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Old 11-15-2006, 11:36 AM   #1
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I will start by sayin when I first learned of satrad I was suprised to find they "used" fm radio to operate. I have seen a ton of people complaining on this board about the new recivers and they're crappy transmitters. I don't get it....all my radios are hard wired and I would say to everyone here to forget about they're transmittetrs heck we don't need them...lets be independent from old fashoin radio! That's what I signed on for! What do you all think? Hard wire has all the advantage...it isn't that hard to do and the sound is outstanding. Am I alone here? Give me some feedback....
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FM is the easiest way to 'hook' a tuner into a car radio. Many car radios don't have any sort of 'audio in' provisions. Also, many users aren't comfortable tearing their dash apart to get at the back of their head units.

But FWIW, some early tuners, like the Audiovox PNP1 and PNP2 had NO FM built in. (They did have an FM transmitter built in to an optional cradle).

But you're right.. With the FCC watching closely for Part 15 compliance, the transmitters are junk and a direct connect IS the best route. But again, for most, it is FM connected directly through an FM direct adapter (AKA modulator relay).

Since the modulator relay is NEEDED in many cases, Sirius SHOULD be including these relays as a standard part of the radio kit along with the lighter plug, cradle etc.....

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I will start by sayin when I first learned of satrad I was suprised to find they "used" fm radio to operate. I have seen a ton of people complaining on this board about the new recivers and they're crappy transmitters. I don't get it....all my radios are hard wired and I would say to everyone here to forget about they're transmittetrs heck we don't need them...lets be independent from old fashoin radio! That's what I signed on for! What do you all think? Hard wire has all the advantage...it isn't that hard to do and the sound is outstanding. Am I alone here? Give me some feedback....

Agreed!

And for the most part you only need to hardwire audio/power once, then if you get a new radio assuming it's not a different power it's easy to swap in.
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I have one of the older Sportsters and use the FM Trans in my vehicle- works great and never had a problem.

Just last week, I got my mom a new Sportster Replay with the dreaded "new" FM trans, and it is absolute horse crap. It was so bad, that as I completed the install and was working to get the mod to work in her car, my wife pulled up in my truck with my Sportster on and it knocked out my mom's Sirius while parked about 60 feet away.

I have set up a return for my mom's radio, but she found a tape deck adapter that evidently works, and she's fine with it, so we'll probably keep it, but it's clear that these newer FM transmitters are garbage.
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Since the modulator relay is NEEDED in many cases, Sirius SHOULD be including these relays as a standard part of the radio kit along with the lighter plug, cradle etc.....
I could not disagree more I think its just a crutch and if the satrad industry wanted the fcc off its back they would stop making the trans. Without getting into the whole "dumbing down" of america thing hookin up a radio is not difficult. In the long run its up to the consumer (I guess) I just think satrad would beneifit from not piggy backin on fm freqs. The industry should stand on its own legs.
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I have one of the older Sportsters and use the FM Trans in my vehicle- works great and never had a problem.

Just last week, I got my mom a new Sportster Replay with the dreaded "new" FM trans, and it is absolute horse crap. It was so bad, that as I completed the install and was working to get the mod to work in her car, my wife pulled up in my truck with my Sportster on and it knocked out my mom's Sirius while parked about 60 feet away.

I have set up a return for my mom's radio, but she found a tape deck adapter that evidently works, and she's fine with it, so we'll probably keep it, but it's clear that these newer FM transmitters are garbage.
Ths is exactly what I mean...the attitude out there that because the trans. Does not work the reciever is junk...don't you think that is damaging to satrad? Radio Shack and others have huge savings comming up on the Boomcube....they should reduce the price all year long and let the people buy descent "vehicles" to play their recevers on.
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I know hardwiring is the best option to do, but the 2004 Kia doesn't have any option to hardwire audio, just power. That's why they needed FM transmitter, to fit in cars that don't have AUX in inputs or can't be hardwired for audio.
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I could not disagree more I think its just a crutch and if the satrad industry wanted the fcc off its back they would stop making the trans. Without getting into the whole "dumbing down" of america thing hookin up a radio is not difficult. In the long run its up to the consumer (I guess) I just think satrad would beneifit from not piggy backin on fm freqs. The industry should stand on its own legs.
MOST car radios have NO auxilliary input. Many of those that do have proprietary inputs that need an expensive adapter LIKE THIS ... For most subscribers, (despite not being the best method), the FM transmitter is the ONLY way they have to 'hook up' their radios.
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I was surprised by how weak the FM transmitter in the Xact visor I just bought is. The transmitter in my old Kenwood H2A and Starmate could give brain tumors to the neighbor's cat four houses down. I had to purchase a cassette adpator at Wal-Mart (your source for cheap plastic crap) just to make the visor listenable.

I suppose this is just a speed bump and that soon all car steroes will have multiple inputs. The jury-rigged receiver setups many of us have are kind of like dial-up internet before broadband, or broadcast TV reception before cable - it worked, but it didn't always work well and it wasn't pretty.
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I completely agree with what siriusurfer is saying in this post because 7 out of 10 complaints about SIRIUS seem to be transmitter related. When I had the Sportster Replay with the old modulator I used the FM frequencies for my home stereo and car because it seemed fine. When I got the Sportster 4 I popped it in my car and heard static so I thought screw this and bought a brand new stereo for my car with an "aux in" on the front and the sound is insane! Then I hardwired my home stereo and same result, no more "watered down" audio with a direct connection.
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How is $64 an "EXPENSIVE ADAPTER"? That's CHEAP ASS!! You are going to get THE BEST SOUND QUALITY for a mere $64.

How much does it cost for an install kit for an aftermarket stereo? About the same price.

How much for a car that comes with a 100% compatible stereo? A LOT MORE THAN $65!!

Stop it with the SIRIUS IS A SCAM I HAVE TO SPEND EXTRA MONEY TO MAKE IT WORK IN MY CAR.

Yeah, Sirius doesn't know what you are driving so THIS IS PROBABLY TRUE FOR MOST PEOPLE.
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MOST car radios have NO auxilliary input. Many of those that do have proprietary inputs that need an expensive adapter LIKE THIS ... For most subscribers, (despite not being the best method), the FM transmitter is the ONLY way they have to 'hook up' their radios.
I could be wrong but I thought I saw a post about a wire that goes from the sirius reciever into the antenna plug in the back of car stereos...did I dream this??
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I can understand what you're sayin'...when I got my first Sat. radio I had it for about 2 months before I realized it could transmit to an FM radio.Maybe I would have found out sooner if I read the instructions.
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I use a mono earpiece plugged into the back of my Sportster 4 to boost the FM transmission. Less than four bucks, and it works great. Another benefit of using the FM transmitter is the portability of the unit. If I want to transfer my Sirius to another car (say, a rental car I'm taking on a trip), it's easy to take out of my car temporarily.
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I use a mono earpiece plugged into the back of my Sportster 4 to boost the FM transmission. Less than four bucks, and it works great. Another benefit of using the FM transmitter is the portability of the unit. If I want to transfer my Sirius to another car (say, a rental car I'm taking on a trip), it's easy to take out of my car temporarily.
I agree. It may not be the BEST way, but it is still a very viable option, IMO. I don't want to have to spend another $100 for the adapter my HU needs, the sound is fine with me. I can finds a balance there. I also love the portability provided by the Fm transmitters. I can pick up the car signal thru most of the house.

The best part is I can take my $10 walkman (ziplocked) into the hot tub and listen to BTLS over headphones. What Sirius hardware would you do THAT with?

Perfection vs. versatility

What we really need is for someone to invent a CD version of the cassette adapter
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