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Old 01-09-2007, 11:31 AM   #16
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Old 01-09-2007, 11:31 AM   #17
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I'm sorry, but what is Liquid Todd smoking? Saying that Sirius is kicking XM's a*s in the dance category is just plain laughable. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Sirius fan and have always preferred them overall, but when it comes to the dance/electronica category, XM is obviously better than Sirius at this point.
The dance format that I listen to the most is the mainstream "dance hits" format, and "the Beat" is a SORRY, horribly programmed mess. "BPM" on XM is heads and shoulders above "the Beat" in every single way. "The Beat" used to be a much better channel until about a year ago. Whoever made the stupid decision to add 80s mainstream, new wave stuff and other oddball gold to the channel should be fired immediately. Granted, in the past, 'the Beat" might have been a bit repititious, but at least the music made sense. Now, the music on "the Beat" makes no sense whatsoever. It sounds like a big jumbled mess of random tracks thrown on shuffle that don't flow well and often don't even belong. Also, the "imaging" (sweepers, station ID's, drops etc.) are awful. The channel used to have a great "sound" and "presentation" and sounded professional, but now the sweepers and elements sound cheap and like something someone made in their basement. Whoever was making the programming decisions a couple of years ago at "the Beat" was doing a much better job. Whoever is calling the shots now, doesn't have a clue and is totally out of touch.

On the other hand, "BPM" at XM has steadily improved over the past 2 or 3 years. Skyy and Alan Freed are great programmers that are playing "true", current dance hits (including imports!!!!! Ever hear of that idea Sirius?) Also, they seem to choose the best mixes of tracks and they constantly add new stuff. Also, Skyy and Alan provide real info on the artists, dj's, and dance happenings, while the dj's on Sirius just talk about pop culture junk and read liner cards about other channels. So for dance hits, I, along with 99% of the other dance fans here would choose "BPM" over "the Beat".

Also, as far as the other channels go, "Area 33" is pretty good (although I would still prefer two seperate channels dedicated to house and trance). I would gladly cut either "Boombox" or "Chill" for dedicated house and trance channels. (and many dance fans here would say the same). I know Liquid Todd is a huge supporter of breakbeats/drum and bass, and "Boombox", but whether he wants to admit or not, there are many more fans of trance and house, and many more who would be interested in dedicated channels for those formats than a breaks/d'nb/electro rock channel like "Boombox". (At least among the pure dance fans. I think "Boombox" has more appeal to the rock/hip hop crowd that just occasionally flips by the dance category. I wish Sirius would pay more attention to the pure dance fans and less to the casual listeners.) I know I would gladly give up the niche channels like "Boombox" and "Chill" for dedicated House and Trance Channels, and a return of a "Remix" type channel.

Anyway, sorry for rambling, but I found Liquid Todd's comments about kicking XM's a*s in dance quite a funny piece of laughable propaganda. Todd, just looking at two channels; Can you honestly say you think "the Beat" sounds better than "BPM"? If so, I give up.

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Old 01-09-2007, 11:39 AM   #18
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Whats all this i'm reading about as far as Trance/Progressive house going away/taking a back seat, even on satellite?? I'm on Sirius as of late and one of the main channels i listen to is Area 33. Should i fear that this staiton and others like it are going to take away the music i like the most? Whats the office story behind all this?

There is no story, they are insistent upon killing the channels, which in my opinion they have done already
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Old 01-09-2007, 12:00 PM   #19
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I actually stopped listening to Area 33 for months because the playlists were so stale. I could literally hear the same song on the way to work in the morning, when I went to lunch and then again when I left to go back home. To hear the same song three different times during the day, all when I was in the car was maddening to say the least.

Now that football is about over, I'll be coming back to the music, so I'm PRAYING that it's different. I have noticed a lot of the sets and shows that Area 33 is spinning and they quite simply, kick ass! What is killing me is the playlists in between! Dance4life, which is a song I enjoy, must be getting 6 to 8 spins a day, it's insane. There are quite a few other ones out there, we all know what they are and strangely, we all agree there is too much repetition.

I respect liquid todd immensely, he has done a lot of great things both inside and outside of Sirius, so I'm hoping he's not just blowing smoke up our asses. I know Sirius has to appeal to as many people as possible to keep and grow subs, but being that we already lost a dance channel recently, you'd think the playlists would be broader than ever... but they're not.

I honestly feel like a broken record and I hate that. I've been here for years and except for that blissful nirvana we had when The Vortex was around, it's been pretty much the same shit, different day, with spurts of hope here and there. I love this product and this genre, but the years long stranglehold on the playlists has got to go, please!
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Old 01-09-2007, 08:30 PM   #20
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I think most people found the comment that Sirius was kicking XM's ass funny. I don't think he really believes that though aince LT seems to have knowledge of dance. Anyone who knows dance would never make a comment like that and actually mean it. Michel Visage came on here and pretty much said the same thing...fast forward a month or two and she handed her resignation letter in because she didn't like where the station was going.

