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Old 11-18-2006, 11:22 AM   #16
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I definitely notice sound quality improving, then getting worse, then getting better on many of the Sirius channels I listen to. I am not sure I'd say someone is purposely making changes, but I do wonder if their encoders or multiplexers need rebooting or recycling. Then they do that and it's better for a while.
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the only thing i noticed is hard attack has more highs than any other station. other than that. no diffrence. sounds good to me. better than xm
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Ok so Sirius tweaked a few streams for better Sound quality after the channel updates,but guess what the decades took a hit in the sound quality department.Well ok ,so just listen to different channels?right?WRONG!
Two days ago ALL the channels are now where the decades are in the sound quality department (very muddy ,no highs) .What in gods name is Sirius doing?
Adding more channels or testing the stupid video again?
Leave the dam sound quality alone! We dont need either.
My FM sounds ALOT better now.Great....
Anyone else notice the hit?
I'm usually one of the first persons to notice the difference, and I haven't noticed ANY downfall. I think you might be dreaming this time, bud...
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SQ is improving on the odd channels and getting degraded on the evens......lol
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I definitely notice sound quality improving, then getting worse, then getting better on many of the Sirius channels I listen to. I am not sure I'd say someone is purposely making changes, but I do wonder if their encoders or multiplexers need rebooting or recycling. Then they do that and it's better for a while.
It's good to see I'm not the only one who has noticed this. I'm pretty picky when it comes to sound quality. A few weeks ago I thought the SQ was pretty bad. Then it seemed that the SQ improved with better detail and a fuller sound. Then it seemed to get worse again. Now it seems to be pretty good again. I keep thinking either I'm going crazy or something or someone is responsible for the changes in sound quality.

Of course, some songs have better sound than others, but when listening for after a couple of hours straight, I think one can get a pretty good idea of the general sound.

BTW, I've noticed the same thing in my car as at home on my stereo system. The SQ seems to be really good sometimes, and then not so good others.

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I've not noticed any SQ slide myself over the last few weeks. I have been listening to XM a lot through my DirecTV and home sound system. Man, does THAT sound really, really good. The few times I have had the Sirius on in the last couple of weeks it has sounded no better or worse to me.

Those here that say that they are "picky" about sound quality are really missing the point of either Sirius or XM. In my vehicles, Sirius sounds MUCH better than FM stations. I have an AUX connection to my HU, not FM transmitter or tape adapter. Octane (my favorite by far) sounds really good. I do listen to a lot of other stations as well, but Octane is where I listen the most.

When I want amazing sound depth, I unplug my Starmate Replay and plug in my iPod. FULL of 192k AAC files. Makes you feel like you are there. If you want a wide array of musical choice, Sirius/XM is the way to go. If you want great sound quality you are better off with an iPod and a large CD collection of your favorites.

The blood battle with XM makes Sirius do the things that they do in terms of loading their birds with channels that truly are pointless. How many of you listen to the Korean or French Canadian channel? Until XM and Sirius get serious () about QUALITY of programs available instead of QUANTITY what you have is what you get.

That my .02 on the topic.
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I've not noticed any SQ slide myself over the last few weeks. I have been listening to XM a lot through my DirecTV and home sound system. Man, does THAT sound really, really good. The few times I have had the Sirius on in the last couple of weeks it has sounded no better or worse to me.

Those here that say that they are "picky" about sound quality are really missing the point of either Sirius or XM. In my vehicles, Sirius sounds MUCH better than FM stations. I have an AUX connection to my HU, not FM transmitter or tape adapter. Octane (my favorite by far) sounds really good. I do listen to a lot of other stations as well, but Octane is where I listen the most.

When I want amazing sound depth, I unplug my Starmate Replay and plug in my iPod. FULL of 192k AAC files. Makes you feel like you are there. If you want a wide array of musical choice, Sirius/XM is the way to go. If you want great sound quality you are better off with an iPod and a large CD collection of your favorites.

The blood battle with XM makes Sirius do the things that they do in terms of loading their birds with channels that truly are pointless. How many of you listen to the Korean or French Canadian channel? Until XM and Sirius get serious () about QUALITY of programs available instead of QUANTITY what you have is what you get.

That my .02 on the topic.
I have XM thru my DirecTV susbscription also and I agree that the sound quality is excellent. I don't agree with you that those who are talking about sound quality are missing the point. Digital sound quality was one of the original selling points of satellite radio. In fact, I've seen the satellite companies mention "CD quality" or "near CD quality" in their ads. When I listen to my MP3's, of course the SQ is much better than the sound coming from the satellites. I expect that to be the case. But that doesn't mean that we should just accept sound quality that is not up the standards we would like to see.

I also have my car unit going thru the AUX connector. I have my home unit wired to my stereo because it gets better sound than if I use the FM transmitter. The sound quality should be at an acceptable level. Of course people differ on what is acceptable and many can't tell the difference or couldn't care less. But for those of us who do, you're going to have a hard time convincing us that SQ is not an important aspect in satellite radio.

I think it's important to have quality in content and in sound.
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I don't agree with you that those who are talking about sound quality are missing the point. Digital sound quality was one of the original selling points of satellite radio.
Even through a cassette adapter my Starmate sounds better than FM. That is really all that I can ask for. If you have to use the FM transmitter or a modulator then think about moving to an HU that has AUX In.

Yes, digital sound quality was one of the original selling points of satrad. I haven't heard Sirius or XM fly that flag in a long time. My understanding was that back in the day the sound quality was excellent. Much better than today. The quantity wars are what changed all of that and short of both Sirius and XM cutting their channel lineup in half I don't think we will see a return of the original sound quality days.

