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Old 12-26-2006, 01:30 PM   #1
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I am a longtime Sirius subscriber and dance music fan. I'm glad I found this site, as it gives me an opportunity to ask you guys if you agree with me when I ask- what the F**K is going on with Dance Music on Sirius- specifically "The Beat". As of the past year, the Beat has become increasingly unlistenable- a bizarre, incoherant mishmash that is part Area 33, part Strobe, part 1st Wave, part Boombox- but rarely a station that offers a balanced, palatable blend of dance hits from the US and abroad.

A year ago, things were different. Then somewhere along the line, Sirius executives, many of whom probably know nothing about dance music, decided that the format needed to be adjusted. Rather than leaving the job to the people that they pay to program the station, they decided that a song by the Chemical Brothers was more "dance music" than a song by Reina or Kim Sozzi. After being tinkered with for months (remember when The Beat was playing 80's pop songs by Madonna, Samantha Fox, etc..), what we are left with now is some sort of messy, unfocused combination of all the changes.

You tell me what makes sense about these songs, played back to back..

Chemical Brothers ft. Q-Tip- Galvanize
Lucas Prata- And She Said
Blackout All-Stars- I Like It Like That
Kelly Clarkson- Since U Been Gone
Moby- Body Rock
Information Society- Running
Dandy- Because You Lied
Mel C- I Turn To You

Is it just me? Or do none of these songs make sense together. Well, this is what the Beat has become.

It's sad in a day and age where dance music is disappearing from terrestrial radio, dance music fans can't even turn to satellite- a medium where channels are meant to be niched to their respective audiences. People who love 80's hair metal can listen to Hair Nation. People who like Broadway showtunes can listen to Broadway's Best. So why is it that Sirius programming executives feel the need to tamper with a commercial dance station- when stations already exist (Area 33, Boombox, 1st Wave, Strobe) that play "electronica" type tracks from Stereo MCs, Moby, Paul Van Dyk. It just makes no sense. I know a lot of people complain about the pop remixes (Kelly Clarkson, et al), however these songs are an integral part of American dance music and should be included within the realm of what The Beat should sound like. But when Goldfrapp is getting added on the Beat over Amber, you know something isn't right.

PS- I would LOVE to hear a Sirius programming executive explain to me where Dandy "Because You Lied" fits on The Beat. Please explain that one...

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Old 12-26-2006, 01:34 PM   #2
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Chemical Brothers ft. Q-Tip- Galvanize
Lucas Prata- And She Said
Blackout All-Stars- I Like It Like That
Kelly Clarkson- Since U Been Gone
Moby- Body Rock
Information Society- Running
Dandy- Because You Lied
Mel C- I Turn To You
Yikes. I'd have to say you have a point.
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Old 12-26-2006, 01:41 PM   #3
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You are not alone on your thoughts. Dozens of people here agree and made a topic about it in the last few months. It's an ongoing discussion, and hopefully one that will change soon. I'm hoping for a xmas/new years miracle to change the beat.
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You are not alone on your thoughts. Dozens of people here agree and made a topic about it in the last few months. It's an ongoing discussion, and hopefully one that will change soon. I'm hoping for a xmas/new years miracle to change the beat.
Don't hold your breath. Most of everyone that used to post here in the Dance forums have been waiting almost a year for something to happen.
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I am a longtime Sirius subscriber and dance music fan. I'm glad I found this site, as it gives me an opportunity to ask you guys if you agree with me when I ask- what the F**K is going on with Dance Music on Sirius- specifically "The Beat". As of the past year, the Beat has become increasingly unlistenable- a bizarre, incoherant mishmash that is part Area 33, part Strobe, part 1st Wave, part Boombox- but rarely a station that offers a balanced, palatable blend of dance hits from the US and abroad.

A year ago, things were different. Then somewhere along the line, Sirius executives, many of whom probably know nothing about dance music, decided that the format needed to be adjusted. Rather than leaving the job to the people that they pay to program the station, they decided that a song by the Chemical Brothers was more "dance music" than a song by Reina or Kim Sozzi. After being tinkered with for months (remember when The Beat was playing 80's pop songs by Madonna, Samantha Fox, etc..), what we are left with now is some sort of messy, unfocused combination of all the changes.

You tell me what makes sense about these songs, played back to back..

