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Old 10-01-2005, 04:49 AM   #31
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...I am aghast that there is no place on Sirius for the classic jazz music of the 1920s - 1940s.
  • Louis Armstrong
  • Duke Ellington
  • Count Basie
  • Benny Goodman
  • Glenn Miller
  • Ella Fitzgerald
  • Artie Shaw
  • Bille Holiday
  • Tommy Dorsey
  • Gene Krupa
  • Harry James
  • Chick Webb
  • Fletcher Henderson
  • Earl Hines
  • Art Tatum
  • Teddy Wilson
  • Jelly Roll Morton . . .
These are among the greatest musicians of all time, and there should be a channel for their music.
My sentiments exactly! The only original American art form, and the ones that helped create it and their music is GONE.
Yup that’s what I’m talkin about too. All of those artists. As well as more Satchmo than what SwingStreet played. It will be interesting to hear what XM offers on their channel 4.
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Old 10-01-2005, 06:47 AM   #32
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...I am aghast that there is no place on Sirius for the classic jazz music of the 1920s - 1940s.
  • Louis Armstrong
  • Duke Ellington
  • Count Basie
  • Benny Goodman
  • Glenn Miller
  • Ella Fitzgerald
  • Artie Shaw
  • Bille Holiday
  • Tommy Dorsey
  • Gene Krupa
  • Harry James
  • Chick Webb
  • Fletcher Henderson
  • Earl Hines
  • Art Tatum
  • Teddy Wilson
  • Jelly Roll Morton . . .
These are among the greatest musicians of all time, and there should be a channel for their music.
My sentiments exactly! The only original American art form, and the ones that helped create it and their music is GONE.
Yup that’s what I’m talkin about too. All of those artists. As well as more Satchmo than what SwingStreet played. It will be interesting to hear what XM offers on their channel 4.
Just since YESTERDAY, the new and improved Standard Time has played EIGHT songs by Louis Armstrong:

A Kiss To Build A Dream On
Blueberry Hill
Cabaret
I've Got The World On A String
Jeepers Creepers
Let's Fall In Love
Mack The Knife
What A Wonderful World
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Old 10-01-2005, 07:25 AM   #33
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Just since YESTERDAY, the new and improved Standard Time has played:

Duke Ellington--Satin Doll

Count Basie--April in Paris; Corner Pocket; Shiny Stockings

Benny Goodman--Don't Be That Way; Jersey Bounce; Stompin' at the Savoy

Glenn Miller--A String of Pearls; American Patrol; Chattanooga Choo-Choo; In the Mood; Pennsylvania 6-5000; Tuxedo Junction

Ella Fitzgerald--All Of Me; Anything Goes; Blues In The Night; Cheek To Cheek; Goody Goody; Heat Wave; Isn't It Romantic?; Isn't This A Lovely Day?; Mack The Knife; Over The Rainbow; Tea For Two; The Way You Look Tonight; Too Marvelous For Words

Artie Shaw--Begin the Beguine; Stardust

Tommy Dorsey--Marie; Well Git It; Yes Indeed!

Harry James--Ciribiribin; I Don't Want To Walk Without You; I Had The Craziest Dream; I'm Beginning To See The Light; It's Been A Long, Long Time; Music Makers; Two O'clock Jump; You Made Me Love You
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Old 10-01-2005, 01:01 PM   #34
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Have you heard that they are programming a 3 hour block of swing every Saturday evening at 8:00 Eastern?

It's a quicker concession than was made for New Age.

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Old 10-01-2005, 07:29 PM   #35
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[Yup that’s what I’m talkin about too. All of those artists. As well as more Satchmo than what SwingStreet played. It will be interesting to hear what XM offers on their channel 4.
Just since YESTERDAY, the new and improved Standard Time has played EIGHT songs by Louis Armstrong:

A Kiss To Build A Dream On
Blueberry Hill
Cabaret
I've Got The World On A String
Jeepers Creepers
Let's Fall In Love
Mack The Knife
What A Wonderful World
Many of those are “standard-style” songs though. I meant that I want to hear the swing and/or early-jazz Armstrong, not the stuff from his “Wonderful World” album (other than the retro “Hellzapopin” and “Cabaret” songs, which I do love). Swing is the topic of this discussion, so I assumed people knew what kind of music I was talking about.


