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Old 12-11-2006, 07:03 AM   #1
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Default OK...so whats the story with Sirius and everyone else...

Whats all this i'm reading about as far as Trance/Progressive house going away/taking a back seat, even on satellite?? I'm on Sirius as of late and one of the main channels i listen to is Area 33. Should i fear that this staiton and others like it are going to take away the music i like the most? Whats the office story behind all this?
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Old 12-11-2006, 12:17 PM   #2
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Where didyou read this? Anything is possible with Sirius.
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i read it here in this forum, different thread...
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Old 12-11-2006, 08:14 PM   #4
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i read it here in this forum, different thread...
Then get XM. Trance, Prog and House are very alive and kicking.

But seriously, if your really into Trance.. just download sets from the net. It's the best way (: (:

I've got some PVD and Gabriel and Dresden Sirius shows and the stuff just comes off old, alot of the tracks. I don't know if everyone else found this, I'm probably getting old downloads. Eins Live Rocker are serious PVD sets, not Vonyc.

Just IMO... (:
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I really like Sirius....and would really like it if they went ahead and instead of playing the same songs over and over, did a very large, broad and wide selection of trance/progressive house.....after the sun goes down, thats all i listen to....theres got to be someone from there reading this. Just b/c trance/house/techno isnt "mainstream" doesnt mean it doesnt have a very following....my videos from the last 3 "raves" prove it.


....and look at Armin Van Buuren live @ Hala Ludowa (Wroclaw Poland) 02-05-2006....anyone ever see video from that?? simply amazing....

F**K hip hop/rap. We're paying for the service, why dont the providers listen??
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Exclamation Area 33 isn't going ANYWHERE

Arsenal, Steve and everyone else,

You don't need to get XM or download sets from the net because Area 33 isn't going anywhere. I don't do much work for that channel but I'm in the office almost every day and I haven't heard anything about it. We just signed Paul Van Dyk[/B] and Paul Oakenfold[/B] to do shows on Area 33 for crissakes!

Don't get all worked up about rumors. We've worked real hard on the dance channels at Sirius. They aren't going anywhere except up. And yeah, XM has trance and house - but that's about all they have. Most of the time you can flip between their dance channels and hear the same house beat pumping on all of 'em (besides XM Chill).

We are kicking their asses - even without Remix.

So Happy New Year everybody - especially the fans. I'm going to be hanging around on SBS more listening to what everybody* has to say.

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* Except Boges. You are STILL the most dour sourpuss on SBS. Still hating Sirius (and its employees), spreading gloom and doom and bitching about absolutely everything (over...and...over...). But this time I'm blown away because I have to agree with you. With Sirius "anything is possible!"

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Then get XM. Trance, Prog and House are very alive and kicking.

But seriously, if your really into Trance.. just download sets from the net. It's the best way (: (:

I've got some PVD and Gabriel and Dresden Sirius shows and the stuff just comes off old, alot of the tracks. I don't know if everyone else found this, I'm probably getting old downloads. Eins Live Rocker are serious PVD sets, not Vonyc.

Just IMO... (:
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Arsenal, Steve and everyone else,

You don't need to get XM or download sets from the net because Area 33 isn't going anywhere. I don't do much work for that channel but I'm in the office almost every day and I haven't heard anything about it. We just signed Paul Van Dyk[/B] and Paul Oakenfold[/B] to do shows on Area 33 for crissakes!

Don't get all worked up about rumors. We've worked real hard on the dance channels at Sirius. They aren't going anywhere except up. And yeah, XM has trance and house - but that's about all they have. Most of the time you can flip between their dance channels and hear the same house beat pumping on all of 'em (besides XM Chill).

We are kicking their asses - even without Remix.

So Happy New Year everybody - especially the fans. I'm going to be hanging around on SBS more listening to what everybody* has to say.

Love,
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* Except Boges. You are STILL the most dour sourpuss on SBS. Still hating Sirius (and its employees), spreading gloom and doom and bitching about absolutely everything (over...and...over...). But this time I'm blown away because I have to agree with you. With Sirius "anything is possible!"

Lighten up, Francis.
Two questions, please answer:

Why can't you widen the playlists on the dance channels? They are way too tight and you know it. Area 33 is a great station but the playlist is just too small.

