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Old 12-28-2004, 05:34 AM   #1
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I am not a regular listener to the hip hop stations. Yesterday however I was just scrolling through the whole list of stations and scanned through the hip-hop ones. Strangely, perhaps only by coincidence on at least three I heard the word "nigger" (forgive me for not calling it the "n-word") over and over. I also heard the word "fuck" over and over; but I am going to leave that part alone.

I know that this issues has been visited in the past--maybe not here but definitely in other venues. Unless I am wrong--which I have been in the past, "nigger" was created as a profoundly derogatory term; I have always thought it a very unpleasant, almost scary, sounding word. If so why is it so represented on these stations? Where in the artistic spectrum does this truly fit in and is it not damaging to racial pride and relationships?

I am not trying to be inflammatory here but I am expressing an honest concern and hope to learn why I heard this so prominently.

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Old 12-28-2004, 06:52 AM   #2
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I agree with you Uncle. I dislike both words and find they add no meaning to any conversation.
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Old 12-28-2004, 09:49 AM   #3
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Simple answer, most rapper use the word nigga not nigger. The new mentality is using nigga is a term of endearment (sp). Now, I don't understand that one because we get equally upset if either is used by a non black person . Most of these youth, if they were to ask their grandparents if the word nigga or nigger were still painful, they would be shocked at their answers. I'm not saying that I don't use the word because I do and I've cut back on the use alot over the past year and I'm trying to get out of my vocabulary completely. It has become the in word for awhile that has just been overused. Most of the kids don't understand the pain behind the word, sadly. :\
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Old 12-28-2004, 10:20 AM   #4
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The answer seems to be that when Black people use it it doesn't have the same meaning or offense as when a non-black person uses it. I asked a black person about this one time and he got upset but now I understand.
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Old 12-28-2004, 10:47 AM   #5
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Being black, but using the N word is not aceptable to me either. I know in my culture,especially the younger generation (I am 40),it is "coo" to use it as a term of endearment with other people of color, but when a white person says it to us , its an offense. Thus, I do not have it in my vocabulary either. It just doesnt sit well and its historical past useage is well known and the meaning of. It is one of those words that I wish would just fade away, I simply use "bruh", "brutha" and "sista" in the Ebonics context, rather than the N word in any form.
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Old 12-29-2004, 06:09 AM   #6
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Hi all--

I appreciate the answers. For the record, I am not African American (probably no surprise). As I see it racial disharmony is one of the most potentially dangerous poisons that can affect America. Of course, one cannot disregard American history which obviously is full of racial inequity-and this is an evolving history not a completed one.

I once visited Monticello in Virginia--the home of Thomas Jefferson. Two things that struck me were (1) Thomas Jefferson was probably a manic depressive, (2) a lot of the credit given to Thomas Jefferson for invention and such probably belongs to his slaves. I would like to see ongoing studies (I know the process has been started but one doesn't hear a lot about it) of the contributions that Black people have made to America for which credit was wrongly misassigned. I am actually bothered to see what seems to be the wholesale acceptance of the goodness of Mr. Jefferson at UVa--which is truly an outstanding university (I visited therewhile in VA--once just to see the campus and once to get some iv fluids I got this terrible case of gastroenteritis there, I digress).

I truly believe that pride and celebration in one's culture and history allows us to confidently appreciate others cultures and histories and will only add to unifying and strengthening our country. I frankly don't see using the word "nigger" or "nigga" for that matter as helping with unity or pride given the true very ugly root of that word; I hope that we see an evolution in a more healthy direction. We clearly have improved racial harmony in the US over 200 years, but we are far from having finished this process--and my fear is that this is a process that is stagnating.

Again, I am thankful for the thoughtful answers. We AMericans all have a way to go but call me an optimist.

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You might find the lyrics from this NWA song to be of interest:

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/nwa-ni...fe-lyrics.html
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Old 12-31-2004, 05:38 PM   #8
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Its a 50-50 thing, part of me hates the "N" word, and yes, I am black. Yet, part of me understands why the black community uses it, in defiance of past abuse and racial injutstices. It seems those things that were used to put us down, we try to use to pull ourselves back up, Im just not sure the "N" word should be such a tool. I try not to use it..and teach my children the same.
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if you happened to be listening to shade 45 late afternoon and heard nigger repeatedly and were offended, that's hilarious and taken completely out of context. Most of their afternoon conversation was where racial slurs came from and how stupid they all are. If anyone should be offended, it should be the people that called in with extremely stupid answers that got made fun of.

