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Old 11-27-2006, 02:49 PM   #46
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Actually, when I hear "Money" it seems to sound fine on Sirius. I always hear it on Classic Vinyl, one of the better sounding stations by far.

The "Spacely Effect" is what I've noticed lately. Does everyone know the sound the space cars on The Jetsons makes (the engine sound)? "Brbrbrbrrbrbrbrbrbrbrbr..." (a rolling of R sound). This is the "Spacely Effect" I'm talking about. I've noticed DJ microphones resonating like this, as well as music itself. It is worst on Totally 70s, but it's pretty bad on other stations, like ThePulse, and it's heard to some extent across the board. I heard "Say You Love Me" on Totally 70s and all it sounded like was brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbr, etc. This is a new artifact, and I want it GONE!

My audio processors in my truck don't know how to handle it. It drives me up the wall!!!
Hahaha that's almost it. I KNOW WHAT MAKES THIS EXACT SOUND. OK, 3 Stooges, Shemp, Fountain of Youth, and they just used the "mixer" (old boot) and the they just finished dancing to the little popping tune it was making.

THE SOUND RIGHT AFTER THAT is it "sizzleing" and it sounds EXACTLY LIKE THAT.

(I know it's compression based but it's funny that it resembles other things)
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Actually, when I hear "Money" it seems to sound fine on Sirius. I always hear it on Classic Vinyl, one of the better sounding stations by far.

The "Spacely Effect" is what I've noticed lately. Does everyone know the sound the space cars on The Jetsons makes (the engine sound)? "Brbrbrbrrbrbrbrbrbrbrbr..." (a rolling of R sound). This is the "Spacely Effect" I'm talking about. I've noticed DJ microphones resonating like this, as well as music itself. It is worst on Totally 70s, but it's pretty bad on other stations, like ThePulse, and it's heard to some extent across the board. I heard "Say You Love Me" on Totally 70s and all it sounded like was brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbr, etc. This is a new artifact, and I want it GONE!

My audio processors in my truck don't know how to handle it. It drives me up the wall!!!
I noticed this to Totally 70's, Barry Williams sounded like he was broadcasting from an echo chamber.
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Old 11-27-2006, 07:08 PM   #48
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I noticed this to Totally 70's, Barry Williams sounded like he was broadcasting from an echo chamber.
It looks like the crappy sound is here to stay.Anyone that dont think it sounds muddy and lacking "highs" needs to clean their ears out.
A small portable DVD player and an FM modulator are going to take the sirius radio's place in my van soon.1 dvd = 8gigs of Mp3s The coby dvd player can do this and with the 70s ,theres only 8 gigs of songs I can think of.
Guess thats a done deal.
My stock doesnt look very good
Oh well thats not going back up either.
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Oh so its not just me!, the sound quality really is crap! I find it inferior to FM and not even close to CD quality, and why???!!! I spent well over $100 between the radio, FM Mod, and install and worst of all I am paying 12.95 a month for this???

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It looks like the crappy sound is here to stay.Anyone that dont think it sounds muddy and lacking "highs" needs to clean their ears out.
Strange I can sometimes tell a slight difference... Maybe I am just blessed overall though because it just doesn't bother me day in and day out. I think those of you that notice every little subtle change will probably never be satisfied with this media form of music. I honestly don't spend much time analyzing it, I just enjoy and leave all that up to you guys that it seems to bother so much.
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I hear the echoes too, and I've never complained about SQ... It's usually only when the DJs talk, but sometimes it occurs in the songs too... which is ANNOYING!
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Honestly DAB, this is something above and beyond the normal SQ debate.

It seems fine today though.

EDIT: Woops, spoke too soon. The pulse sounds a little fluttery.
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Honestly DAB, this is something above and beyond the normal SQ debate.

It seems fine today though.
Well does it seem fine? Because I actually heard what folks are talking about today on a couple of different channels. I had never heard it before but as someone decribed it, it is like an echo. This afternoon when going back to those same channels I do not hear it. Very Strange Indeed and I agree this is not the same thing as the normal SQ debate.
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Oye vey! Unfortunately I'm not going to bother calling customer service. If you read my post from last week you'll understand why.

I'm very surprised that they haven't fixed this yet.
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Strange I can sometimes tell a slight difference... Maybe I am just blessed overall though because it just doesn't bother me day in and day out. I think those of you that notice every little subtle change will probably never be satisfied with this media form of music. I honestly don't spend much time analyzing it, I just enjoy and leave all that up to you guys that it seems to bother so much.
I do not understand how you can be satisfied with sound quality that is not even on par with a well-processed analog FM station? When I first purchased Sirius a few years ago, I never expected CD-Quality. But over the last year, the sound quality has diminished from "OK" sound quality to just plain unaccepatable. The biggest problems being in the lack of highs and stereo separation. If you honestly can't hear the difference between analog FM and Sirius, then you need to check your system. The differences are VERY obvious.