What is the obsession with playing non-dance music on these channels...Boombox playing rock and The Beat playing 80's new wave. Why can't we have three real dance music channels like XM?
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Old 01-05-2007, 05:53 PM   #8
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I agree I like Area 33 to an extent. One of the reasons why I got Sirius in the first place was to expand the number of Dance channels I can get. I liked Area 33 because they play some of the stuff The System doesn't. But the repetition started to get to me and I quit listening for awhile (hell my radio sat on my desk collecting dust for a month or 2) and sent emails out complaining about the repetition. Mix shows was another of my complaints. They were just being aired at a time I could not listen and also because of a lack of mix shows. Well things have changed. It has been almost a year since I first signed up with Sirius (the day I joined SBS was the day I subbed) and things have improved slightly. More mix shows were added and at more convenient times. But the repetition still gets to me. For the love of god please expand the playlist!!! I'm trying not to sound like I'm bitching but I do have respect for Area 33 otherwise I would not be here. I'm just trying to add my $0.02 to help improve and I figure if one of the DJ's reads the posts here my voice can be heard (aside from the emails I send to Sirius.)
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Old 01-05-2007, 07:05 PM   #9
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Arsenal, Steve and everyone else,

You don't need to get XM or download sets from the net because Area 33 isn't going anywhere. I don't do much work for that channel but I'm in the office almost every day and I haven't heard anything about it. We just signed Paul Van Dyk[/B] and Paul Oakenfold[/B] to do shows on Area 33 for crissakes!

Don't get all worked up about rumors. We've worked real hard on the dance channels at Sirius. They aren't going anywhere except up. And yeah, XM has trance and house - but that's about all they have. Most of the time you can flip between their dance channels and hear the same house beat pumping on all of 'em (besides XM Chill).

We are kicking their asses - even without Remix.

So Happy New Year everybody - especially the fans. I'm going to be hanging around on SBS more listening to what everybody* has to say.

Love,
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* Except Boges. You are STILL the most dour sourpuss on SBS. Still hating Sirius (and its employees), spreading gloom and doom and bitching about absolutely everything (over...and...over...). But this time I'm blown away because I have to agree with you. With Sirius "anything is possible!"

Lighten up, Francis.
I kind of feel special I got mentioned. I guess I'm well known over there at Sirius. I think the "kicking their ass" comment could be up for debate. If you want to say you are kicking their ass, then bring back Remix (hint, hint). Anyways, Area 33 is MUCH better and is definitely improving. The only thing that needs to change there is the play list (expand it more, we all know you can do it if you want to).

As far as The Beat, it is getting a little better (which is not saying much since it was un-listenable for many months). See, the problem with The Beat (actually all of Sirius dance) is the repetition. The amount of dance songs that are out there and all you guys play are the same ones over and over. Even BBC radio plays more dance variety than The Beat. I would think that your play list would be much deeper than what it is. By playing 80s songs (not even the remixed versions, but the classic 80 songs) and dance from the 90s is not expanding the play list. People want to hear NEW songs. I don't see how that is asking a lot. Sprinkling in a few 80s and 90s dance is fine, and I'm sure most would agree with me on that. Also, throwing in a few pop remixes is fine too (would rather not hear them, but they do belong there). Just don't overburden everyone with it. I think the bottom line is that people want REAL dance music added. Not oldies, not pop mixes of Britney and Kelly Clarkson, but real dance music.

Call me a sour puss, but that is what Sirius management has turned me into. I mean you even had people hand in their resignation letters over there. People have even told me about the heated fights and arguments that broke out in your meetings, so to tell me I'm the only one who is not positive is a far stretch. One positive thing I did see was that Clark will be retiring. Hopefully things will change for the better now that one old timer is gone (I think there are too many dinosaurs running Sirius and they need younger people in the management positions). Also, I'm beginning to hear less about Howard which is also a good thing for Sirius dance IMO. Maybe Sirius is done putting all of their eggs in Howard's basket and is starting to spread them out more. I guess only time will tell.
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Old 01-05-2007, 09:54 PM   #10
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I'm very disappointed in the dance stations at Sirius. I just activated during xmas and I think I made a big mistake. I used to have Dish network 2 years ago and I would listen to the Beat non-stop so I thought it would be the same. Now it's complete crap! They need to move the station to the pop category. They play more pop songs than the top 40 station in Toronto for chrissakes!