My thoughts have and always will be that if it doesn't offend the primary listeners then let it be. If you don't like it and it offends you personally, turn the channel.

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Old 01-10-2005, 05:31 AM   #10
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My thoughts have and always will be that if it doesn't offend the primary listeners then let it be. If you don't like it and it offends you personally, turn the channel.

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This part of your response I always view as the ultimate cop out. Offensive ideas have consequences that may grow beyond the listeners. There should always be a level of decorum and respectfulness beyond "if it bothers you don't listen". You don't have to read this thread either; neverthelss, here you are and we discuss the concern. I just don't see your last point as a real argument.

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Old 01-13-2005, 09:52 PM   #11
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You have to understand that is what YOU are paying for...You can change to another station if you dont like it...It is the times that we are living in...This isnt "hey guy whats up" any more....I agree that THEY shouldnt use the racial tones so much as well but I like the music when they play it...When they dont I change the channel...Simple
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Words don't hurt people, actions do. Are you not calling people "nigger" but still avoiding encounters with African American People? That's more racist than using the word or term "nigga". Criminals, psycho’s, murderer's come in all colors (Look at G.W. Bush - He is all 3). One of OUR problem's today is society's refusal to accept different cultures. Which encompasses every race, and that's beautiful. Eliminate the class system, which is today's racism.

Address that problem and one day we can call each other any "word" we deem necessary.

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Old 01-17-2005, 02:57 PM   #13
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Words don't hurt people, actions do. Are you not calling people "nigger" but still avoiding encounters with African American People? That's more racist than using the word or term "nigga".
I don't agree, see ... if you get in somebody's face and use the 'n' word, that is like blatant disrespect. But if you simply don't have anything to do with somebody that's not the same skin color as you (for cultural reasons or whatever) but are polite to them when you come in contact with them, even if you really don't like them, you are in essence saying "No, I really don't care to be around you, but I recognize that we all have to live in this world together and I respect you enough to at least treat you with some common courtesy." But I'm not going to go out of my way to be super nice to you when you and/or your friends roll through my neighborhood at 2:00 in the morning with the 21" subwoofer in your trunk cranked up to max. Let's be honest, not everything is beautiful.
I'll be honest - there are some races of people on this planet that I simply don't like. Maybe I am stereotyping, but so what? The way I see it, we're all like cats living in the same space - we can choose to be at war and alwasy be at each other's throats, or we can choose to live together in peace, but that don't mean we have to 'love one another' just because.
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In regards to the original post. Freedom of speech is something we all cherish and take advantage of at the sametime. Inappropriate words are used every where, but you have a choice to ignore and remove yourself from uncomfortable situations.

Now in response to the previous post. (Channel Surfer)

You have the type of attitude that I am refering to in my original post. It is about attitude and perspective. Does one race of people have friends that listen to 21" Subwoofers at 2AM (I've never even seen a 21" subwoofer). That argument is absurd. I beg you to evaulate your attitude and perception of people, because we are all from the same cloth. Have you ever traced your family tree? I doubt you are purely one race. So to say that you hate certain people because of thier race could be translated into you actually hate yourself, your parents, and thier parents.

It actually sounds like you've been exposed to America's class system for far too long. We Are Not The Same
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So to say that you hate certain people because of thier race could be translated into you actually hate yourself, your parents, and thier parents.
Sorry, but I don't think my parents' parents even knew what a subwoofer is. And anyway, I didn't say I hate people because of their race, I said I dislike people of certain races because of what they do, using the subwoofer thing as only one example. You can say that I'm overgeneralizing here, but let's be realistic - if I'm woken up at 2:00am by the sound of thumping bass from somebody's car, for $100,000, could you tell me the color of the guy's skil who was driving that car? Yeah, 9 times out of 10, your first guess would be correct. And I don't recall ever being woken up at 2:00am by some Chinese dude in his car blasting imported music from Kong Kong, so it's not like every race is guilty of this kind of behavior. And I'm sure that my own race does things that are just as annoying and if you choose not to like me for that reason, so be it. There's no reason to feel bad about being prejudice towards your own kind.
I look at it like this - as long as you're at peace with me, I'll be at peace with you too. As much as you might like to think differently, people of different races come from different cultures and may have different beliefs, and it's ok to either like or not like somebody for those reasons. Now, I didn't say it's ok to go burning crosses on people's front lawns either, get it? If you are a certain race, I may have certain preconceived notions about you and may avoid you by default, but I'm going to still treat you with common courtesy if we happen to cross paths.
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