I love the idea of Sirius! And in 2006, during a time where the media quality is imporving with HDTV, smaller iPods with greater capacity, Blu-Ray DVD, etc., we should not have to accept the crappy sound quality that Sirius is giving us. Get rid of the all-Who channel. Get rid of the all-Stones channel. Get rid of some of the talk channels that probably represent a very, very small part of the market.
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The current sound quality on Totally 70s is a joke, it is definitely much worse than a couple of months ago. A little after 7 AM today (Central) they were playing an Elton tune and his vocals were echoing, Magic Matt then did his voice track and he sounded like he was in an echo chamber.

Coming home tonight I gave it another try. This time The Temptations were on and the vocals were echoing and far back in the sound mix. JJ "Spyder" did his top of the hour and I could barely understand him.

Both times it was back to Jack-FM. Both of our cars have above average sound systems. They show the flaws right away and right now Sirius is far below FM quality. Totally 70s is boarding on high quality AM. Pretty pathetic and I've been with Sirius for a long time.
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Just an update: My mother can't stand the SQ either, and she's the last person for judging sound quality.
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I do not understand how you can be satisfied with sound quality that is not even on par with a well-processed analog FM station? When I first purchased Sirius a few years ago, I never expected CD-Quality. But over the last year, the sound quality has diminished from "OK" sound quality to just plain unacceptable. The biggest problems being in the lack of highs and stereo separation. If you honestly can't hear the difference between analog FM and Sirius, then you need to check your system. The differences are VERY obvious.
If you read what I wrote, I said I don't hear that day to day differences (subtle changes) that many of you say you do. I feel that is a blessing for me. I never said I couldn't tell the difference between SIRIUS/FM/AM and CD... I don't think you'll see anywhere that I said that.

However, knowing this technology and understanding the competition where adding more content at the cost of SQ allows me to understand the SQ issue. If I really like music well enough to want to hear it sound prestine... I'll buy it! Sat Radio was never about SQ, it was about providing a variety in sports and entertainment content, not to mention much music that isn't available to me locally on FM.

Could the SQ be better, absolutely.... Will it get better, maybe if technology presents itself that will allow them to use the limited bandwidth and provided better SQ perhaps. I don't see SIRIUS or XM reducing channels to get there. But we can thank XM for this mad dash to add more and more channels. SIRIUS if they wanted to stay in the game had to attempt to keep up. Right now SIRIUS has about 135 channels with the Canadian Channels... XM has over 170.

So, YES I can say I am okay with the SQ. I don't just enjoy the idea of SIRIUS and XM I enjoy the service PERIOD! I am sorry if you can't understand that, but I don't think I am alone in that. Because the fact is if I am as upset and disturbed about SQ as some of you, I'd just go ahead and cancel the service. Why would I want to pay for something that I am just not happy with. Fortunately for me, I am overall okay with it! But with that said, it could sound better. I will admit that in the last few days... the SQ does seem to have tanked... it has gotten much worse then anytime in the past that I recall. But I suspect it won't stay this way long. In fact I'd almost bet they are working on something which is causing this issue. SIRIUS's biggest problem is their failure to communicate with subscribers about what they are doing. We'd all be much more patient if we knew what was going on to cause problems with SQ. Now if this continues on and on, I may reach a point where I am just totally unaccepting of it, but only time will tell. I am not there yet. I am hearing the echo though.. not sure what is up with that.
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My apologies DAB for misunderstanding your view on the sound quality. And I do understand why the quality stinks...because quantity is considered a much bigger priority than quality by both sat services. And yes...I will probably let my (annual) subscription run out without renewing unless something is done to improve the sound quality. I find that I listen to more regular analog FM or my MP3 player than Sirius in the car. The only reason is because of the poor sound quality. As I've said before, I don't expect CD-Quality. But I do expect it to sound better than FM-Stereo, technology that is over 40 years old. Musical variety is great; but not when it sounds like mono (or close to it) with digital artifacts in the limited high-end.
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My apologies DAB for misunderstanding your view on the sound quality. And I do understand why the quality stinks...because quantity is considered a much bigger priority than quality by both sat services. And yes...I will probably let my (annual) subscription run out without renewing unless something is done to improve the sound quality. I find that I listen to more regular analog FM or my MP3 player than Sirius in the car. The only reason is because of the poor sound quality. As I've said before, I don't expect CD-Quality. But I do expect it to sound better than FM-Stereo, technology that is over 40 years old. Musical variety is great; but not when it sounds like mono (or close to it) with digital artifacts in the limited high-end.
If FM had to deal with compression in the same fashion that Sat Radio does today, it would sound even worse. I think everyone sort of has their own take on SQ. I still feel that for the majority of us, we'd like the SQ to be better, but still find it for the most part acceptable given the fact that we get such variety and commercial free music, which can pretty much be heard anywhere. I also can't get the sports, entertainment and talk programming while on the road through any other medium. This is where folks have to make indiviual choices in regards to Sat Radio. If more folks feel the way you do then I think SIRIUS will see a high churn rate. If the churn rate stays low then it would appear to them that they have found a good balance between the amount of channels and SQ.

I still feel that the recently drop is SQ is temporary and is in relation to some technical changes they are making, but I have no confirmation or inside information to confirm that. We were told by the end of the year that all channels would go to the same technology they are using on The Coffee House. I can't help but wonder if this is what they are doing. To my ears right now the Coffee House still offers the best sound of any of the channels.
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