Area 33 is good but it's the same songs repeated over and over, is it possible to include classic trance like from 1999 and 2000 in the playlist? Satellite radio is totally not what I expected.
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Old 01-06-2007, 12:06 AM   #11
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I kind of feel special I got mentioned. I guess I'm well known over there at Sirius. I think the "kicking their ass" comment could be up for debate. If you want to say you are kicking their ass, then bring back Remix (hint, hint). Anyways, Area 33 is MUCH better and is definitely improving. The only thing that needs to change there is the play list (expand it more, we all know you can do it if you want to).

As far as The Beat, it is getting a little better (which is not saying much since it was un-listenable for many months). See, the problem with The Beat (actually all of Sirius dance) is the repetition. The amount of dance songs that are out there and all you guys play are the same ones over and over. Even BBC radio plays more dance variety than The Beat. I would think that your play list would be much deeper than what it is. By playing 80s songs (not even the remixed versions, but the classic 80 songs) and dance from the 90s is not expanding the play list. People want to hear NEW songs. I don't see how that is asking a lot. Sprinkling in a few 80s and 90s dance is fine, and I'm sure most would agree with me on that. Also, throwing in a few pop remixes is fine too (would rather not hear them, but they do belong there). Just don't overburden everyone with it. I think the bottom line is that people want REAL dance music added. Not oldies, not pop mixes of Britney and Kelly Clarkson, but real dance music.

Call me a sour puss, but that is what Sirius management has turned me into. I mean you even had people hand in their resignation letters over there. People have even told me about the heated fights and arguments that broke out in your meetings, so to tell me I'm the only one who is not positive is a far stretch. One positive thing I did see was that Clark will be retiring. Hopefully things will change for the better now that one old timer is gone (I think there are too many dinosaurs running Sirius and they need younger people in the management positions). Also, I'm beginning to hear less about Howard which is also a good thing for Sirius dance IMO. Maybe Sirius is done putting all of their eggs in Howard's basket and is starting to spread them out more. I guess only time will tell.

I have nothing bad to say about Area 33. I do like it better than XM's System/Move.

BUT.. They aren't really kicking XM's ass. The flagship format is Dance hits and thats an area where The Beat fails and BPM shines.

And I don't hear how The Beat is getting any better. hell they haven't added anything new in 2 weeks and that was just 1 song.
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Old 01-06-2007, 03:32 AM   #12
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I've had words in the past with Liquid Todd, but it's a new year and I'm wanna leave that in the past.

In my humble opinion, Area 33 is the only channel that shows marked improvement. I agree with what everyone else is saying about Area 33...the mixshows have DRASTICALLY improved, but the playlist is STALE as ever.

Boombox is really not my cup of tea, but I've heard there has been some improvement there with cutting down on the rap and rock.

Chill is another channel that isn't my cup of tea, but I occasionally listen. I prefer XM Chill over Sirius Chill since XM keeps the rock to a minimum on there.

The Beat is a loser story still and has shown absolutely NO IMPROVEMENT. I can't believe Sirius has their head up their a$$ when it comes to this channel. As mentioned, dance hits is the most important channel in the genre. People are complaining about some recent changes at BPM, but I trust BPM with changes because something good always comes out of their changes unlike Sirius.

The Strobe is well-programmed although they could use more mixshows.


I do disagree with Liquid Todd over the fact that every dance channel at XM sounds the same, except Chill. To me, XM 80 sounds like House, XM 81 sounds like dance hits, and XM 82 sounds like trance. At the moment, XM still creams Sirius in the dance department. If Sirius is smart they'll bring back Remix and drastically improve The Beat. If they did these two things then I would probably be saying that Sirius creams XM.
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Old 01-08-2007, 12:23 PM   #13
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Welcome back Liquid Todd. It was cool when you posted "insider" info on how the dance channels work, back in the day. I for one am glad your self-imposed exile is over.

