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Old 08-26-2003, 05:12 PM   #61
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In all seriousness, there should be a Classic Rock channel for people in their cars who have no patience and no desire to expand their minds (The Rock) and a channel for evolved types who want to hear something different (The Vault). Is that so difficult to grasp?

Why anyone would think that variety is a bad thing and that it has no place on Sirius rock channels is beyond me. Must be some kind of insecurity.
I have no problem grasping this, but must admit I find the vault hard to listen to. I turn it quicker than The Rock or The Trend just because there is so much that is unfamiliar that it becomes annoying to me after awhile. I personally like the programming approach where you hook people with some hits, and then throw in some surprises to keep them guessing and learning some new material.
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Manco, that's exactly how I feel, and I couldn't have put it better myself. Rickets, for what you are looking for, XM is the one to go with. eBay your Sirius gear and let that pay for some months of XM for ya. Honestly, I'm not being a jerk, but Sirius isn't going to become as eclectic as XM, and you seem to like eclectic-minded programming, so your best bet would to be to get (or stick with) XM.
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Manco, that's exactly how I feel, and I couldn't have put it better myself. Rickets, for what you are looking for, XM is the one to go with. eBay your Sirius gear and let that pay for some months of XM for ya. Honestly, I'm not being a jerk, but Sirius isn't going to become as eclectic as XM, and you seem to like eclectic-minded programming, so your best bet would to be to get (or stick with) XM.
Exactly!!!! But then what would there be to complain about all the time.
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Anybody who thinks The Vault plays obscure tunes needs to get out more, and consider killing whoever sheltered them so much during their formative years.

I have XM already. I'm not talking about being like them at all.

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Manco, that's exactly how I feel, and I couldn't have put it better myself. Rickets, for what you are looking for, XM is the one to go with. eBay your Sirius gear and let that pay for some months of XM for ya. Honestly, I'm not being a jerk, but Sirius isn't going to become as eclectic as XM, and you seem to like eclectic-minded programming, so your best bet would to be to get (or stick with) XM.
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Yes, IMHO, you are. I, too, am one of the people who finds The Vault EXTREMELY annoying after about, oh, say, six minutes. And telling me I need to get out more is YOUR opinion. If ALL Sirius streams were programmed like the Vault, I get the feeling you would be much happier, and SIRIUS would lose MOST of its subscribers. Indeed, XM is programmed in a fashion that you, Rickets, do find far more acceptable.

Wishing that SIRIUS were more likewise not only deprives the rest of us of a substantial and real ALTERNATIVE, it is like wishing the dog would become a cat. Deal with it. Accept the dog on its terms, or the terms that the majority of paying subscribers want, or move onto something else. As I think I said many moons ago, it's just radio. It is NOT organized religion.

And Sirius is going to program to the largest group of paying subscribers it can attain. Not to just a small niche, or even worse, one listener. That is business.
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Some folks don't get the fact that you have to satisify the majority of subscribers and not a select few. There is room for much improvement on SIRIUS, but not in the obscure, eclectic direction.
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That's ludicrous. I hope you two are just little kids; that would partially explain your ignorance. The Vault is very, very mainstream. Though the material be unfamiliar to you two, it is quite familiar to people my age.

And WE have lots of spending cash. So, if management is smart (that's a long shot) they'll listen to us old farts.

Like I said, you Mouseketeers can have The Rock, us dinosaurs can space out in the Vault.

Don't try to wreck it for everybody because you suffer from Hyperxenophobic Ashcroftian Syndrome.
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I am probably the oldest person on this board, and if not, I don't miss it by much. I have led a very great and varied life. Unlike SOME people, I didn't have money to waste on every rock album ever made. I am not familiar with, nor do I wish to become familiar with, every rock song ever made. If I had wanted that kind of variety, I would have subscribed to something other than SIRIUS.

And I can do without your put-downs, Mr. Rickets. Your vast and eclectic rock tastes make you different, not necessarily superior.

As for your "don't wreck it for everybody" comment, the ONLY person who seems to be crying out for weird, eclectic, non-hit music on SIRIUS seems to be you. I rest my case.
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No doubt if you were looking for non mainstream and obsure, you did indeed pick the wrong service. This amazes me with SIRIUS having live feeds that you can preview prior to getting the service.
Well, as I said, I got in on the F&F deal, and to be honest, listening to the internet stream doesn't really follow my listening habits. (Not to mention the 20 minute limit) Basically, I didn't think I had much to lose for trying it out.