Chemical Brothers ft. Q-Tip- Galvanize
Lucas Prata- And She Said
Blackout All-Stars- I Like It Like That
Kelly Clarkson- Since U Been Gone
Moby- Body Rock
Information Society- Running
Dandy- Because You Lied
Mel C- I Turn To You

Is it just me? Or do none of these songs make sense together. Well, this is what the Beat has become.

It's sad in a day and age where dance music is disappearing from terrestrial radio, dance music fans can't even turn to satellite- a medium where channels are meant to be niched to their respective audiences. People who love 80's hair metal can listen to Hair Nation. People who like Broadway showtunes can listen to Broadway's Best. So why is it that Sirius programming executives feel the need to tamper with a commercial dance station- when stations already exist (Area 33, Boombox, 1st Wave, Strobe) that play "electronica" type tracks from Stereo MCs, Moby, Paul Van Dyk. It just makes no sense. I know a lot of people complain about the pop remixes (Kelly Clarkson, et al), however these songs are an integral part of American dance music and should be included within the realm of what The Beat should sound like. But when Goldfrapp is getting added on the Beat over Amber, you know something isn't right.

PS- I would LOVE to hear a Sirius programming executive explain to me where Dandy "Because You Lied" fits on The Beat. Please explain that one...

Thoughts?

I agree with everything. The playlist makes NO SENSE. Granted songs by Goldfrapp "Fly Away" or Paul Oakenfold work they are ignoring the "hits" from other artists that make the station. Just focusing on the familiar ones. Well Hello.. They only got familiar cause You have to play them or people won't know. For a channel who seems to like Kim Sozzi since they are airing her live on New Years eve, they sure like to ignore what she's done latley...

Its odd how the programming people at Sirius thinks THIS is playing it safe for a dance hits station. The only thing safe about it, is relying on the hits of yesterday sandwiched in with a few cutting edge songs of right now so it doesn't get too progressive. But what about the mainstream hits of right now???
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Old 12-26-2006, 03:39 PM   #6
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Welcome to the SBS Dance board. Since I've been posting here (a little over a year), the underlying theme of discussion has been the programming on The Beat (or lack there of), and to be honest, I think this channel is in the worst state it's ever been in.

I made a similar comment to yours in a previous thread. The Beat has absolutely no organization/direction whatsoever. Very little currents are being played, and the ones they do play really don't have hit potential. Don't get me wrong, I love the more aggressive house they've been spinning, but how can they completely ignore the more hit-based stuff ?? And don't even get me started on the new wave and electronica.... (well, I guess it's too late)

The Beat just seems to do everything wrong. I think they try to take our advice and criticism into consideration, but the delivery is ALL wrong. We ask for new dance music, even songs with a harder, more aggressive edge. They deliver on this, but ignore the obvious dance hits that every other Dance CHR is playing. We ask for some throwbacks each hour to break up some of the current music and give the station depth, personality. They deliver on this request, but rather than older songs supplementing the playlist, they seem to be the foundation for the station. In addition, the programmers are quite possibly picking the worst gold songs for the scope of a dance hits channel. I expect to hear backspins from artists like Corona, Real McCoy, LaBouche, Gina G, No Mercy, Intonation feat. Joee, Outhere Brothers, Reel 2 Real, etc. These are the artists I remember hearing on the old Q102 in Philly and KTU in New York (circa 97). While I am aware that the Beat plays these artists, I'm more inclined to hear Stereo MC's, New Order, a Rob Thomas remix, Royksopp, just about every Paul Van Dyk song ever produced, or Crystal Method. Whoever is programming this station (dance staff, execs, some bum they found in Times Square??- I know, it's a big mystery) clearly has no knowledge of mainstream dance music or what was mainstream dance music in the past.

This would be a great sample hour IMO:

Without Breaking- DaBuzz
Put Your Hands Up For Detroit- Fedde Le Grand
Rain Down Love (Walken Edit)- Freesmasons
Baby Baby- Corona
I Go Crazy- DHT
Stars Align- Kaskade
Yeah Yeah- Bodyrox
Out of Touch- Uniting Nations
Hurt (Mindset Mix)- Christina Aguilera (had to throw in a pop remix)
Let's Get Down- Hernandez vs. DJ Tyo
Doctor Pressure- Mylo vs. MSM
Proper Education- Eric Prydz vs. Pink Floyd
Is It Any Wonder (Tall Paul Remix)- Keane
I Feel For You- John Kano
Just Be- Tiesto
Lucky- Lucky Twice

mostly current dance hits, a couple aggressive, less mainstream tunes, a few recurrents, a couple of throwbacks.
Instead, The Beat is playing some random guy's "Techno" playlist on his iPod.
Channel 36 is a poor, poor excuse of a dance station.
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Old 12-26-2006, 05:31 PM   #7
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DJChrisz84, what you just described is XM's BPM. BPM isn't perfect but it's a hell of a lot closer than 36 The Cheat.
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Old 12-26-2006, 06:01 PM   #8
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DJChrisz84, what you just described is XM's BPM. BPM isn't perfect but it's a hell of a lot closer than 36 The Cheat.

