbill (sp??) crashing sounds much worse on Sirius than FM as I have never been so in to music that I craved and desired to listen to music as if I was sitting in the same room as the band that is playing the music. I also was deprived all of my life and was only able to listen to FM and AM, and the occasional 8-track. I got into CD's around college time and every time I listened to the music (from whichever source), I have been happy with my listening experience.

So from my standpoint, when I listen to Sirius, I will have to fall into the category of "it is good enough for me" (which I guess is now off topic).

Authur, I am sorry that I do not have the technical knowledge to know for sure that at whatever bitrate that Sirius has their output set at, it is lower than FM and therefore sounds worse (nor do I want to spend one second wasting my time to verify this stated fact). If you want me to agree with you. I will.....ok..sirius sound quality is worse than fm.....(I base that solely on you telling me that the facts are there and this is true).

Now to "off-topic" topics. When I signed up for Sirius, I never remember being promised sound quality that was better than FM. I was promised a great mix of content. NFL football games from every home radio station, NFL channel, commercial free music channels, etc. Then again, if they did promise the sound quality was better than FM, I missed it and really do not care.

To sum it up.. I am one of those I like it the way it is....do not realize what I am missing....it would be great if they increased it, but really do not care if they do because I prefer the large amounts of content choice over sound quality every day.

Just my two cents (which in the amount of time it took to type this has been deflated to one cent due to the massive amounts of national debt we are racking up every second).
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Old 08-31-2005, 09:11 AM   #48
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Arthur;
I am also one of those in "the sound is good enough for me" catagory. How "the sound is good enough for me" is not relevant to the topic of "sound" puzzles me? Seems very ON TOPIC to me.
Anyway, most of us feel this way, and I don't feel that the "good enough for me" statement "spreads incorrect information" at all. We are simply saying that we like what we have.
The solution is simple. If you are so ultra-picky about sound quality, and you don't like Sirius or satellite radio at all; then LEAVE!!! No one is forcing you to subscribe or like it. Most others don't mind the sound imperfections (which ARE minimal), and if the MAJORITY of people don't mind, IT AIN"T GONNA' CHANGE!! So why waste your time. Either accept it for what it is or move on. Simple as that.
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Old 08-31-2005, 10:27 AM   #49
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IT AIN"T GONNA' CHANGE!! Simple as that.
And that is why it WON'T ever change, because you people come on here and say, "Hey it's GOOD ENOUGH for me."

Good enough isn't what I demand from companies that provide me a service.

I'd like excellent, please.

I suppose there are other threads that I have not found where the censorship outcry is getting the same responses from you guys?

"Hey, if you don't like the beeps in your songs, well, then you can just LEAVE!"

Do I hear any of that? No, because you want to keep the service, but you'd like to change it FROM WITHIN to something you'd like even more.

Do you not see the common bond the no censorship camp shares with the better sound quality camp?

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Old 08-31-2005, 10:36 AM   #50
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Do you not see the common bond the no censorship camp shares with the better sound quality camp?

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The difference here is that the sound quality has ALWAYS been like this. You knew what you were getting into when you purchased it, or at least shortly after. Censorship however is a completely new development, and is a turnaround from the previous level of service we as subscribers had been getting. So no, there is no common bond.

And no, the sound quality won't change, because it's not just us, it's most of America who is fine with the quality. I'll use DirecTV as an example. Folks are complaining all the time about their supposed "HD Lite" because they don't allocate the proper bandwidth for HD and instead compress it. Most of America doesn't notice, because it's still better than what they have locally. Same with Sirius and XM. People really don't notice. And that's the technology. If you don't like it, don't buy it.. simple as that. If you want excellent, look at something else. What you get from mass market services like this is "good enough" not excellent. You will never get excellent from any service like this where the bottom line and shareholder value is important.
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Do you not see the common bond the no censorship camp shares with the better sound quality camp?

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You knew what you were getting into when you purchased it, or at least shortly after.
Its the shortly thereafter that is troublesome, after entering into a CONTRACT with this company. Who knew that it would sound worse than an internet stream.

Let this be a warning to anyone reading this board thinking about buying Sirius radio. It won't sound as good as you think it should. Audition it everywhere you can. Go to one of those car dealers that are incahoots with Satellite and listen to those. Think back how that song normally sounds then listen to the Sirius. You will be shocked. Listen to the 'Shhh' S sounds, listen to the highs distort and fade into nothing, listen to the muddy stereo.

Don't do what I did and just buy it, thinking that hey, new technology has to be better than old technology, right?

