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Old 11-29-2006, 07:51 PM   #76
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I hear the echoes too, and I've never complained about SQ... It's usually only when the DJs talk, but sometimes it occurs in the songs too... which is ANNOYING!

this problem was fixed this morning...
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Ok up and down and up again ,sound is back to the way it "was" anything past channel 9 sounds "decent" I wish they'd fix the 70s and the rest of the channels that still sound muddy.At least we can jam with classic rewind....
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Old 11-30-2006, 05:57 PM   #78
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so i guess it is xmsrs fault.

it has been brought up often by others but do you agree that by choosing pac as its codec rather than aacplus -- which is the de-facto standard -- siri blew it? xmsr can push their bandwidth much harder because aacplus will tolerate it without the sq going to crap.

in the end xmsrs ability to have more decent soundng channels is a competitive problem that siri is going to have to deal with. whether they chooose to reduce sq or # of channels or both is a business decision.

siri and xmsr must find some middle ground but xmsr seems to have a pretty big advantage in this area.
Xm cant push anything harder,their sound is wayyyyy below FM and sounds robotic almost ,at least sirius sounds decent (sometimes MONO but still-).
They should quit trying to win the whos got more channels fight,it still boils down to their limited bandwidth,and beleive me,unless someone pulls a "magic sound multiplexer out of their hat" then the sound quality is not going to get better.Imagine in this day of Dolby digital we cant get STEREO on eiter service....I tried turnin the xm on a few days ago because of the free preview and its still bad.So dont tell me Xm is pulling miracles.They have a SQ thread ,as well.
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Ok up and down and up again ,sound is back to the way it "was" anything past channel 9 sounds "decent" I wish they'd fix the 70s and the rest of the channels that still sound muddy.At least we can jam with classic rewind....
I think SIRIUS Hit's One sounds good, as well as Moving EZ and '80s. I don't find the '70s channel to sound bad at all either. You just maybe one of those that I talked about that might never ever be happy. Hit's One this afternoon was ROCKIN and I am more than pleased with the SQ. I can certainly tell all these channels have been improved.

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I agree XM has always pushed the envelope and anyone that says they sound much better than SIRIUS is totally kidding themselves.
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I think SIRIUS Hit's One sounds good, as well as Moving EZ and '80s. I don't find the '70s channel to sound bad at all either. You just maybe one of those that I talked about that might never ever be happy. Hit's One this afternoon was ROCKIN and I am more than pleased with the SQ. I can certainly tell all these channels have been improved.



I agree XM has always pushed the envelope and anyone that says they sound much better than SIRIUS is totally kidding themselves.
DAB if you own decent gear, Sirius still sounds far worse than FM. Totally 70s still sounds FAR worse than our local Clear Channel 70s station.
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DAB if you own decent gear, Sirius still sounds far worse than FM. Totally 70s still sounds FAR worse than our local Clear Channel 70s station.
I don't care about how FM sounds? I am not going to listen to 20 or 25 minutes of great sounding commercials to hear FM that you say sounds better. I haven't listen to FM in about 4 years now. I don't even have my antenna hooked up on my head unit. The point is that SIRIUS has improved the SQ in the last day or so. I don't do go back and fourth comparing SIRIUS to FM/CD's, MP3's etc. I just enjoy the content and now the improved SQ. NO it's still not perfect SQ and I don't suspect it ever will be. I am not hearing echos, I am not hearing the underwater sounds ETC... Whatever they did, I am glad they did it and right now I am content for the most part. Maybe I am wrong, but I can't help but wonder if you guys don't spend way too much time comparing and comparing to the point that now regardless you just can't enjoy the service. I am listening to the '70s channel right now on my home theater system and I don't think it sounds that bad. I don't know.. maybe I am just easy to please. I am not saying you guys aren't hearing what you say... I am just saying for my $12.95 a month, I am overall pretty satisified, especially since yesterday.
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I don't care about how FM sounds? I am not going to listen to 20 or 25 minutes of great sounding commercials to hear FM that you say sounds better. I haven't listen to FM in about 4 years now. I don't even have my antenna hooked up on my head unit. The point is that SIRIUS has improved the SQ in the last day or so. I don't do go back and fourth comparing SIRIUS to FM/CD's, MP3's etc. I just enjoy the content and now the improved SQ. NO it's still not perfect SQ and I don't suspect it ever will be. I am not hearing echos, I am not hearing the underwater sounds ETC... Whatever they did, I am glad they did it and right now I am content for the most part. Maybe I am wrong, but I can't help but wonder if you guys don't spend way too much time comparing and comparing to the point that now regardless you just can't enjoy the service. I am listening to the '70s channel right now on my home theater system and I don't think it sounds that bad. I don't know.. maybe I am just easy to please. I am not saying you guys aren't hearing what you say... I am just saying for my $12.95 a month, I am overall pretty satisified, especially since yesterday.


couldnt have said it better myself..a liner for out local cc station..wfmf with over 50 minutes of commercials every hour!!
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I don't care about how FM sounds? I am not going to listen to 20 or 25 minutes of great sounding commercials to hear FM that you say sounds better. I haven't listen to FM in about 4 years now. I don't even have my antenna hooked up on my head unit.
OK...Exxagerating the facts is not the way to prove your point. 20 or 25 minutes of commercials? C'mon! On music radio, it's anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes; and usually closer to 12.

