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Old 11-25-2005, 02:32 PM   #1
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Default Somebody compare Pure Jazz vs. Real Jazz

Has anybody listened to both Pure Jazz (Siruis) and Real Jazz (XM) lately? I had Sirius about two years ago and really liked the jazz programming, but switched to XM for other reasons. At the time the jazz programming on XM was pretty lame - too much vibes and guitar, not nearly enough horns. But over the last several months the programming on XM has really improved - lots of James Carter, Mike Clark, Eric Alexander, etc.

Anyone care to compare the two channels for me? I'm hoping that Pure Jazz is more then the classic artists that are listed on the sirius.com website. Do they have much in the way of contemporary jazz (preferably some high energy trumpet and sax)?
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Old 11-25-2005, 04:05 PM   #2
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I enjoy listening to both channels- but Pure Jazz on Sirius is the one Sirius channel I find to be better than the XM equivalent, but based on your post XM might be better for you. With the end of their swing music channel, Pure Jazz plays more "classics" and less contemporary jazz. I like the 50-60's bluenote stuff so this is right up my alley.

I often thought that XM should rename the Real Jazz channel the Marselius Jazz channel since they played so much by that over-rated family. XM does have a broader play list overall. Their Beyond Jazz channel has improved lately.

Where Pure Jazz shines is the DJ's. All of them are fine and know the music-Les Davis is particularly interesting. I also like the Blue Note Hour with the Pres of BlueNote Records and Gary Burton's artist choice every Sunday 10-4 pm is also top notch.

Hope this helps.
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I can not tell much of a difference between Pure Jazz and Real Jazz. I've tuned into both and I find it hard to remember which I'm listening to. Bot stations do a very good job with this format.

However, I find that XM's Beyond Jazz blows away Sirius' Planet Jazz.
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Thanks for posting your opinions. I'm making the switch back to Sirius and am hoping that the Jazz programming is equivalent.
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OK, now that I've put some miles on Pure Jazz I can answer my own question. While Pure Jazz is nice, they should just change the name to Coltrane Jazz.

It's really not bad, but I wish they'd play more contemporary artists (i.e. those listed in my original post). I haven't even heard Nicholas Payton yet!
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Real Jazz is definitely more contemporary than Pure Jazz. Which is why I prefer Pure Jazz, I want to hear the legends.
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Real Jazz is definitely more contemporary than Pure Jazz. Which is why I prefer Pure Jazz, I want to hear the legends.
Makes sense. I wish Pure Jazz were a little more balanced, but it's not like I'm hurting because of all the classics. It's hard to go wrong with a Blue Note influenced playlist.
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OK, now that I've put some miles on Pure Jazz I can answer my own question. While Pure Jazz is nice, they should just change the name to Coltrane Jazz.

It's really not bad, but I wish they'd play more contemporary artists (i.e. those listed in my original post). I haven't even heard Nicholas Payton yet!
I just used the search engine located at Give Me Satellite Radio . According to the search, Nicholas Payton was played a grand total of 10 times during the month of December; Joshua Redman was played a grand total of 5 times; Eric Reed - 12 times; Wallace Roney - 0 times; Roy Hargrove - 8 times; and Donald Harrison - 5 times.

Compare that with John Coltrane played 78 times during the month of December; Miles Davis - 115 times; Wes Montgomery - 47 times; Oscar Peterson - 79 times; Modern Jazz Quartet - 50 times; and Sonny Rollins - 78 times.

This is not meant as a complaint, just an observation after reading the anecdotal evidence above. Apparently, classic artists are played significantly more often than modern jazz artists.
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Very similar. XM tends to play a bit more discordant stuff, Sirius' offering tends to be lighter.

Still more similar then disparate. Sirius has better DJs..

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Very similar. XM tends to play a bit more discordant stuff, Sirius' offering tends to be lighter.

Still more similar then disparate. Sirius has better DJs..

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Sirius Pure Jazz does have awesome DJs who know their stuff. I especially love listening to Les Davis.
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Well what is nice to see is that there are people out there listening and understanding the diveristy of Jazz. Not everyone will be pleased by any one playlist. What I find so nice about Pure Jazz is that the SJ's. Not only are they very informative they also listen to feedback. I tend to like the horn in most of my music and Roy Hargrove is a young player I like. I sent in a few different request about a year ago and now I hear him being played on Pure Jazz.

What I have come to appreciate the most is the range of artist that the SJ's play and the input they give about them. I have come to appreciate so many more artist through Sirius. Now if only the Phoenix area could find a way to bring some Jazz to the valley.

In my quest to fill my music needs I find my self with Napster to Go and downloading what I hear off Pure Jazz. Some Playlist would be nice to see.
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OK, now that I've put some miles on Pure Jazz I can answer my own question. While Pure Jazz is nice, they should just change the name to Coltrane Jazz.

It's really not bad, but I wish they'd play more contemporary artists (i.e. those listed in my original post). I haven't even heard Nicholas Payton yet!
I just used the search engine located at Give Me Satellite Radio . According to the search, Nicholas Payton was played a grand total of 10 times during the month of December; Joshua Redman was played a grand total of 5 times; Eric Reed - 12 times; Wallace Roney - 0 times; Roy Hargrove - 8 times; and Donald Harrison - 5 times.

Compare that with John Coltrane played 78 times during the month of December; Miles Davis - 115 times; Wes Montgomery - 47 times; Oscar Peterson - 79 times; Modern Jazz Quartet - 50 times; and Sonny Rollins - 78 times.

This is not meant as a complaint, just an observation after reading the anecdotal evidence above. Apparently, classic artists are played significantly more often than modern jazz artists.
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The problem is that, at least to my seasoned ears, is that Nicholas Payton does not rank in the first line of jazz trumpeters. He is not, nor is Wallace Roney, as an example, in the same league as Armstrong, Eldridge, Gillespie, Navarro, Brown, Morgan, Hubbard, Cherry, Shaw etc. These players had something to say that was new and unique. I agree with the philosophy of focusing on the masters as opposed to the flavor of the month. I like Payton and roney. I have seen both play live often and i own their records. The sad truth is there is to much good music and to little time for me to get around to listen to their records. All in all i would rather hear Lee Morgan.
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