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Old 12-02-2006, 11:58 AM   #91
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You guys are kidding yourselves and are just caught up in the 'signal comes from a satellite' or 'lack of commercials (which is good)'.

The facts of the matter is that Sirius does not have the bandwith, dynamic range, stereo separation and clear high end of quality FM and it never will as long as technology remains the same as it is now.
FM????? LOL, FM is now like the VCR, it is dead!! I can't remember the last time I listened to FM and don't plan to in the future. Even if the SQ is better than Sirius right now, who cares??!! It offers nothing!!! but lame music, commericals and blah blah blah!!! Sirius kicks ass!! If you don't have it yet, get it!!! The SQ and Customer Service need to improve and I am sure in time it will!!! GET SIRIUS!!!!!!!!!!!
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If you like FM so darn much, then hey... cancel your SIRIUS sub and enjoy the lack of variety and commercials is all I can tell. In the mean time I'll be enjoy the variety and low frequency and mono Sat Radio...
As I've said before...I will not renew my annual subscription because of this issue. The variety is great...but the sound quality makes Sirius good for nothing more than background music. When I'm in the car, I like to turn it up and really enjoy the music; but the lack of sound quality really takes away from that experience. So yes....FM or my MP3 player easily wins out.
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The facts of the matter is that Sirius does not have the bandwith, dynamic range, stereo separation and clear high end of quality FM and it never will as long as technology remains the same as it is now.
I haven't read one person in the thread say that SIRIUS sounds better than FM. What I have read is that folks are accepting of the SQ due to the fact that they can listen pretty much anymore and they have great variety, along with commercial free music. The SQ debate has been around since Sat Radio started. I don't think it is nearly the issue that some of you make it out to be. Again if you aren't happy then by all means cancel your sub and let them know WHY. If about a half million or so of you cancel for this reason and they see a trend and improve it. Then we all win, including those of us that are acutally okay with the SQ.

By the way demodave.. I crank my SIRIUS tuner up all the time and I find it very acceptable. I think you guys spend so darn much time comparing that no matter what you'll never been satisified, so you should be stuck with mp3 players and FM.
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did you notice that lame ass music and 15 songs over and over agin in true stereo also??? fm radio sucks!! kill it!! sirius rules! fm just sucks!
You're kidding, right? Our local FM plays wider variety than Sirius by far. The Sirius playlists are tight on most of their stations, if anything they emulate the FM playlist concept.

That said, I do not have a beef about the Sirius playlist. I get why they do it and I found XMs to be too deep at times.
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Number one I have friends that work in FM and I can tell you for a fact the local channels in my area one in particular that I know about is programmed for 22 minutes of commercials every hour, so I am not exaggerating in the slightest.

I have no intention to hook up my antenna or listen to FM as I have ZERO desire to do so. But I'll invite you to come on down to Central, La and with your nice FM setup you can actually time those 22 minutes of high frequency and super stereo seperation commercials.

By the way anyone that has read my post over the years know I am far from being a mindless Sirius Fanboy. You are so typical of someone that can't get your point across without reverting to name calling.

If you like FM so darn much, then hey... cancel your SIRIUS sub and enjoy the lack of variety and commercials is all I can tell. In the mean time I'll be enjoy the variety and low frequency and mono Sat Radio...
Clear Channel made a big deal out of reducing spots. Locally (Minneapolis) average spots are down to around 12 minutes an hour. As noted before, playlists are also much deeper than before.

Even at that I agree that is too many commercials. While we all agree that their are sound quality issues, I can sure understand that they do not bother everyone.

And I agree, the debate is good, but name calling doesn't belong here.
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You're kidding, right? Our local FM plays wider variety than Sirius by far. The Sirius playlists are tight on most of their stations, if anything they emulate the FM playlist concept.

That said, I do not have a beef about the Sirius playlist. I get why they do it and I found XMs to be too deep at times.

well i have never even heard outlaw country on fm. no all elvis on fm. wheres the deep track album rock on fm??? ????
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Clear Channel made a big deal out of reducing spots. Locally (Minneapolis) average spots are down to around 12 minutes an hour. As noted before, playlists are also much deeper than before.
Well I think they are having to do this in certain markets. I can assure you though in most rural markets they are still loaded with commercials. The station in particular that my buddy works at isn't a CC station. But he told me that in this market CC stations dropped from around 22 minutes an hour to 18 minutes an hour. Still way more than I want to endure.

Also the playlist aren't deeper according to him than they were 4 years ago when I quit listening. I've visted in him the studio a couple of times, so I am not totally out of the loop on FM, but I certainly don't listen to it as a comparison to Sat Radio.

I think johnnyfever brings up the most relevent argument... the content is JUST not available via FM. I can't listen to Court TV. I can't listen to CNN/Fox or CNN headline news while on long trips. I can't bring my television with me, but I can listen to many sports. The thing that folks fail to realize... we are not longer tied to our televisions anymore. Today a prime example was the USC and UCLA game. I had to make a trip after watching the first half. Well guess what I was able to catch that game and it was GREAT. This is a HUGE benefit of Sat Radio over FM.

