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Old 01-02-2007, 03:53 PM   #16
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Hardwire your unit into your car and then tweak the car stereo settings. That’s the only way to get the best SQ. These P&P units were designed for ease of connection and transport. If you don’t want to do that then of course you won’t be happy.
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Old 01-02-2007, 06:08 PM   #17
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At home I connected Sirius to my computer and run it through winamp. This allows me to put the signal through the winamp equalizer to minimize some of the frequencies that cause more noticeable compression in sirius codec. I then have a plugin for winamp that emulates a 5.1 signal. This setup actually sounds pretty good.... still not as good as cd's though.

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How did you do this? I have winamp and I have the line in plugin for it but I cant figure out how to open it up. Ive recently gotten good speaker for my computer and have wanted a way to put an equalizer on it to get the sound right. Any help would be appreciated.
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Old 01-02-2007, 07:49 PM   #18
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Unfortuneately Sirius has CHOSEN to offer very lousy sound quality. Just compare the sound quality on channel 1 with the sound on channel 2 or 3 or 4 or ... and you can see that they have the capability to offer relative good sound quality. The quality varies by channel and also by time of day.
The problem is that they have too many channels in the stream and they are allocating limited bandwidth accross all the channels using some type of algorithm at every point in time. The only way to improve the quality is for
1) Sirius gets more bandwidth from FCC ... highly unlikely
2) Sirius reduces number of channels ... Mel K. does not have the courage
3) Sirius improves coding/decoding technology ... possible but likely would involve new radios
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just to say what everyone else has already said..if you are using an fm mod thats the problem. i have no problems with the sirius sq. and i AM an audiophile of course mine is direct connect.
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Unfortuneately Sirius has CHOSEN to offer very lousy sound quality. Just compare the sound quality on channel 1 with the sound on channel 2 or 3 or 4 or ... and you can see that they have the capability to offer relative good sound quality. The quality varies by channel and also by time of day.
The problem is that they have too many channels in the stream and they are allocating limited bandwidth accross all the channels using some type of algorithm at every point in time. The only way to improve the quality is for
1) Sirius gets more bandwidth from FCC ... highly unlikely
2) Sirius reduces number of channels ... Mel K. does not have the courage
3) Sirius improves coding/decoding technology ... possible but likely would involve new radios
Well said, rockmusicfan! #1 will not happen. #2 SHOULD happen! and #3 will be difficult to be backwardly compatible with the installed base of radios. I strongly think that they should cut back on the number of channels for the sake of improved quality. Currently the sound quality of Sirius is somewhere between AM and FM radio which is pretty bad. At home, I have hooked an old PC to my stereo which sounds much better with the Sirius premium Internet stream than the satellite broadcast. Also, its cheaper -- only $2.99 per month for the HQ stream vs. $6.99 per month for another radio subscription. If you can find an old PC, this is the way to get the best possible Sirius sound quality at home. I the car, obviously direct connect is the best you can do.

But the bottom line is that the only quick fix to the poor satellite quality it to reduce the number of channels.
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Well said, rockmusicfan! #1 will not happen. #2 SHOULD happen! and #3 will be difficult to be backwardly compatible with the installed base of radios. I strongly think that they should cut back on the number of channels for the sake of improved quality. Currently the sound quality of Sirius is somewhere between AM and FM radio which is pretty bad. At home, I have hooked an old PC to my stereo which sounds much better with the Sirius premium Internet stream than the satellite broadcast. Also, its cheaper -- only $2.99 per month for the HQ stream vs. $6.99 per month for another radio subscription. If you can find an old PC, this is the way to get the best possible Sirius sound quality at home. I the car, obviously direct connect is the best you can do.

But the bottom line is that the only quick fix to the poor satellite quality it to reduce the number of channels.
If it comes down to a choice of sacrificing quantity of channels for quality of SOME music channels I will choose the former everytime....the major reason I am a sub is the many choices sirius offers. If I don't like what's on one channel I can always find something else to listen to. IMO dumping channels would be a mistake
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I dont listen to very many channels, but its nice to know they are there. If Sirius starts to take away channels then it loses variety and where does that leave us consumers at? with a pay service that is the same as testicle radio.
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Sirius just lacks fidelity. When I hear a favorite song I turn up the volume to 'feel' the music. With Sirius, no matter how much I turn it up I don't really 'feel' the music most of the time. I used to get that feeling from FM radio, so I know that Sirius is not quite FM quality.
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sirius is not fm!! ok!! if you want the clarity of fm and the same 20 songs over and over again with 20 minutes of commercials than for gods sake listen to fm!
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It always amazes me how people comment without reading the complete original post... I KNOW the sound using the FM transmitter is gonna be garbage, which is why I checked it straight out of the AUDIO OUT. (Look for the "BUT" in my first post.)