Every so often I give this “new” StandardTime the opportunity to impress me with swing or early jazz. Most of the time I hear standards. Some of those songs are OK (everyone has favorite performers), but for the most part it’s an entirely different experience (one that I don’t like). I don’t dig crooners.

SwingStreet had a really great station-ID. “Less Bing [insert standard Buh Buh Buh Buh cartoon-crooner clip], more swing [insert clip of Satchmo's horn playing]!” Of course they actually DID play Bing Crosby songs, but not the slow, lovey-dovey, standards/crooning ones.

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Have you heard that they are programming a 3 hour block of swing every Saturday evening at 8:00 Eastern?
Every day would be better. I'll listen if I remember it's on (it's now a decision about which show gets on my Program-alert). Thanks for the heads-up. I'll listen to it tonight.
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Old 10-02-2005, 06:25 AM   #36
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...I am aghast that there is no place on Sirius for the classic jazz music of the 1920s - 1940s.
  • Louis Armstrong
  • Duke Ellington
  • Count Basie
  • Benny Goodman
  • Glenn Miller
  • Ella Fitzgerald
  • Artie Shaw
  • Bille Holiday
  • Tommy Dorsey
  • Gene Krupa
  • Harry James
  • Chick Webb
  • Fletcher Henderson
  • Earl Hines
  • Art Tatum
  • Teddy Wilson
  • Jelly Roll Morton . . .
These are among the greatest musicians of all time, and there should be a channel for their music.
Yup that’s what I’m talkin about too. All of those artists. As well as more Satchmo than what SwingStreet played. It will be interesting to hear what XM offers on their channel 4.
You said you were talking about "All of those artists". The music of some of those artists isn't classified as "swing". So either you weren't just talking about swing, or you didn't know what you were talking about.

And like myself, apparently Mr. Douglas didn't think this thread was strictly about "swing" music, since he mentioned several artists that didn't play "swing".
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Old 10-02-2005, 11:36 PM   #37
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...I am aghast that there is no place on Sirius for the classic jazz music of the 1920s - 1940s.
  • Louis Armstrong
  • Duke Ellington
  • Count Basie
  • Benny Goodman
  • Glenn Miller
  • Ella Fitzgerald
  • Artie Shaw
  • Bille Holiday
  • Tommy Dorsey
  • Gene Krupa
  • Harry James
  • Chick Webb
  • Fletcher Henderson
  • Earl Hines
  • Art Tatum
  • Teddy Wilson
  • Jelly Roll Morton . . .
These are among the greatest musicians of all time, and there should be a channel for their music.
Yup that’s what I’m talkin about too. All of those artists. As well as more Satchmo than what SwingStreet played. It will be interesting to hear what XM offers on their channel 4.
You said you were talking about "All of those artists". The music of some of those artists isn't classified as "swing". So either you weren't just talking about swing, or you didn't know what you were talking about.

And like myself, apparently Mr. Douglas didn't think this thread was strictly about "swing" music, since he mentioned several artists that didn't play "swing".
Really now. Which of those artists never played music that is considered “Swing”?

Look at the time frame Keith is talking about. 1920s-1940s. That’s the swing era. Most all of what I hear on StandardTime is obviously (to me at least) newer than that.
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Old 10-03-2005, 05:53 AM   #38
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Look at the time frame Keith is talking about. 1920s-1940s. That’s the swing era. Most all of what I hear on StandardTime is obviously (to me at least) newer than that.
You obviously weren't listening on September 30th and October 1st. Standard Time played multiple songs by most of the artists on Mr. Douglas's list, from the swing era that you claim Standard Time ignores:

Duke Ellington--Satin Doll

Count Basie--April in Paris; Corner Pocket; Shiny Stockings

Benny Goodman--Don't Be That Way; Jersey Bounce; Stompin' at the Savoy

Glenn Miller--A String of Pearls; American Patrol; Chattanooga Choo-Choo; In the Mood; Pennsylvania 6-5000; Tuxedo Junction

Ella Fitzgerald--All Of Me; Anything Goes; Blues In The Night; Cheek To Cheek; Goody Goody; Heat Wave; Isn't It Romantic?; Isn't This A Lovely Day?; Mack The Knife; Over The Rainbow; Tea For Two; The Way You Look Tonight; Too Marvelous For Words

Artie Shaw--Begin the Beguine; Stardust

Tommy Dorsey--Marie; Well Git It; Yes Indeed!

