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Old 01-23-2007, 11:51 AM   #1
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Default Sirius' biggest problem...

...is consistency.

This rant has been building for a while now. The news about OutQ moving brought it "out of the closet," so to speak, even though I have never listened to OutQ (sure! ).

Sirius' programming has absolutely no consistency whatsoever. No sooner do they roll out channels and build some brand recognition and listener loyalty, then they go and change the lineup. And delete your favorite channel. Or move it. Or turn it into a 24-7 single artist channel featuring a dried up classic rock act for months at a time. Or keep the name and change the format. Or include a programming guide on the website that doesn't match what you hear on the air. And all the while, they offer weak and wishy-washy promises of "soon to return" or "find this music on channel blah-blah-blah instead" -- promises that turn into lies in the end.

This is the kind of crap that terrestrial radio pulls - you wake up one day, and suddenly your favorite station is now Lite Hits of the 70's and 80's, or Jack FM, or some other deplorable "format."

I love satellite radio and I really like Sirius overall, but the constant channel changes are just...stupid.
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:51 PM   #2
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I think they said OUTQ is staying? You are right though. They have done some goofy shit. Why have a Who channel? Or Stones channel?
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Old 01-23-2007, 01:11 PM   #3
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I think you're exaggerating a little.
To my knowledge, there have been a total of 4 all-artist channels since I've been a subscriber (May 2004). Elvis, Springsteen, The Stones, and The Who.
I don't really count Elvis because that's a permanent channel and is done in conjunction with Graceland.
And there have been very few channels that have been deleted in the nearly three years I've subscribed. The only one that really comes to mind is Fox News but that was due to a dispute and not just done on a whim...and it's back.
And finally - I can think of no format changes to existing channels. If nothing else, the playlists have been expanded on those channels (Hair Nation, Buzzsaw, etc) that suffered from repetition.

All this being said, I'm a subscriber but I'm not blind. I recognize that Sirius isn't perfect but I just haven't experienced the same things you're complaining about. Maybe we just listen to different channels, but every channel update that I've seen has ended up being for the better.
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Old 01-23-2007, 01:15 PM   #4
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Sigh.

Until, and if, the service reaches a sustainable mass of subscribers, it will always be the "channel of the moment" approach.

Today's offering is a Jamie Foxx channel. Tomorrow maybe the Britney Pop Classics. Next Month its the Clash Reunion Tour Channel.

Sadly, you won't get much live Jamie Foxx. Maybe none at all. Britney won't show more than once a month. The remaining Clash will cut some voice promos for drop-ins.

It's all promotion and marketing.

Essentially, with new subscriber acquisition so important, you are virtually guaranteed a parade of glitzy, attention grabbing "stars" that the dog will hitch a ride with.

Marketing at Sirius will always have its hand in the mix.

And as marketers, they will do what they do best---loud, splashy and probably TV-linked. Or the Movies. Those are the media marketers most appreciate.

The first thing they reach for are the visuals for promotion, even though radio isn't a visual medium.

And if a quick buck comes along from an artist tie-in, well, they'll never be making enough money to turn it down.
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Well I can think of one channel update I didn't like. I still miss Vacation... And to the original post, I didn't mind the 24/7 single artist channels because if I didn't want to hear them I didn't listen. But they should be on their OWN station, not at the expense of The Bridge... TWICE which was another station I enjoyed.
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.... And there have been very few channels that have been deleted in the nearly three years I've subscribed.
Huh?

Didn't you know about "Standard Time", which played classic swing jazz?

What about the island music (calypso, Hawaiian, etc.) on "Vacation"?

How about world music on "The Globe" (which never even appeared, but was supposed to replace a world music channel called "Horizons")?

I still love Sirius, but not as much as I did when there was more variety. For me, each channel change has meant less variety and has made Sirius less valuable to me.
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It irriates me too. I wish they'd hold off on channel changes for a least 1 year or so. It's just not necessary.. Do they really think Jamie Fox is gonna bring in subs?? Does he really have that much of a following?
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Old 01-23-2007, 08:18 PM   #8
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I was VERY dissatisfied with the LAST major channel update about 1 1/2 years ago. Hopefully Sirius uses this update to SIRIUSLY update their music channels and bring some fresh changes to the line-up.

For one thing, the dance channels need a MAJOR overhaul! Please bring back the most popular dance channel that Sirius EVER had...REMIX! The dance channels on XM are FAR superior to those of Sirius...there is NO COMPARISON between BPM and The Beat.
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I think you're exaggerating a little.
To my knowledge, there have been a total of 4 all-artist channels since I've been a subscriber (May 2004). Elvis, Springsteen, The Stones, and The Who.
I don't really count Elvis because that's a permanent channel and is done in conjunction with Graceland.
And there have been very few channels that have been deleted in the nearly three years I've subscribed. The only one that really comes to mind is Fox News but that was due to a dispute and not just done on a whim...and it's back.
And finally - I can think of no format changes to existing channels. If nothing else, the playlists have been expanded on those channels (Hair Nation, Buzzsaw, etc) that suffered from repetition.

All this being said, I'm a subscriber but I'm not blind. I recognize that Sirius isn't perfect but I just haven't experienced the same things you're complaining about. Maybe we just listen to different channels, but every channel update that I've seen has ended up being for the better.
To add to the examples the other posters have listed...Folk Town is gone. PRI World. The Border. WSM. And the Spectrum's format has changed from AAA to "40 years of rock" back to AAA now. And that's just off the top of my head.
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Old 01-24-2007, 09:49 AM   #10
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Seismo said: "And there have been very few channels that have been deleted in the nearly three years I've subscribed."

Not to be a jerk Seismo, but is sounds like you meant that there have very few channels ***that you care about*** that have been deleted.

Indeed, the reality is that a number of channels have been eliminated, not just Fox News, which received by far the most press and discussion.

REMIX comes most immediately to mind, unnoticed by most because it was a niche-type dance channel -- but hugely popular among the faithful. It's still gone.

CasualFan's observation about the elimination or rebranding of channels is quite legitimate.
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Not to be a jerk Seismo, but is sounds like you meant that there have very few channels ***that you care about*** that have been deleted.
True. Point taken.
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IMO, it's a sign that they are willing to try things to see if they will work or not. I'd rather see some changes than them locking into things whether they work or not. I would assume they are basing these changes on listenership and research and not just someone trying to mess up the good stuff. BTW, I can't say i've lost anything with changes so, yeah, anyway...
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