And "hipreck" never made a comparison about the number of commercials that Sirius plays vs. his local CC station. All he commented on was the sound quality. And he's right! I find it completely ridiculous that digital satellite radio sounds inferior to regular commercial FM stations. RIDICULOUS!! And it's sad when I see the Sirius fanboys defend the poor sound quality as "just fine because there is musical variety with no commercials".

DAB, since you haven't turned on your tuner in four years, hook up the antenna to your FM tuner and be blown away at the HUGE difference in sound quality! Notice the high frequencies and actual stereo separation in the FM broadcast.
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You can talk about the number of commercials played on FM radio, but you're not paying to listen to that either. Satellite radio costs money, so it should as good as the free stuff.
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Do I need to teach a class on FM vs. SatRad?

I counted 18 minutes, 37 seconds and 81 milliseconds of commercials on FM, most of which are mostly "Convert to Christianity! Covert to Christianity!" I listen to FM radio sometimes and most of the time it's on I hear a commercial. And then I travel westward to hear static, more static, and eventually unlistenable FM anywhere I touch the dial in a rural area. This is where SATELLITE radio comes into play.

All of the SQ problems was them completing tests and upgrades on HM, and the signal dropouts in clear skies are called SOLAR RADIATION. Am...I...speaking...clearly?
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OK...Exxagerating the facts is not the way to prove your point. 20 or 25 minutes of commercials? C'mon! On music radio, it's anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes; and usually closer to 12.

And "hipreck" never made a comparison about the number of commercials that Sirius plays vs. his local CC station. All he commented on was the sound quality. And he's right! I find it completely ridiculous that digital satellite radio sounds inferior to regular commercial FM stations. RIDICULOUS!! And it's sad when I see the Sirius fanboys defend the poor sound quality as "just fine because there is musical variety with no commercials".

DAB, since you haven't turned on your tuner in four years, hook up the antenna to your FM tuner and be blown away at the HUGE difference in sound quality! Notice the high frequencies and actual stereo separation in the FM broadcast.

did you notice that lame ass music and 15 songs over and over agin in true stereo also??? fm radio sucks!! kill it!! sirius rules! fm just sucks!
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OK...Exxagerating the facts is not the way to prove your point. 20 or 25 minutes of commercials? C'mon! On music radio, it's anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes; and usually closer to 12.

And "hipreck" never made a comparison about the number of commercials that Sirius plays vs. his local CC station.

DAB, since you haven't turned on your tuner in four years, hook up the antenna to your FM tuner
Number one I have friends that work in FM and I can tell you for a fact the local channels in my area one in particular that I know about is programmed for 22 minutes of commercials every hour, so I am not exaggerating in the slightest.

I have no intention to hook up my antenna or listen to FM as I have ZERO desire to do so. But I'll invite you to come on down to Central, La and with your nice FM setup you can actually time those 22 minutes of high frequency and super stereo seperation commercials.

By the way anyone that has read my post over the years know I am far from being a mindless Sirius Fanboy. You are so typical of someone that can't get your point across without reverting to name calling.

If you like FM so darn much, then hey... cancel your SIRIUS sub and enjoy the lack of variety and commercials is all I can tell. In the mean time I'll be enjoy the variety and low frequency and mono Sat Radio...
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I counted 18 minutes, 37 seconds and 81 milliseconds of commercials on FM, most of which are mostly "Convert to Christianity! Covert to Christianity!" I listen to FM radio sometimes and most of the time it's on I hear a commercial. And then I travel westward to hear static, more static, and eventually unlistenable FM anywhere I touch the dial in a rural area. This is where SATELLITE radio comes into play.

All of the SQ problems was them completing tests and upgrades on HM, and the signal dropouts in clear skies are called SOLAR RADIATION. Am...I...speaking...clearly?
Do you work for Sirius???? How do you know so much about the SQ problems?? Funny how the rest of us don't know. IF what you say and true, and I doubt it, then shouldn't Sirius communicate this to their paying subscribers????!!!!
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You guys are kidding yourselves and are just caught up in the 'signal comes from a satellite' or 'lack of commercials (which is good)'.

The facts of the matter is that Sirius does not have the bandwith, dynamic range, stereo separation and clear high end of quality FM and it never will as long as technology remains the same as it is now.
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I don't work for Sirius but I know someone who does fyi. I know about the SQ problems via the internet. And yes while I agree they should communicate I don't think promoting FM is a good idea.
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