Peace brother.
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Old 01-09-2007, 08:47 AM   #14
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I'm sorry, but what is Liquid Todd smoking? Saying that Sirius is kicking XM's a*s in the dance category is just plain laughable. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge Sirius fan and have always preferred them overall, but when it comes to the dance/electronica category, XM is obviously better than Sirius at this point.
The dance format that I listen to the most is the mainstream "dance hits" format, and "the Beat" is a SORRY, horribly programmed mess. "BPM" on XM is heads and shoulders above "the Beat" in every single way. "The Beat" used to be a much better channel until about a year ago. Whoever made the stupid decision to add 80s mainstream, new wave stuff and other oddball gold to the channel should be fired immediately. Granted, in the past, 'the Beat" might have been a bit repititious, but at least the music made sense. Now, the music on "the Beat" makes no sense whatsoever. It sounds like a big jumbled mess of random tracks thrown on shuffle that don't flow well and often don't even belong. Also, the "imaging" (sweepers, station ID's, drops etc.) are awful. The channel used to have a great "sound" and "presentation" and sounded professional, but now the sweepers and elements sound cheap and like something someone made in their basement. Whoever was making the programming decisions a couple of years ago at "the Beat" was doing a much better job. Whoever is calling the shots now, doesn't have a clue and is totally out of touch.

On the other hand, "BPM" at XM has steadily improved over the past 2 or 3 years. Skyy and Alan Freed are great programmers that are playing "true", current dance hits (including imports!!!!! Ever hear of that idea Sirius?) Also, they seem to choose the best mixes of tracks and they constantly add new stuff. Also, Skyy and Alan provide real info on the artists, dj's, and dance happenings, while the dj's on Sirius just talk about pop culture junk and read liner cards about other channels. So for dance hits, I, along with 99% of the other dance fans here would choose "BPM" over "the Beat".

Also, as far as the other channels go, "Area 33" is pretty good (although I would still prefer two seperate channels dedicated to house and trance). I would gladly cut either "Boombox" or "Chill" for dedicated house and trance channels. (and many dance fans here would say the same). I know Liquid Todd is a huge supporter of breakbeats/drum and bass, and "Boombox", but whether he wants to admit or not, there are many more fans of trance and house, and many more who would be interested in dedicated channels for those formats than a breaks/d'nb/electro rock channel like "Boombox". (At least among the pure dance fans. I think "Boombox" has more appeal to the rock/hip hop crowd that just occasionally flips by the dance category. I wish Sirius would pay more attention to the pure dance fans and less to the casual listeners.) I know I would gladly give up the niche channels like "Boombox" and "Chill" for dedicated House and Trance Channels, and a return of a "Remix" type channel.

Anyway, sorry for rambling, but I found Liquid Todd's comments about kicking XM's a*s in dance quite a funny piece of laughable propaganda. Todd, just looking at two channels; Can you honestly say you think "the Beat" sounds better than "BPM"? If so, I give up.
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"You work hard on the dance channels" have you listened to the beat lately? you call that a dance channel??? nice going



You don't need to get XM or download sets from the net because Area 33 isn't going anywhere. I don't do much work for that channel but I'm in the office almost every day and I haven't heard anything about it. We just signed Paul Van Dyk[/B] and Paul Oakenfold[/B] to do shows on Area 33 for crissakes!

Don't get all worked up about rumors. We've worked real hard on the dance channels at Sirius. They aren't going anywhere except up. And yeah, XM has trance and house - but that's about all they have. Most of the time you can flip between their dance channels and hear the same house beat pumping on all of 'em (besides XM Chill).

We are kicking their asses - even without Remix.

So Happy New Year everybody - especially the fans. I'm going to be hanging around on SBS more listening to what everybody* has to say.

Love,
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* Except Boges. You are STILL the most dour sourpuss on SBS. Still hating Sirius (and its employees), spreading gloom and doom and bitching about absolutely everything (over...and...over...). But this time I'm blown away because I have to agree with you. With Sirius "anything is possible!"

Lighten up, Francis.


"You work hard on the dance channels" have you listened to the beat lately? you call that a dance channel??? nice going the idea isn't simply to beat the competition, but to give the listeners what they want and make it enjoybable...that's the difference between a suit and a programmer, but unfortunately at sirius they are one in the sam...
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