Anyways, if anybody's following the saga, I decided to keep it. I think the SQ depends a lot on the conditions. It never did sound good on the headphones direct. At Radio Shack on the boombox it always sounds good. But it did sound pretty good on my home stereo. The trick is that they get you with the talk. You listen to that and you really don't care much what it sounds like. The music side of things is pretty dissapointing. I basically live music for a living, and I expected better..

They're not going to reduce the number of channels. That's the draw. They get people signed up, and they realize the audio sucks but they live with it. Just like me.
Compression and coding technologies change and get better over time. They will be able to improve the quality. But they won't take away channels to do it! When they find the ability to improve audio quality they'll probably add channels.
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Anyways, if anybody's following the saga, I decided to keep it. I think the SQ depends a lot on the conditions. It never did sound good on the headphones direct. At Radio Shack on the boombox it always sounds good. But it did sound pretty good on my home stereo. The trick is that they get you with the talk. You listen to that and you really don't care much what it sounds like. The music side of things is pretty dissapointing. I basically live music for a living, and I expected better..
One thing to keep in mind is that the SQ will swing from time to time. There have been times when the SQ got so bad that I just stopped listening for a while. Then, after a few months, I'd go back and it'd be fine again. Right now I think it's OK.

It's funny you mentioned the talk side of it. I think Sirius has some pretty lousy talk radio. XM, to me, offers better talk radio (I'm on the edge of getting it just for that). Outside of Stern (who I think is OK but I'd never seek him out) I don't think Sirius really has a great selection. Just a bunch of people rattling off what they heard someone else say (from both sides of the argument - I don't think their conservative or liberal hosts are any better than the other). It's like original thought is missing. I'll grant you this: I haven't listened to them in a while (probably about a year) so it may be better now.
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It's funny you mentioned the talk side of it. I think Sirius has some pretty lousy talk radio. XM, to me, offers better talk radio (I'm on the edge of getting it just for that). Outside of Stern (who I think is OK but I'd never seek him out) I don't think Sirius really has a great selection. Just a bunch of people rattling off what they heard someone else say (from both sides of the argument - I don't think their conservative or liberal hosts are any better than the other). It's like original thought is missing. I'll grant you this: I haven't listened to them in a while (probably about a year) so it may be better now.
You can't live without Snoop Dogg huh? J/K I heard that was their big name. Thought I remember Ellen or something too. Sirius was a no brainer decision for me.. But they're both great I'm sure
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Let's cut to the chase. No matter how you install your unit (FM, Aux, Home, Car, Headphone, etc. ), if you compare Channel 1 vs. Channel 2 you can immediately see a major difference in sound quality. One can argue about the sound quality of Channel 1 vs. FM, MP3 or CD. However, everyone can easily hear that Channel 2 is has virtually no bass or treble or stereo effect as compared to Channel 1. Even worse, if you listen to a news channel like CNN you get the worst quality. How is this acceptable to everyone? What if your favorite muisc channel has the Channel 2 quality instead of the Channel 1 quality. How would you feel if your cable company started broadcasting your favorite TV Show in mono or changed the news channels to black & white? Please help me understand why everyone excepts this.
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sirius is not fm!! ok!! if you want the clarity of fm and the same 20 songs over and over again with 20 minutes of commercials than for gods sake listen to fm!
Something told me you hailed from XMFan.com....

We know that Sirius isn't FM, and we certainly don't want it to be. But that said, many of us have expectations that the SQ should be at least FM quality, not less.

So what your implying is that we should all go back to FM because we shouldn't expect the SQ to sound anywhere near that of FM? That's setting the bar pretty low IMO.
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Let's cut to the chase. No matter how you install your unit (FM, Aux, Home, Car, Headphone, etc. ), if you compare Channel 1 vs. Channel 2 you can immediately see a major difference in sound quality. One can argue about the sound quality of Channel 1 vs. FM, MP3 or CD. However, everyone can easily hear that Channel 2 is has virtually no bass or treble or stereo effect as compared to Channel 1. Even worse, if you listen to a news channel like CNN you get the worst quality. How is this acceptable to everyone? What if your favorite muisc channel has the Channel 2 quality instead of the Channel 1 quality. How would you feel if your cable company started broadcasting your favorite TV Show in mono or changed the news channels to black & white? Please help me understand why everyone excepts this.
I don't listen to channel 2 and the channels I like sound fine to me and most important content is king. I could listen to better sounding free radio that plays nothing I want to hear or I can pay for a service that has issues based on the amount of bandwith available that has stuff I want to hear, it just might not sound clear as crystal.

It would be great if Sirius sounded better then cds or whatever the best quality benchmark is atm, but unless they get a huge increase of bandwith they are stuck.

I would not be willing to lose up to half the amount of stations we get just so the letter s would sound better.
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