Maybe he really does believe that though (along with the rest of the dance dept) and this is why, The Beat especially, is where it's at now (because they actually believe it's that great of a station).

I think most people are in agreement with how horrible The Beat is, except for management or whoever makes the final decisions. The people who do know how bad it is, unfotuntately, are not in the position to change anything. It seems like they are under a lot of pressure by their subscribers about how horrible it's become and I think they MAY be getting the hint now (with the exception of management). The changes they should make I don't see Sirius doing though. Sirius dance really does need an overhaul. Like I said, Area 33 is improving and is going in the right direction. I don't listen to Boombox or Chill, so I can't really comment on that. From what I have heard, they can easily be added to a different category if needed, IMO. I really don't need to say what needs to be changed because all you have to do is go back and look at the past threads to see what everyone is saying. I doubt things will get any better in the near future and I defintely don't see Sirius listening to what us the subscribers want out of the dance channels. One positive thing I can maybe see going for the dance category is the retirement of Clark.
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Old 01-09-2007, 08:56 PM   #21
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One positive thing I can maybe see going for the dance category is the retirement of Clark.

Thats the third time I've seen a coment like that. Is this "Old" Man really the reason behind The Beat? If so, good riddance. Take your fat check and go away!
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Old 01-10-2007, 12:44 AM   #22
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Wow...what a great bunch of HONEST comments about the dance dept. at Sirius. I wonder if Liquid Todd is reads what we have to say and agrees with us or not? I too about fell back in my chair in laughter about what he had to say about Sirius kicking the ass out of XM's dance channels and how they all sound the same. I can't in my right mind imagine ANYONE thinking that The Beat is a well-programmed dance channel. One of the most amazing things is that the crap that comes out this channel has continued for nearly a year now! I'm still in the state of shock reading this board and seeing all these Sirius fans comment about how much better XM dance is than Sirius. Two years ago, people were saying the opposite BY FAR!

It seems so simple to fix the dance dept. at Sirius...just listen to what people have to say on this board! We are the ones with the true passion for Sirius dance and we're all making the SAME complaints/comments about Sirius dance!
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Old 01-10-2007, 10:12 AM   #23
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I have both services and, sad to say, there is a lot of grumbling on xm411 about the quality of BPM nowadays. My wife and I both have noticed that BPM has definitely gone downhill recently - even so, it is still better than the Beat which is saying something.

Found this one at xmfan.com: Is BPM changing into the Beat?

http://xmfan.com/viewtopic.php?t=74960

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Old 01-10-2007, 12:01 PM   #24
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As long as Boombox and Area 33 keep improving I will be happy. It would be nice if they did something with the Chill channel and add some personality with djs and shows.

Who gives a shit about dance hits? IMO dance hits are for top 40 fans. Take The Beat and put it under the Pop menu for all I care.
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Old 01-10-2007, 12:27 PM   #25
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Who gives a shit about dance hits? IMO dance hits are for top 40 fans. Take The Beat and put it under the Pop menu for all I care.
Dance hits are NOT just for top 40 fans, but that's not what The Beat would have you believe. Many, if not most, pure mainstream dance songs are just edits of the type of stuff they play on Area 33. If you look at many dance hit stations, they are playing electro house (stuff like Dirty South, Fedde Le Grand), trance, breaks, etc. They are just edited and presented in a top 40/CHR manner. But it doesn't mean a true dance hits station belongs in a pop category.
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Old 01-23-2007, 03:56 PM   #26
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Dance hits are NOT just for top 40 fans, but that's not what The Beat would have you believe. Many, if not most, pure mainstream dance songs are just edits of the type of stuff they play on Area 33. If you look at many dance hit stations, they are playing electro house (stuff like Dirty South, Fedde Le Grand), trance, breaks, etc. They are just edited and presented in a top 40/CHR manner. But it doesn't mean a true dance hits station belongs in a pop category.


Maybe not, but it does belong in the trash. Listening to Britney Spears is not my idea of Dance music.
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Maybe not, but it does belong in the trash. Listening to Britney Spears is not my idea of Dance music.

I agree, Britney Spears is far from dance music. The Beat is not a typical dance hits station. For some reason, they overly rely on pop remixes and other irrelevant forms of electronic music as their foundation. In its current state, The Beat is NOT what you should think of when you hear the term "dance hits." They have steered their listeners toward misconception when it comes to this particular sub-genre.
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