Harry James--Ciribiribin; I Don't Want To Walk Without You; I Had The Craziest Dream; I'm Beginning To See The Light; It's Been A Long, Long Time; Music Makers; Two O'clock Jump; You Made Me Love You
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Old 10-03-2005, 06:50 AM   #39
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You obviously weren't listening on September 30th and October 1st. Standard Time played multiple songs by most of the artists on Mr. Douglas's list, from the swing era that you claim Standard Time ignores:
-snip-
Hey now, I never said that StandardTime ignores this content, just that it’s too sparse for someone (me) who doesn’t like enduring most standards (I've got a thing for Natalie Cole, but that's about the extent of my prefs of standards). For example, the past four songs that played just now have been.
* Michael Feinstein "How About You" (or something like that).
* Ray Charles "Georgia On My Mind"
* Barbara Streistand (some horrid song that I didn't catch the name of).
* Lou Rawls "Summertime".

And now, for the quintuple and final draw:
Perry Como "Catch a Falling Star"

That's just too blech for me!


OK, the next song IS a swing song by Glenn Miller. To get there though I had to endure audible torture.

But wait, what's next?
Julie London "You and the Night".
Eeeesh!
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Old 10-11-2005, 10:18 AM   #40
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. . . .
Just since YESTERDAY, the new and improved Standard Time has played EIGHT songs by Louis Armstrong:

A Kiss To Build A Dream On
Blueberry Hill
Cabaret
I've Got The World On A String
Jeepers Creepers
Let's Fall In Love
Mack The Knife
What A Wonderful World
But almost NONE of those are anything like the JAZZ music he recorded in the 1920s and 1930s. Those are mostly "novelty" songs that Armstrong recorded when he was an international celebrity. They're fine, but they are strictly Standard Time fare. (Hint: If Armsong is only heard singing and doesn't play his trumpet . . . then it probably isn't one of his jazz recordings.)

What Sirius is missing with the loss of Swing Street is the classic jazz of the 1920s through 1940s.

In the case of Louis Armstrong, it would be songs like:

Cornet Chop Suey
Heebie Jeebies
Potato Head Blues
West End Blues
Memories Of You
Stardust
When You're Smiling
Dinah
Tiger Rag
Lazy River
Basin Street Blues
Big Butter And Egg Man
Ain't Misbehavin'
When It's Sleepy Time Down South
I've Got The World On A String
Between The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea

(selection from http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg.../-/B000002AA0/ )

The point is, Louis Armstrong's records from the 1950s and 1960s are one thing and the groundbreaking jazz he recorded when he was a young man is quite another thing. -- Just look at the picture of Armstong on the CD l linked to: Armstrong as a young man; not the international celebrity of the "Holly Dolly" period.
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Old 10-11-2005, 10:55 AM   #41
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You said you were talking about "All of those artists". The music of some of those artists isn't classified as "swing". So either you weren't just talking about swing, or you didn't know what you were talking about.

And like myself, apparently Mr. Douglas didn't think this thread was strictly about "swing" music, since he mentioned several artists that didn't play "swing".
I'm glad to let musicologists debate whether it was strictly "Swing", "Big Band", "Classic Jazz", "Hot Jazz", "Sweet Jazz" or even "Trad Jazz" or "Dixieland" . . . whatever . . . the music on the old Swing Street was a great mix of all kinds of jazz music of the 1920s through the 1940s.

Sure, some of it can be heard on the current Standard Time. But it's diluted. It's not the same. I like the mix on Standard Time, but I really miss having a dedicated channel for the early decades of jazz like we had on Swing Street. I feel Sirius has really let me down recently.