Now in regards to the SQ Sat Radio vs FM... I don't think my local FM sounds that much better and so what if it does... it doesn't offer me any freaking thing else, so why do I want to listen to it? I don't!!! SIRIUS and XM may not have great SQ, but they do have the content that I am interested in having when I want to have it.
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on my truck radio sirius and xm sound great. for some reason not quite as ggod in the home docks but thats ok. i have a 128k stereo stream inside to listen to sirius on. my computer is hooked up to my home stereo. and i have the xm music channels on directtv which sound great! and in my hometown we have 3 formats. country, top 40 and ac...thats it!! no slayer, danzig, johnny cash, velvet reevolver, humble pie...nothing..zilch!!! not even a jack fm! which is like sirius shuffle. case and point. if you dont like sirius ..then be my guest..cancel your sub and endure the torture of long commercial sets and no music every morning!! and afternoon!
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Indeed, the sound suffers from noticeable trembling these days. I won't use the word fluttering anymore because not everyone can relate to it!!!

But the most absurd thought that comes to my mind after reading all of this is that if a sufficient number of prople were to take things to heart and cancel their subscriptions over a short span, let's say a day or two and justified cancelation on poor SQ, you can bet Sirius would do something about it and quick. Now this would be a tangible move that would produce tangible results. Are there 10 000 of us out there that can be reached and in a concerted effort, be ready to act. I wonder.

What if a thousand of us called over a day and demanded cancelation of their yearly plan due to poor sound (I just renewed mine on Nov. 7!!!), I wonder if that would produce something.

Meanwhile, I just moved onto the top floor of a tall appartment complex in suburbia Montreal and guess what, there's a window in the hallway leading to my appartment and what's in sight, just hanging two feet outside that window? A nice Sirius repeater! Now I get radio rock solid anywhere I go in this building from the underground parking lot to the most obscure closit. Poor sound but strong signal! Now this close to a Sirius transmitter has the adverse effect of... almost fully cutting off XM signal to my little XM Pioneer Airware!
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But the most absurd thought that comes to my mind after reading all of this is that if a sufficient number of prople were to take things to heart and cancel their subscriptions over a short span, let's say a day or two and justified cancelation on poor SQ, you can bet Sirius would do something about it and quick. Now this would be a tangible move that would produce tangible results. Are there 10 000 of us out there that can be reached and in a concerted effort, be ready to act. I wonder.
Good luck with that... I think it would take more than 10,000 to get their attention. The fact is you probably can't get 100, much less 10,000 to do this. SQ like censorship folks talk a lot, but they rarely do anything about it, including canceling it seems. I agree with you though if enough canceled and told them it was because of SQ this would indeed get their attention. But I think it would take a substantial number, not just 10,000. But the real deal is you aren't going to get that, if you got a 100 people I'd be surprised.
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Good luck with that... I think it would take more than 10,000 to get their attention. The fact is you probably can't get 100, much less 10,000 to do this. SQ like censorship folks talk a lot, but they rarely do anything about it, including canceling it seems. I agree with you though if enough canceled and told them it was because of SQ this would indeed get their attention. But I think it would take a substantial number, not just 10,000. But the real deal is you aren't going to get that, if you got a 100 people I'd be surprised.
Sound quality is better as of 12-6-06 pretty much sounds good from 1-up.
Wonder if they stopped testing video....
Someone on xm411 said they were doing a massive upgrade to SQ ,will it stay ?
Tune in and see...
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I agree. It has sounded pretty good. I also noted a bit more stereo separation.
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The truth of the matter is if Sirius had spent the $700 million they have wasted on the smut of Howard Stern, they could have taken this $700 million and developed many new advances in codecs to provide better sound.

I am firmly against the money that was wasted on Howard Stern. He is nothing but smut and vile pornogrpahy and is about as vile and disgusting as you can get.

I ask you: Would you put garbage in your stomach? Then, why put it in your head with Howard Stern?

Think about it.
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The truth of the matter is if Sirius had spent the $700 million they have wasted on the smut of Howard Stern, they could have taken this $700 million and developed many new advances in codecs to provide better sound.

I am firmly against the money that was wasted on Howard Stern. He is nothing but smut and vile pornogrpahy and is about as vile and disgusting as you can get.

I ask you: Would you put garbage in your stomach? Then, why put it in your head with Howard Stern?

Think about it.

BEFORE I EVEN START, let me point out how to tell if someone is talking out their DONKEY.

"$700 million they have wasted on the smut of Howard Stern"

We are now up to $700MILLION. That's a nice number you just made up there.

Also, THERE WAS NO $700MILLION TO DEAL WITH BEFORE THEY SIGNED STERN.

They only had the revenue of 600K subs to play with. With stern, he had a GUARANTEED FOLLOWING that they could play with.

STOP MAKING UP NONSENSE. IF YOU DON'T LIKE SIRIUS OR STERN BUY XM AND GET ON WITH LIFE.
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Why did SONY who INVENTED THE CD PLAYER take 20years to make a SKIP FREE MODEL?

How dare they waste OUR time and money for ALL THOSE YEARS.
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