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Old 02-26-2007, 11:28 PM   #16
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Some good points by all, but it still comes down to preference. As has been said, I like having both now that I have XM. I like XM. Their sound quality is at once really great, then I hear a word with an S in it and I want to throw my Nexus into the street.

If the music channels started sounding like XM's after the proposed merger, where you do get great music, but everything else is cheesy sounding? Then I might reconsider this satellite thing.
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Old 02-27-2007, 04:17 AM   #17
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I don't think you could be more wrong about XM being unrepetitive....I have to listen to XM at work all day (cant get a good Sirius signal) and they repeat songs like CrAzY!!! If I have to hear "Big Black Horse and a Cherry Tree" one more time I'm going to go out and shoot that horse and chop down the friggin cherry tree!!
As a dual subscriber for the last few years, I agree with you.

An XM subscriber on one of the XM forums stated that XM played the same song 35 times in 7 days, on one channel, according to Mediabase. And it was not one of the "hits" channels like 20 on 20, where heavy repetition is to be expected.

XM plays more repeats than most people think. Sirius has room for improvement, but the repetition is not as bad as some people claim.
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Well, personally I and many many many other people are a little too busy to listen to XM's wide scheme of things, if that's what they're actually targeting.

I frankly don't want to sift through the crap in the short time span I have to devote to radio every day. If they're gonna fill up their schedules with songs that are dull and boring, I might as well listen to the commercials on terrestrial radio, because it's essentially the same thing (passive versus active listening). Sirius reminds me of the energy that major market radio had while I was in my teens.

XM, regardless of the channel's format, reminds me of a small 'adult contemporary' station in my town that I would tune to on my clock radio (It was the only station it would pick up.) The station's programming was satellite delivered and was completely and positively bland. It is what XM reminds me of. And as I said before, I'm not just talking about the music. XM's production flat out blows. And their song transitions are so loose that they sound like an IPOD.

Of course this is my opinion, and I do see where some people might like the dull IPOD-ish sound. But I, like many others with Sirius, enjoy the fact that Sirius has the ADD factor. That's why it's been great having two sat services. You don't like one, you go to the other. Each has a very distinctive style.

Personally, I would kiss satellite radio goodbye if that idealist Lee Abrams ever came near my Sirius channels. I'm sure he's a genius to some, but he certainly isn't my cup of tea.
I think Sirius/XM would do well to keep each others music seperated....however I fear this will not happen and I see many unhappy subs
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Old 02-28-2007, 02:48 AM   #19
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I've heard the same song--often Buddy Greco's Around the World In 80 Days, Sammy Davis's Just Once in a Lifetime, or Bobby Darrin's Artificial Flowers--repeat only hours apart.
I just did a search at Dogstar Radio from February 19-27, and Buddy Greco's "Around the World..." was only played once a day on Standard Time during that period. Except for the 22nd, when it wasn't played at all.

No offense, but I believe you're exaggerating a bit.
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All of this is like a lot of radio stations who are all about their “message” but have NO substance. It’s all the best, the greatest, the most…complete with direct mail with highly unbelievable faces of “pop stars” and “phoners” with Anna Nicole’s Mom. I just hope we at XM can do our part to be an escape from this level of celebrity madness that WILL drive those who become linked to it, down an inevitable path of failure.

…as predicted last year in an earlier blog—Katie Couric is dead last in the Network News ratings. Of course she is. The bozos at CBS News apparently bought into the “celeb doing news” thing—thank God most of America did not. HOW do these people make these decisions? We at XM make some bad decisions sometimes as everyone does, but something THIS obvious? My problem with most celebrity worship is that celebrating these damned souls takes time away from the celebrities with talent that actually contribute something. Junk culture does NOT nourish our future.
^The pot calling the kettle black.

Funny, but Lee didn't say anything about XM signing the undisputed queen of junk culture, Oprah.

Not to mention Ellen DeGeneres, Snoop Dogg, etc.

