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Old 09-07-2005, 08:21 PM   #121
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I'll say the same thing here I say at XMFan and XM411. The CODEC isn't the whole problem. Half of the problem is the processing that is done BEFORE the audio is fed to the encoders. It is generally accepted that processing on many of the Sirius channels is far more aggressive than on XM. Sirius could improve things somewhat without changing the CODEC by simply turning down the processing. Of course, then listeners would complain that the loudness would vary too much...
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Old 09-07-2005, 09:46 PM   #122
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Of course, then listeners would complain that the loudness would vary too much...
You, I and Sirius all know that whatever Sirius chooses to do--there is always going to be a small minority that just wants to pitch a bitchfest about it.

Sirius is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I have both services, and quite frankly XM's sound doesn't impress me any more than Sirius's. Both are acceptable in my opinion, and definitely better than AM. Anybody who expects to get CD quality sound from either provider at this point in time, needs to have their head examined.

Anybody who bought their own SatRadio subscription should've had the common sense to check around beforehand, and listen for several minutes to see how Sirius sounded on different radios at different retailers.

Anyone who did this KNOWS that SatRadio does NOT have CD quality sound, nor do they claim to. If they listened to it in the store beforehand and still bought it, then they shouldn't be whining about the SQ. Because they KNEW what they were getting, and have nobody to blame but themselves.

It took me all of about ONE minute at Best Buy and Circuit City to figure out that the SQ was not CD quality. At the same time, I also figured out that it was definitely better than AM, and held its own against FM.

You can drive across the country without changing your favorite station, as well as not having to worry about being bombarded with commercials. Try doing that with FM.
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Old 09-07-2005, 11:39 PM   #123
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My, such melodrama! Are you in theatre also, or just comedy?

Your misrepresentation of the arguments of those who disagree is pathetic, not to mention fallacious...
...but unlike you, we're smart enough to contact management and customer service directly....
...You may as well just go shout out your window, like a dog barking at the moon.
Judging from your diatribes - it appears you should be in theatre. Oh my the emotion...
BTW - what makes you think I haven't contacted Sirius directly? (I have many times)

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You act like Sirius can just push a button somewhere and PRESTO, audiophile-quality sound will be ours in an instant.
Eh? Where did you get that idea?

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And nobody feels threatened by your opinion, so get over yourself.
Bravo! Your emotional (and void of any useful information) response gets a standing ovation...

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A significant part of the problem has to do with government restrictions on bandwidth, which is beyond Sirius's control. We would see better SQ and more channels if Sirius had been allotted more. It's my understanding that Sirius was only given half the bandwidth they requested.
Bzzzzzzt....Here are the FACTS:

Since the early 1990's - they knew they had 12.5Mhz. There were originally license slots for 4 satellite services with the FCC setting aside 50Mhz for these licenses. Congress nixed the idea of 4 services...reducing it to 2 (they still only got 12.5Mhz)
REF: http://www.lta.com/res_regulatory/sdars.htm

Originally, Sirius (CDRadio) planned 30 music channels and 20 news/sports channels:
http://web.archive.org/web/199802100...m/listing.html

They quickly upped that count to 100 (50 music / 50 "other"):
From their 10-K shareholder statement:
" As an entertainment company, we intend to design and originate programming on each of our 50 music channels."
http://tinyurl.com/bufht

Today - with the same chipsets Sirius is pushing 65 music, and 55 sports/news/talk channels.

It is abundantly clear to me and others that Sirius (and XM) have pushed their marvelous technology beyond its intended limits - to the point that a significant number of customers and potential customers (albeit a minority) find the sound quality to be disappointing.

I, and many others wish they would reduce the channel count to provide both quality of both sound and content.

Simple concept - sorry it displeases you.
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Old 09-08-2005, 12:47 AM   #124
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RadioSam:

Settle down, Gomer. You're getting over-excited and falsely accusing people of doing the very same things you're doing. Which makes you a hypocrite.

I don't give a rat's hiney about any of the irrelevant factoids you posted. So you wasted your time.

You are in an extreme minority of whiners. The overwhelming majority rules, so you're just SOL.

And numerous posters on this forum who have had Sirius since the very beginning, will tell you that Sirius's SQ has actually gotten BETTER over the last few years---which blows your BS hypothesis about too many additional channels causing the SQ problems right out of the water.

