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Old 11-22-2006, 12:50 AM   #31
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Yes I agree it is that, but it is them also trying to add too damn many channels. SIRIUS initially was going to start the service with just 60 channels. Can you imagine the SQ? It would be awesome! But with XM doing what they always have done is they kept pushing and pushing up the number of channels, SIRIUS had no choice but to play the game.

sirius sounds fine to me. xm on the other hand sounds like total crap tonight
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I have not noticed any sound quality drops. Sound quality seems to be holding constant.
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Old 11-23-2006, 06:10 PM   #33
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The part of the sound quality that I hate is the lack of depth and imaging. When I listen to local FM the entire soundstage is much wider. FM sounds like actual stereo while Sirius has a more mono sound to it. Toss in what I call the digital sounding highs and I find myself listening to more Jack-FM locally and less Sirius Shuffle.

It seems silly to invest in great audio gear and then put Sirius on it (ditto for XM). I was one of the original Sirius subs when they started. As the sound quality has declined, I find more CDs making their way back into my car.

The only thing that will solve this is more bandwidth since Sirius shows no desire to limit channels. It's ironic that video is going the way of HD and audio is declining to bit-limited satellite.

If HD Radio catches on (and that is a big if), I predict satellite radio will have their hands full. The reason is the greater choice available at no cost. Locally here (Minneapolis) there are some very cool HD radio channels available.
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I never notice anything when you guys start mentioning this stuff.
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The part of the sound quality that I hate is the lack of depth and imaging. When I listen to local FM the entire soundstage is much wider. FM sounds like actual stereo while Sirius has a more mono sound to it. Toss in what I call the digital sounding highs and I find myself listening to more Jack-FM locally and less Sirius Shuffle.

It seems silly to invest in great audio gear and then put Sirius on it (ditto for XM). I was one of the original Sirius subs when they started. As the sound quality has declined, I find more CDs making their way back into my car.

The only thing that will solve this is more bandwidth since Sirius shows no desire to limit channels. It's ironic that video is going the way of HD and audio is declining to bit-limited satellite.

If HD Radio catches on (and that is a big if), I predict satellite radio will have their hands full. The reason is the greater choice available at no cost. Locally here (Minneapolis) there are some very cool HD radio channels available.
I agree with you completely. The only aspect of satellite radio that I have been disappointed with is the sound quality. Never in my wildest dreams did I think for a minute that the SQ would be worse than FM. When I first subscribed more than a year ago, I had visions of crystal clear sound rivaling CD's. The sound is crystal clear, but the quality is terrible. I think sometimes when people hear a clear signal with no interference or static, they are happy and think the sound is good. I wish that were the case. There is no detail in the sound, the channel seperation is poor, and the high end sounds terrible.

It's really too bad it has to be this way.
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Old 11-25-2006, 11:54 AM   #36
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I never notice anything when you guys start mentioning this stuff.
Take a travel to a big city and put on one of their rock stations,then switch to sirius ,if you have a stock radio you should notice a huge difference.
Left and right on say a Pink floyd song "Money" on fm you'll hear the cha-ching of teh cash register go from one speaker to the next on FM ,on sirius or xm that will never happen.
The FM's in North carolina sound great to me,when Im down there they sound great on my Excelon Kenwood radio .99.7 WRFX for example....Out of raleigh,durham.
I just say for a technology today ,sirius or xm should be better.
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Old 11-25-2006, 12:18 PM   #37
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Very true as the higher frequencies are responsible for 90% of the stereo imaging. Just look at how surround sound is setup. All of the highs for sound placement, all of the lows are placed out of site as they don't have the seperation. Just filler.
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Old 11-25-2006, 12:51 PM   #38
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tHIS Thread is full of B-S.

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At 192K in the car I probably wouldnt mind the sound and say it sounds like- cd. 320K is closer to cd.Yeah but still in todays day and age we have to suffer with low bit rates???Wha?
give me a f*cking breakplease.

nobody here can tell the diff. between 192k and 320k in their car. and nobody here can tell the diff. between 320k and a cd regardless of where they listen. this is just somebody talking outt his ass.

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Actually, I've heard AAC at 64 sounds really good...and way better than Sirius (or XM). 64 kbps AAC would be acceptable!!
it sounds pretty decent and xmsr runs pretty close to that on some of its channels. with aac you really start to give up sq in a big way when it falls below 64k and when it gets to 32k it shows.

siri would problably have to run pac at 96k to match it and that would leave people complaining about not having enough channels. you can not please everyone. with video comming (if it is) it is only going to worsen.

i favor xmsrs sq a bit but i hope they dont do video. xmsr is advertising their music and if they want to be in the music biz they dont need to be mucking up the sq by giving up quality for video. looks like it is going to be a big mistake for siri too.
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Yeah, ummm 320k is overkill IMO. 96k - 192k is what we should be dealing with here. Not 32-96k which is what I can only assume is what we are dealing with now.
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Yeah, ummm 320k is overkill IMO. 96k - 192k is what we should be dealing with here. Not 32-96k which is what I can only assume is what we are dealing with now.
I agree. 96K to 192K would satisfy me. We're never going to get actual CD quality sound, but there's no reason we shouldn't at least get decent SQ.
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Old 11-25-2006, 06:57 PM   #41
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I'm hearing a degredation of sound quality on Sirius Disorder as well.

I notice it the most when the channel transitions from DJ to music and back again, it sounds like compression artifacts.

It sounds pretty bad to me.
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I'm hearing a degredation of sound quality on Sirius Disorder as well.

I notice it the most when the channel transitions from DJ to music and back again, it sounds like compression artifacts.

It sounds pretty bad to me.
we need to call and tell them if they dont fix it ,we will cancel.
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we need to call and tell them if they dont fix it ,we will cancel.
Oh Yeah that always works. NOT!!!
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Actually, when I hear "Money" it seems to sound fine on Sirius. I always hear it on Classic Vinyl, one of the better sounding stations by far.

The "Spacely Effect" is what I've noticed lately. Does everyone know the sound the space cars on The Jetsons makes (the engine sound)? "Brbrbrbrrbrbrbrbrbrbrbr..." (a rolling of R sound). This is the "Spacely Effect" I'm talking about. I've noticed DJ microphones resonating like this, as well as music itself. It is worst on Totally 70s, but it's pretty bad on other stations, like ThePulse, and it's heard to some extent across the board. I heard "Say You Love Me" on Totally 70s and all it sounded like was brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbr, etc. This is a new artifact, and I want it GONE!

My audio processors in my truck don't know how to handle it. It drives me up the wall!!!
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If HD Radio catches on (and that is a big if), I predict satellite radio will have their hands full. The reason is the greater choice available at no cost. Locally here (Minneapolis) there are some very cool HD radio channels available.
I don't think that necessarily follows.

'Free' HDRadio broadcast is fine. Right now they even do it without heavy commercial time. Great! Now, how free is it when you need to buy a new HU? How much of a bargain is it when your commute is 90% outside the HDRadio coverage area? What if there is not even one HDR station that plays the type of music you listen to? What if you move or already live somewhere that doesn't have HDR stations?

I have a hard time believing that terradio won't apply their greedy philosphy and short-sighted business model to HDR and visit the same fate upon that emerging technology, stunting its development, if not ultimately dooming it. I think that's too bad. I would like an alternative that competes with satrad to keep them in line, holding their feet to the fire.
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