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While XM just has canned replays. While I do like some of the offerings over on XM, sometimes they are just too darn obscure. When you listned for 30 minutes or more and don't recognize a single solitary song, that is too obscure and there are some XM channels like this.
That is part of why I want radio service, so I can be exposed to new artists, as well as listening some familiar stuff. Sirius goes too far in the other direction, either playing what is popular now, or going retro.

As for "The Vault", it occasionally plays a song that I don't think is a deep track. (Yes's "Love Will Find A Way" comes to mind), but is more or less pretty good at playing some obscure songs from known artists. (Tho on both classic rock stations, I still hear too much CSN for my taste...) I can understand those who can't stick with it, because I can't always. It is good, tho, to switch between that and "The Rock". "The Vault" is the only place on Sirius where I can get Progressive Rock, and only on rare occasions. They need to do more shows...

Ocasionally, Sirius can surprise me (David Gilmour's "Murder" on The Vault, Blue Murder's "Valley Of The Kings" on Big Rock, Dysrythmia on "Left Of Center", any Rush they play on Big Rock (Since they cut deeper with Rush for some reason)), but often I keep hearing the same songs. Big Rock in particular, since I think I've heard everything on their playlist.

Mainly, I'm posting here to try to be constructive, because I would like Sirius to become a better service. Right now, tho, it doesn't seem to serve me.

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Can I remind everybody that while Rock may be the genre that persuades a key group to purchase either XM or Sirius, it is by no means the only genre that matters? On the other "streams", we would like a wide variety of music with less repetition. I personally LOVE hearing a song I'm not familiar with, because that song then has the capability of becoming one of my favorites. On the non-rock streams, variety IS the key! It is the reason we went with satellite radio, and not FM - so we can hear things that are not played on regular radio. So, while eclectic programming may be anathema to rock fans (not all rock fans, either), it is absolutely ESSENTIAL to those streams that are not rock, such as jazz, new age, classical, folk, world, reggae, etc. For Sirius to have eclectic programming on the other streams would be an advantage and, in my opinion, would garner new subscribers.

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Mainly, I'm posting here to try to be constructive, because I would like Sirius to become a better service. Right now, tho, it doesn't seem to serve me.
I fully respect your opinion and feelings on the subject. I guess it all boils down to us picking the service that best matches our preferences. I appreciate critisism because that is what SIRIUS need to hear to improve and make things better for all of us. I just don't like to see the same person post them over and over day in and day out.

I am just not so sure SIRIUS will ever be an obscure/eclectic type service though. But personally I think there should be both type streams myself, just my personal view, but that does not seem to be the case.

Here is the thing for me, I tried having just XM and that did not work for me, much like just having SIRIUS for you is not working. So, then I got SIRIUS and canceled XM. Now, I find I miss stuff that XM provided. So, it looks like my only alternative is to have both. Of course not everyone wants, needs or can afford both. So, then you have to just choose the one that gives you the most bang for your buck in regards to your preferences.

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I just don't like to see the same person post them over and over day in and day out.
Hopefully, that was directed at someone other than me.

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I am just not so sure SIRIUS will ever be an obscure/eclectic type service though.
Nor am I looking for it to be. Unlike Rickets, I'm not trying anymore to bend Sirius to my will, especially if XM fits the bill more for me.

What I am looking for is for them to broaden their horizons a bit. Take "Big Rock", for example. It is mainly a retro station, heavily slanted towards 80s Hair Metal. The only new music is by those artists that were in that category. I'd argue that they could mix in some US and European metal acts that have come along since then that don't fit into the format of "Hard Attack".

Also, in some cases, some stations could be less eclectic. For example, I find "Left Of Center" just about unlistenable since they don't really give me anything to hold on to. There should be a nod to more popular acts, playing perhaps some deep tracks from them, in addition to the unknowns. It is why I like Radio Paradise. It isn't totally out in left field, but it can still be musically adventurous.

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Here is the thing for me, I tried having just XM and that did not work for me, much like just having SIRIUS for you is not working. So, then I got SIRIUS and canceled XM. Now, I find I miss stuff that XM provided. So, it looks like my only alternative is to have both. Of course not everyone wants, needs or can afford both. So, then you have to just choose the one that gives you the most bang for your buck in regards to your preferences.
Well, that's what I'm going to find out. I want to see if there is something about Sirius that I can't live without. I suspect not, but I could be surprised...

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Big Rock is 80's hair metal. That's the channel description.
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This is why I like Left of Center. They play lots of stuff I've not heard before. And I'm open to it. And I trust the jocks to be nice to me.


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