I agree. I've been using my friend's username and password to listen to XM online. BPM is a great station, and while they may repeat the same songs over and over like The Beat (but certainly not as bad as The Beat), at least they're playing real dance music. I'll eventually jump ship to XM, but I'll ride out the remainder of my year subscription to see if any changes take place. I've been waiting for a year, and so far no dice. It's ashame because Area 33 is dramatically improving. I also think Sirius' programming in other genres is superior to XM (rock, 80's, Hits 1), but the reason why I subscribed and continue to subscribe to satellite radio is for a dance hits station, so that will ultimately be the deciding factor.
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Old 12-28-2006, 12:24 AM   #9
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I just joined sirius radio here, last two days I have been listening to the Beat. I am a huge dance music fan, been listening to KTU for ages until it went down hill. I also listened to radioone online for a long time before sirius. I listen to all of the international mixs,etc.

I am afraid that the posters here are right. The beat does need lots of work. The music selection is way to random and does not flow at all!

I find the nightly weekday DJ extremely annoying with his high pitched voice. He sounds like a little kid , it makes the station lose credibility.
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Old 12-28-2006, 02:19 PM   #10
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IMO, satellite radio was SUPPOSED to be a breath of fresh air from the Clear Channel Cookie Cutter programming agenda. XM still lives up to the true purpose of satellite radio, but sirius does not. Just go through all the different message boards on this site and see what fans of other genres of music have to say about sirius programming. The dance stations got hit hard with songs repeated to death and songs that really don't pass as dance music. Let's see...rock and rap on Boombox, occasional mainstream dance songs on Chill, hip-hop and a LACK of mixshows on The Beat.

With Jay Clark retiring, I HOPE the programming philosophy at Sirius will change for the better (it can't get any worse). My wishes for the dance category are for Boombox and Chill, to get a 24/7 mixshow channel BACK, a house channel would be cool, and a TRUE dance HITS station (The Beat SUCKS).

I remember in the early days of Sirius where lots of MUSIC channel changes and updates would be made. I hope that type of philosophy returns to Sirius - one that takes listener's input into consideration. Everyone on SBS agrees that the current channel line-up is STALE!
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With Jay Clark retiring, I HOPE the programming philosophy at Sirius will change for the better (it can't get any worse). My wishes for the dance category are for Boombox and Chill, to get a 24/7 mixshow channel BACK
A 24/7 MIXSHOW station is exactly what we need! Sirius needs let the DJ's do the actual music selection and mixing....

Not many people know it here probably, but their used to be Metromixradio which was an online radio station streaming constant mix shows.
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I just joined sirius radio here, last two days I have been listening to the Beat. I am a huge dance music fan, been listening to KTU for ages until it went down hill. I also listened to radioone online for a long time before sirius. I listen to all of the international mixs,etc.

I am afraid that the posters here are right. The beat does need lots of work. The music selection is way to random and does not flow at all!

I find the nightly weekday DJ extremely annoying with his high pitched voice. He sounds like a little kid , it makes the station lose credibility.

His name is Mr. Seth and he's been brought up before on this board. Just another thing wrong with the Beat.
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A 24/7 MIXSHOW station is exactly what we need! Sirius needs let the DJ's do the actual music selection and mixing....

welcome to 2004... that's when they killed ... what was that channel name again?

edit: REMIX... rip...

on XM, welcome to 2000'ish when they had CLUB 82 and the initial reason of me getting into satellite radio.
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They ran out of good ideas, and so now they just play OLD MUSIC almost all the time. There is still so much new good dance music out there, and they refuse to play it.

I don't mind hearing Gala - Freed From Desire once or twice a month, but at one point a few months ago they were playing it multiple times a day. People, retired music is just that.. RETIRED. If you want to have a retro 90s and 2000s dance channel, then by all means make one, but stop bogging the beat down with all these songs...

And start playing more new stuff... Take a cue from XM and then expand on it.
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