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Old 08-31-2005, 02:52 PM   #52
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I knocked a frequency band between 7.5kHz and 8.5kHz down -3dB to help alleviate the "Shhhhhhhhhhhirius Shhhhhhhhhatellite Radio" phenomena.

What gets me is that you know they can make a good "s" sound. I've heard it on Sirius before. In fact, once when listening to Big 80s, I heard them say "And now, back to the classicssssssssssssssss." The "ssssssssssssssss" sounded like I was in the same room as the DJ. Shortly thereafter, however, it was back to Shhhhhhhhirius Shhhhhhatellite Radio, Big 80sh.
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Old 08-31-2005, 03:38 PM   #53
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There are always going to be a few whiners who complain about the sound quality.

But as DaJoker correctly pointed out, they are a VERY small minority.

Judging by Sirius's remarkably low churn rate of only about 1.5%, the overwhelming majority of subscribers are quite satisfied with the service.

When CD's first came out, I remember there were gripers who proclaimed that "The sound just isn't as true as Vinyl records". Well, we all know which technology won out.

There were the BetaMax loyalists in the early days of VCR's who groused about the video quality of VHS. Well, we all know which technology won out.

In a few years, barring some unforeseen new technology that displaces satellite radio, both Sirius and XM will have millions more satisfied customers than they do now, and the sound quality complainers will have faded into virtual oblivion.
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Old 08-31-2005, 03:46 PM   #54
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Let this be a warning to anyone reading this board thinking about buying Sirius radio. It won't sound as good as you think it should. Audition it everywhere you can. Go to one of those car dealers that are incahoots with Satellite and listen to those. Think back how that song normally sounds then listen to the Sirius. You will be shocked. Listen to the 'Shhh' S sounds, listen to the highs distort and fade into nothing, listen to the muddy stereo.
Don't do what I did and just buy it, thinking that hey, new technology has to be better than old technology, right?
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Yes. And I'd like to add another advice - when you hear how sat radio sounds and don't like it, do not get fooled by other people - salesmen or members of this forum - telling you that if you use direct connect, another receiver, the future, bla bla bla, sound quality will improve. The service is as it is and there's no room or will on part of XM/Sirius for improvement.
I am a grey market Sirius subscriber in Canada and didn't have any place to audition sat radio before I purchased a Sirius direct connect unit online. Went to numerous web forums, including this one, and was really fooled that I could expect something at least as good as FM. For now the great music selection on some channels makes me keep the service, but every time I switch to FM or play a CD, the next day I'm getting extremely annoyed at reading this "good enough for me" and "almost CD quality" stuff online. If there was a better sound quality mobile digital service, I would have switched this minute. But there's none and unfortunately people who care about sound quality are left without choice.
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In a few years, barring some unforeseen new technology that displaces satellite radio, both Sirius and XM will have millions more satisfied customers than they do now, and the sound quality complainers will have faded into virtual oblivion.
You make it sound like a good thing
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For now the great music selection on some channels makes me keep the service, but every time I switch to FM or play a CD, the next day I'm getting extremely annoyed at reading this "good enough for me" and "almost CD quality" stuff online. If there was a better sound quality mobile digital service, I would have switched this minute. But there's none and unfortunately people who care about sound quality are left without choice.
Actually, you have numerous choices. Since the sound quality issue appears to be causing you a lot of stress, and you apparently have nothing better to do than come to SBS to gripe about it--I recommend the following:

1. Quit whining incessantly like a small child.
2. Cancel your Sirius service.
3. Sell your equipment to a non-whiner.
4. Listen to CD's, MP3's, FM etc. in your vehicle.

See how easy that was!
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You make it sound like a good thing
It WILL be a good thing for the millions of satisfied customers.

The 1% of chronic complainers will simply be ignored and fade into oblivion.
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1. Quit whining incessantly like a small child.
2. Cancel your Sirius service.
3. Sell your equipment to a non-whiner.
4. Listen to CD's, MP3's, FM etc. in your vehicle.
Well, that's the ultimate answer to the question that started the topic. Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Well, that's the ultimate answer to the question that started the topic. Couldn't have said it better myself!
Then what are you waiting for, Arthur?

Call the toll free customer service number now and cancel.

Then you'll have no reason to post at SBS, and you'll be able to get on with your life.

Satellite radio was never intended for people who expect the sound quality of a live performance of the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra.
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Satellite radio was never intended for people who expect the sound quality of a live performance of the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra.
I guess you are right, but very few of us had expected something crappier than FM. Thanks to the kind of "helpful" opinions coming from fans like you.
Anyway, I'll stop crying now , you are right about getting on with the rest of my life. Sorry if I have disturbed your peace of mind.
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