I don't see how they can say satellite radio is about diversity of programming when they have umpteen rock and pop channels and only a few jazz and classical channels.

If jazz and classical were handled the way rock and pop are programmed we would have the something like all of following channels:
  • Traditional and dixieland jazz channel (Preservation Hall, early Sidney Bechet, Bix Beiderbecke, Louis Armstrong, etc. plus roots of jazz like ragtime, etc.)
  • Classic jazz (jazz of the late 1920s through 1940s, like the old Swing Street, but less hits-based)
  • Big Bands (some overlap with the classic jazz, but a concentration of the big band and big-band-with-singer type of records, especially the very famous hit records)
  • Pure Jazz (post WWII jazz, mainstream mostly acoustic jazz: Miles, Bird, Diz, etc.)
  • Avant-Garde (experimental, modern, contemporary jazz)
  • Smooth jazz (electric, pop, current jazz: Kenny G., David Sanborn, etc.)
  • Vocal jazz (all singers, from the early day to current stars)
  • Solo jazz (acoustic piano, guitar, sax soloists recorded solo)
and
  • Sirius Pops (classical music faves, shorter pieces, well-known orchastral music)
  • Concert Hall (mainstream classical music, longer pieces)
  • Classical voices (opera, leider, art song)
  • Chamber music (the old Vista, small group classical music)
  • B.B. (Before Bach: European music from 1700 A.D. and earlier, "original instruments", HIP (Historically Informed Performance), etc.)
  • Classical solo (soloists soloing: Chopin's piano works, Bach's Suite for solo cello, etc.)
  • Classical Avant-Garde (experimental, modern orchestral music)
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While I would love to see that kind of diversity, it's never going to happen. For better or for worse, these genres and niches have far too few people who listen to them to justify that many channels. Rock, Pop, Country, Hip-Hop, and other contemporary styles are what draw the biggest audience, and will continue to take up the lion's share of the music channels.
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While I would love to see that kind of diversity, it's never going to happen. . . .
Sure, I realize that. But I think it should be obvious that there should be at least ONE channel dedicated to jazz music's first few decades. The jazz of the 1920s to 1940s shouldn't be heard only when it is folded in with music of another format.
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What Sirius is missing with the loss of Swing Street is the classic jazz of the 1920s through 1940s.
Not true. You posted a list of performers that you incorrectly claimed were no longer available on Sirius.

I posted the following list of songs, which features most of the performers you listed, from the era you mentioned. ALL of these songs were played in just a two day period, AFTER Swing Street had been assimilated into Standards.

If you're going to criticize, please make sure your criticisms are valid. All of the songs below were played on September 30th and/or Oct. 1:

Duke Ellington--Satin Doll

Count Basie--April in Paris; Corner Pocket; Shiny Stockings

Benny Goodman--Don't Be That Way; Jersey Bounce; Stompin' at the Savoy

Glenn Miller--A String of Pearls; American Patrol; Chattanooga Choo-Choo; In the Mood; Pennsylvania 6-5000; Tuxedo Junction

Ella Fitzgerald--All Of Me; Anything Goes; Blues In The Night; Cheek To Cheek; Goody Goody; Heat Wave; Isn't It Romantic?; Isn't This A Lovely Day?; Mack The Knife; Over The Rainbow; Tea For Two; The Way You Look Tonight; Too Marvelous For Words

Artie Shaw--Begin the Beguine; Stardust

Tommy Dorsey--Marie; Well Git It; Yes Indeed!

Harry James--Ciribiribin; I Don't Want To Walk Without You; I Had The Craziest Dream; I'm Beginning To See The Light; It's Been A Long, Long Time; Music Makers; Two O'clock Jump; You Made Me Love You
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(Hint: If Armsong is only heard singing and doesn't play his trumpet . . . then it probably isn't one of his jazz recordings.)
Armstrong played the cornet, not the trumpet.

Not to mention that "Jeepers Creepers" and "I've Got the World on a String" were both recorded in the 1930's, and were both on the list of Armstrong songs I provided.
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