At the end of the day I love Sirius and XM both. Neither one sounds as good as my iPod, but both are as good as or better than FM/AM (talk) so I will keep paying my bill.
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Old 11-20-2006, 09:59 PM   #24
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Even through a cassette adapter my Starmate sounds better than FM. That is really all that I can ask for. If you have to use the FM transmitter or a modulator then think about moving to an HU that has AUX In.

Yes, digital sound quality was one of the original selling points of satrad. I haven't heard Sirius or XM fly that flag in a long time. My understanding was that back in the day the sound quality was excellent. Much better than today. The quantity wars are what changed all of that and short of both Sirius and XM cutting their channel lineup in half I don't think we will see a return of the original sound quality days.

At the end of the day I love Sirius and XM both. Neither one sounds as good as my iPod, but both are as good as or better than FM/AM (talk) so I will keep paying my bill.
When the god dam sound quality isnt suffeing from VIDEO TESTING my FM modulator with Sat switch works and sounds just great!i have it direct in my car and its NO BETTER . I can move my mirrors nicely with the DELCO stereo.I found a subwoofer and two AIWA car speakers for my work vehicle.I drive ALL DAY and yes I do notice everything.Fm stereo sound nicer lately .
At home I have a very high end stereo and polk Monitors.Im an electronics technician and yes the dish network feed is wayyy cleaner than sirius over the air.And I think XM sounds like royal crap on direc** and over the air.
They are doing something ,but we will never know what.I am guessing its video testing or more channels.God help us-
To me 3 channel changes ago back when we had Swing Street and The vortex,we had halfway decent sound.What do we have now?32Kbps?
I wanna hear stereo! and when the bitstream is low ,anyone can tell the difference,just look online for a comparison of bitrates.In todays age of digital THX surround sound,why would anyone want MONO muddy sound?
Unbearable lately.And theres no technical person to call or talk to at sirius ,pathetic!
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In my vehicles, Sirius sounds MUCH better than FM stations. I have an AUX connection to my HU, not FM transmitter or tape adapter. Octane (my favorite by far) sounds really good. I do listen to a lot of other stations as well, but Octane is where I listen the most.
Then you have some FM stations in your city with really crappy processing. I'm happy to say that Vegas must be lucky to have some radio stations that give a crap about processing.

I, too, have the Replay plugged in to the AUX input on my HU. And the better processed FM stations have better highs, MUCH better stereo seperation, and more depth than Sirius does.

Now when I really want great quality, I plug in my Toshiba 60-gig Gigabeat MP3 player. That truly sounds identical to the CD Player in my HU.

My ultimate wish would be for Sirius to sound as good as a 128 kbps MP3 (which is still not CD quality...but close enough for car and portable use). Actually, I've heard AAC at 64 sounds really good...and way better than Sirius (or XM). 64 kbps AAC would be acceptable!! I don't think that I'm being "a crazy audiophile" with my desires here.
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Then you have some FM stations in your city with really crappy processing. I'm happy to say that Vegas must be lucky to have some radio stations that give a crap about processing.

I, too, have the Replay plugged in to the AUX input on my HU. And the better processed FM stations have better highs, MUCH better stereo seperation, and more depth than Sirius does.

Now when I really want great quality, I plug in my Toshiba 60-gig Gigabeat MP3 player. That truly sounds identical to the CD Player in my HU.

My ultimate wish would be for Sirius to sound as good as a 128 kbps MP3 (which is still not CD quality...but close enough for car and portable use). Actually, I've heard AAC at 64 sounds really good...and way better than Sirius (or XM). 64 kbps AAC would be acceptable!! I don't think that I'm being "a crazy audiophile" with my desires here.
You want to hear what 64Kbit/sec AACplus sounds like? Find a friend with XM and listen to either Fine Tuning (channel 75) or XM POPS (channel 113, although it is being replaced for Christmas music in a few days and will have it's bitrate dropped until the classical christmas music that replaces it ends) It sounds DAMN good.
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You want to hear what 64Kbit/sec AACplus sounds like? Find a friend with XM and listen to either Fine Tuning (channel 75) or XM POPS (channel 113, although it is being replaced for Christmas music in a few days and will have it's bitrate dropped until the classical christmas music that replaces it ends) It sounds DAMN good.
AAC format to me is still wayyyyy too compressed for today's standards,a 128K mp3 is ok to listen to (acceptable in the car which should have been what sirius and xm could have shot for). At 192K in the car I probably wouldnt mind the sound and say it sounds like- cd. 320K is closer to cd.Yeah but still in todays day and age we have to suffer with low bit rates???Wha?
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I'm not saying AACplus doesn't sound compressed. At 64Kbit/Sec, I can still hear some artifacts. HOWEVER, I think that AT THAT BITRATE, the codec performs EXTREMELY WELL. I was just mentioning the fact that, although it's still not CD quality, 64 Kbit/Sec AACplus still sounds good, especially for bandwidth limited applications. Just my .02.


HOWEVER, I MUST ADD, at the 32Kbit/Sec that XM's running aacPlus at, it doesn't sound that great. XM used to sound good...
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sirius cant fix it the way some of you want it. its the fcc. why is it so hard for some people to get that? its the fcc? its called not enough bandwith!!!!! hello!!!
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sirius cant fix it the way some of you want it. its the fcc. why is it so hard for some people to get that? its the fcc? its called not enough bandwith!!!!! hello!!!
Yes I agree it is that, but it is them also trying to add too damn many channels. SIRIUS initially was going to start the service with just 60 channels. Can you imagine the SQ? It would be awesome! But with XM doing what they always have done is they kept pushing and pushing up the number of channels, SIRIUS had no choice but to play the game.
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