So you're just spitting in the wind by continuing to whine about it here, little miss drama queen.
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Old 09-08-2005, 01:08 AM   #125
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"And they whine incessantly about Sirius SQ."
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Old 09-08-2005, 02:44 AM   #126
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Old 09-08-2005, 06:53 AM   #127
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Actually, I think I'm going to name my next dog Sirius.

I enjoy the content on Sirius. It sounds fine at work through the overhead audio system. It sounds fine in my truck if I'm going 70mph with all four windows down. When I want to listen to it at low levels with low external noise with the windows up, however, is the problem. The thing that keeps me from cancelling Sirius (since I already have XM anyway) is my appreciation for its audio content.

Contacting Sirius support directly hasn't resolved much thus far. I wish XM and Sirius together had full control of 1/2 each the spectrum in the SDARS band.

Send letters to the FCC? Hah. That would help as much as contacting Sirius directly to resolve something they can't just snap their fingers to fix. A lot of people use internet forums to release pressure and exchange feelings about a potential comment. Maybe we need a "Sirius Sound Quality SUCKS" megathread?
I must say contacting sirius directly is like a why bother scenario,I like Siirus but their opinion on customer relations is p-tooey.No email responses that arent pre-written and if you say something,it goes nowhere.
Thats bad ,I own stock and its tellling me ,dump the stock.I'll keep my sub and radio though,
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Old 09-08-2005, 07:31 AM   #128
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What exactly is the issue with addressing concerns regarding a premium service that we contribute money towards?

The montly fee says that I have the right to make any reasonable suggestions and/or complaints that I so choose. Relegating such things to the realm of worthlessness simply because they're thought to be the ramblings of a minority is bunk.

Like I said before, I like Sirius, and I have no plans to cancel the service in the near future. However, the sound quality issues are somewhat alarming, and they are indeed addressable if only Sirius had the inclination.

If the "whiners" truly thought that Siruis was not worthy of their cash, most certainly wouldn't waste their time voicing their thoughts on how the service could be improved.
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Old 09-08-2005, 01:23 PM   #129
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What exactly is the issue with addressing concerns regarding a premium service that we contribute money towards?
Indeed.

And as a shareholder - I couldn't agree more.
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Old 09-08-2005, 01:26 PM   #130
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...Which makes you a hypocrite.
I don't give a rat's hiney about any of the irrelevant factoids you posted.
...you're just SOL.
...your BS hypothesis...
...little miss drama queen.
(Hey, that last one is DAB's slam - get your own)

[lowering myself to your level]
Hey Renaissance Boy -
I still can't figure out what's got your panties in a wad. If facts are presented, you say they don't mean anything - yet you eagerly allude to 'some things somebody said' and claim that proves your point. Which, I still don't know what is other than to waste space.
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Old 09-08-2005, 03:05 PM   #131
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I still can't figure out what's got your panties in a wad.
Yep, people seem to be too sensitive to criticizm on the religion or sound quality of their choice
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Old 09-08-2005, 04:02 PM   #132
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I, and many others wish they would reduce the channel count to provide both quality of both sound and content.
I agree. Actually, I'd enjoy an extra premium audio service, a third one, taking thirty channels as such listed in the original CD Radio configuration, keeping them at about 3x the bitrate of the current Sirius (maybe even 4 or 5 channel broadcasting?), and I would then add a third service to my subscription list (and I would likely listen to it and terminate the subscriptions with Sirius and XM.)

Some of us listen to the same 1-2, or 5-6 channels that that list of 30 would definitely cover. I never listen to the talk ones myself. It's all a matter of preference.
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Old 09-11-2005, 04:19 AM   #133
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I still can't figure out what's got your panties in a wad. If facts are presented, you say they don't mean anything - yet you eagerly allude to 'some things somebody said' and claim that proves your point. Which, I still don't know what is other than to waste space.
You're the one with your panties in a wad, junior.

You keep whining and whining and whining about SQ.

Give it a rest.

There's nobody at this site who can do anything about it. So you're an idiot spitting in the wind. Do us a favor and go bark at the moon, it'll do just as much good solving the problem as your constant whimpering here.
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Old 09-11-2005, 11:50 AM   #134
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Let's stop the name calling and stick to the topic. Thanks.
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Why not just ignore threads about sound quality rather than bashing people who, as far as I'm concerned, have every right to complain about whatever they want? If you can't take the debate, stay out of it!
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