XM does "junk culture" as well as anybody.
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This man lives, and breathes music. If a XM channels channel is falling apart, he'll be the first to say "We almost killed Ethel" (Actual quote), if it's failing, he will actually pubically acknowledge it, tell you why, admit guilt, and tell you how it will be fixed.
No offense, but if he's the great music guru and programmer you suggest he is, why did he "almost kill" Ethel? Somebody who really had their act together wouldn't let it get that bad to begin with.
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Yes, XM has a knack for repeating the hell out of songs that are lesser known, or ones that were just not very popular back in their day. Essentially they are repeating songs that seem to be, IMO, the programmers personal favorites. Sirius' repetitive approach, on the other hand, is much more chart based. Personally, I'd rather have hit songs repeated more often than the mediocre ones. Especially, where rock, top 40, and hot adult contemporary are concerned, XM literally drove me to listen to Sirius full time when they changed their method a few years ago.

Also, XM appears to sound like they play much more music than Sirius. It's because there is a high probability that you'll only passively listen to some of their songs because many of them are simply plain and boring. (there is a reason they didn't chart well) That being said, you likely won't even notice the song when it plays again three or four hours later. But if it were a popular song, you'd be ten times more likely to notice.

Sirius also does something I love that XM doesn't. Sirius programs recurrents. This means that 1 year from the time a song was first aired, it will begin to air again in regular rotation for a somewhat short period of time. This allows the listener to become nostalgic of events, season, and personal situations that were present when you first heard the song aired. Terrestrial radio also uses this methodology (In between the huge commercial loads of course!)

For example, most Area 33 listeners probably have noticed that Area 33 is playing significantly more trance now than they have been for the past 8 months or so. And most of those trance songs airing are ones from this exact time last year. For me it's extremely nostalgic, because about this time last year I took an 8 hour (total) drive to Dallas and back. On my trip I listened to Area 33 almost exclusively. Being relatively new to Texas, I 'zoned' out watching the springtime scenery, because spring in February and March, is completely unheard of being from where I'm from. Sadly, the 'recurrents' have also made me realize that Area 33 has really lost it's trance edge over this past year.

XM does none of this. That's why I can't ever get a warm fuzzy feeling about XM's programming. There literally is no method to their programming. They are literally an IPOD on shuffle that just repeats the songs you really don't want to hear. Also, don't forget those low budget, boring, 2 minute long sweepers in between the songs that XM has. Talk about a snore fest?

Personally, the merger terrifies me because of this. Sirius, PLEASE be selective about who you bring over from XM to program. I have a pulse and I like my music to have one too!


You made several very good points. As a dual subscriber, I agree with virtually everything you said.
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Sirius gets me into a party mode better than XM does. XM seems far mor concerned on the music, but that doesn't automatically make it funner to listen to.
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^The pot calling the kettle black.

Funny, but Lee didn't say anything about XM signing the undisputed queen of junk culture, Oprah.

Not to mention Ellen DeGeneres, Snoop Dogg, etc.

XM does "junk culture" as well as anybody.
I think what he was saying, being bombarded by it will you kill

ie: Faction has more useless celebrity with shows, guests hosting, etc then all of XM combined.
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No offense, but if he's the great music guru and programmer you suggest he is, why did he "almost kill" Ethel? Somebody who really had their act together wouldn't let it get that bad to begin with.
Don't take this personal, or as a pop shot, it's not.

You obviously never ran a business or where in charge of a large # of people(in this case radio channels). You can't watch, pay attention or generally baby sit every single person under you. It's virtually impossible. The only way you find out there is a problem is by feedback from others. Surveys etc. Once you figure out there is a problem you have to investigate said problem, find out why it's happening and what we can do to find a solution to this problem. With 7 million subscribers, you could get, 50 emails saying "ETHEL SUCKS", well honestly, with 7 million customers, are you really going to take 50 emails over the course of a month about a specific channel seriously?
Added to those 50 emails about ethel you also received a total combined count of 2000 emails of comments ranging from the rest of your 130+ music channels. The process of actually spotting a possible programming problem, doing research that confirms there is indeed a legit problem, then like I said earlier, figuring out a solution to fix said problem is a daunting task.

It's a fine line, you have to be 100% sure that this problem isn't isolated to 10% of that channels audience, cause if you change something that really only 10% of the audience is unhappy with, you just pissed off 90% of that listening audience.

I'm sure I only scratched the surface of what these guys in charge of music channels must go through, XM and Sirius. It's definitly not a job I would want.
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Faction has more useless celebrity with shows, guests hosting, etc then all of XM combined.
A wild exaggeration on your part.
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