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Old 08-03-2005, 09:32 PM   #1
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All, I just wanted to see your input on the censorship that is happening on Alt Nation and First Wave. I have heard songs being played on both channels that seem to be 'radio edits' of these songs which cut out swears and other words.

Come on! I thought that we all signed up for UNCENSORED MUSIC!!!!

What do you think their intentions are for doing this? Also, if any of you are as upset as myself, please email and complain about this on the sirius website.

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Old 08-04-2005, 06:54 AM   #2
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Specifically what songs are you talking about? It's rare but I've heard of this happening from time to time. Other people on the board have also said that if you send an email to the PD for that station it usually gets corrected fairly quickly.
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The radio edit tendency on both Sirius and XM is really annoying. It's one of those nits that needs to be addressed by the programmers.
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If musicians (and their record company) decide to create and sell a radio-edit version of a song, I don't see why we blame satellite radio for playing it. I'm not saying I care one way or the other; satellite radio can play either version. But, for me, a song really isn't completely ruined just because I don't hear the word "goddamn" or "fuck" and it really isn't that much better if I do hear those words. I certainly don't see it as censorship, which is generally understood to mean action by the government to prevent publication and distribution.
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Well I think what the problem is, is that Sirius sometimes has two versions of the same song on file...one unedited version, and one edited version for use on some of their "clean" stations (Hits1, The Pulse, etc). From time to time, one of these edited songs end up in the rotation for another station where they could play album version. I'm sure it's a simple mistake.
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All, I just wanted to see your input on the censorship that is happening on Alt Nation and First Wave. I have heard songs being played on both channels that seem to be 'radio edits' of these songs which cut out swears and other words.

Come on! I thought that we all signed up for UNCENSORED MUSIC!!!!

What do you think their intentions are for doing this? Also, if any of you are as upset as myself, please email and complain about this on the sirius website.

regards,
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My guess is that they accidentally played some of the radio-edited music that airs on Maxim Radio. Whatever the reason, there's no excuse for this to be hapening.
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:24 PM   #7
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I heard Harvey Danger's "Flagpole Sitta" the other day, and they dropped out "god damn you" in the line "now I'm an amputee god damn you."

Lame, lame, lame.

I used to hear the uncut version on FM, for Christ's sake!
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If musicians (and their record company) decide to create and sell a radio-edit version of a song, I don't see why we blame satellite radio for playing it. I'm not saying I care one way or the other; satellite radio can play either version. But, for me, a song really isn't completely ruined just because I don't hear the word "goddamn" or "fuck" and it really isn't that much better if I do hear those words. I certainly don't see it as censorship, which is generally understood to mean action by the government to prevent publication and distribution.
Keith, where did you get this definition of "censorship"? From Merriam-Webster: "censor: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable"

Obviously someone is thinking that this content is "objectionable" if they are spending the time to alter the content. In this case, you have to blame the satellite radio company. It's THEIR responsibility to provide and police the content, not the government.
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Well I think what the problem is, is that Sirius sometimes has two versions of the same song on file...one unedited version, and one edited version for use on some of their "clean" stations (Hits1, The Pulse, etc). From time to time, one of these edited songs end up in the rotation for another station where they could play album version. I'm sure it's a simple mistake.
This is probably the best explanation as I've heard the uncensored version of the same song and the censored version.

It's also important to remember while Sirius is uncensored they do want to keep it respectable and somewhat family friendly on the stations families may tune into.
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Maybe the same thing that happened to Hot Jamz happened to those channels too. See the hip hop boards for further info.
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I completely agree with brokenbeats.

I thought one of the selling points of sat. radio was to be free of the FCC and be like cable TV in a sense.

Examples of songs being censored? Where to start!

Green Day - American Idiot
Alanis Morrisette - You oughta know
Black Eyed Pees - Let's Get Retarded (they play Let's Get it Started)

These are just examples I've heard. No need to be ripping me for what you think is my musical taste.

I just want to know why we have to listen to edit music on a non-regulated provider.
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If musicians (and their record company) decide to create and sell a radio-edit version of a song, I don't see why we blame satellite radio for playing it. I'm not saying I care one way or the other; satellite radio can play either version. But, for me, a song really isn't completely ruined just because I don't hear the word "goddamn" or "fuck" and it really isn't that much better if I do hear those words. I certainly don't see it as censorship, which is generally understood to mean action by the government to prevent publication and distribution.
Keith, where did you get this definition of "censorship"? From Merriam-Webster: "censor: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable"

Obviously someone is thinking that this content is "objectionable" if they are spending the time to alter the content. In this case, you have to blame the satellite radio company. It's THEIR responsibility to provide and police the content, not the government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship

I think it's a little over-the-top to cry "censorship" every time Wal-Mart decides not to sell a particular CD and so on.

When it comes to "spending the time to alter the content" I don't think it's Sirius or FM stations that are doing the altering. It's record companies and musicians who make the decision to alter a song or to produce two versions of a song so that they can increase the chances of being on the air on small town FM stations and on the shelves at Wal-Mart.

If the musicians had any guts they would refuse to alter their artistic expressions. But they choose more sales instead.

Like I said, I don't really care which version Sirius plays. But I don't think we can blame Sirius for the fact that radio-edits exist.

Recording artists are producing multiple versions of their songs. Sirius is playing what the artists are producing.
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I heard Harvey Danger's "Flagpole Sitta" the other day, and they dropped out "god damn you" in the line "now I'm an amputee god damn you."

Lame, lame, lame.

I used to hear the uncut version on FM, for Christ's sake!
holy crap, I remember Harvey Danger from back in the day. Whatever happened to them anyways? One hit and now they're gone.
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