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Old 08-09-2005, 06:59 PM   #16
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If you were so sure James Dobson was wrong you would have no reason to be upset with what he says. I mean what hurt does it have for him to say such things? You dont have to listen. Maybe the reason you would be so offended by him is that you are deep down afraid he is right. Or maybe you just have a deep hate for christian morals. Yet you see nothing wrong with Stern. Please, Dobson is harmless, even to those who hate Christians. This is such hypocrisy. Because someone teaches the Bible they should be censored. But when Howard Stern comes along its ok.
Now you've swung too far in the other direction. Where does he say he "hates Christians?" Why does he "have a deep hate for Christian morals?" For all you know, he's a devout Christian who doesn't like James Dobson's style.

When does he say he's a Howard Stern fan, DAB? When does he say that Howard is entitled to say whatever he wants, but James Dobson can't?

Why not let him have his opinion about James Dobson, instead of attacking him personally?
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Old 08-09-2005, 07:49 PM   #17
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FWIW, Dobson is an extremist. A Christian exremist, but an extremist all the same. He has every right to say what he wants, but I don't want to have to pay for the pleasure to listen.

If Sirius wants to start a channel that features diverse Christian and theological viewpoints (especially debates), I would be all for the idea. Despite the huge amount of fundamentalist Christian programming on local radio (maybe 10 stations locally), there is absolutely nothing like that.
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Old 08-09-2005, 08:58 PM   #18
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To say Dobson is an "extremist" is not true. He is a fundamentalist Christian. That does not make him extreme, he simply believes the Bible. Being against gay marriage or abortion is not extreme. It is simply scriptural. Why cant we have Dobson on Sirius? We have Sean Hannity and Rusty Humphries. I am sure you would say they are "extreme right-wingers". And just until recently we had Al Fraken. He is about as extreme left as you can get. There is even a gay radio station in OutQ. But heaven forbid a James Dobson!

I dont want to hear gay radio. I dont want to hear country music for that matter (more of a Rock fan). But I still enjoy Sirius. If Sirius brought on Dobson YOU DONT HAVE TO LISTEN! But because a few of dont like the man doesnt make it wrong to bring him on.
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Dobson once said while being interviewed (Larry King I think? Could be wrong on that) something along the lines about how all Jews are going to hell and other various things that don't need repeating as I assume you get the idea. Borderline nazism we're talking about here. And although personally, I'm atheist, I come from a Jewish family and was taught Jewish beliefs when I was a kid, so, I still find his comments highly offensive and refuse to give my business to a company who is paying a prick like Dobson to spew his anti-Semetic views on the air. So if Sirius ever brought him on, yes, I would cancel as I do not want my money going to someone who is simply going to make uncalled for comments about my ancestors on the air.


Don't say that I hate the first amendment. Trust me, I'm the complete opposite. Nothing pisses me off more than when someone's free speech is taken away. Unless what they have to say is racist, anti-Semetic, homophobic, whatever. If thats all they have to say, then they're worthless scum who shouldn't be allowed to open their damn mouth. And Dobson would fall right into that category.

And Hannity and all the other right wing extremists on Sirius? I can't stand their political views, but as long as they're not saying anything offensive like Dobson, I have no problem with them being on the air.
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Dobson was saying that unless you accept Jesus you will go to hell. That includeds whites, blacks, hispanics, and yes Jews. He is just saying what they Bible teaches. Dont take offense by him saying Jews will go to hell. He loves Jews. In fact, James Dobson is one of the most outspoken defenders of Israel. He believes America must protect Israel at all costs.(Because that is what the Bible teaches.) He was merely saying that unless a person accepts Jesus, they will go to hell. Dont forget Jesus himself was a Jew. Jews and Christians have a unique connection.(Because of the Old Testament) But Jesus said "I am the way and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me." Dobson believes that and that is what he was saying. He didnt say "all jews will go to hell" he said they will go to hell IF they dont accept Christ. Like I said he is a fundamentalist Christian, not an extremist...

Also you said he was like a Nazi. Not exactly. One of the most underreported truths about Hitler was that he was an atheist who strongly supported the theory of evolution. He believed in the "survival of the fittest" and believed Jews were the most "unfit" of all society. Im not saying the church in Germany was not currupt but Hitler was an atheist who brutally murdered Jews to "perfect" society.
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Dobson once said while being interviewed (Larry King I think? Could be wrong on that) something along the lines about how all Jews are going to hell and other various things that don't need repeating as I assume you get the idea. Borderline nazism we're talking about here. And although personally, I'm atheist, I come from a Jewish family and was taught Jewish beliefs when I was a kid, so, I still find his comments highly offensive and refuse to give my business to a company who is paying a prick like Dobson to spew his anti-Semetic views on the air. So if Sirius ever brought him on, yes, I would cancel as I do not want my money going to someone who is simply going to make uncalled for comments about my ancestors on the air.


Don't say that I hate the first amendment. Trust me, I'm the complete opposite. Nothing pisses me off more than when someone's free speech is taken away. Unless what they have to say is racist, anti-Semetic, homophobic, whatever. If thats all they have to say, then they're worthless scum who shouldn't be allowed to open their damn mouth. And Dobson would fall right into that category.

And Hannity and all the other right wing extremists on Sirius? I can't stand their political views, but as long as they're not saying anything offensive like Dobson, I have no problem with them being on the air.
I thought I was the only one who couldn't stand that guy. The only vision of God is HIS vision apparently. If you don't agree with his vision, you are gonna go to hell. I had my fill of him wayyyyyy back when I used to go to church. My pastor did a radio show that aired right before he aired on the local AM. He's a tool. I eventually grew out of my religious phase (I was, like 14, and my father had just died, so it was a weird time in my life) and I now consider myself agnostic, but I respect people's wishes, and I never Christian-bash, but that guy's an idiot.
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I'm not sure where you get your information, but Hilter was most certainly not an atheist. He was raised Catholic, and it is true he was not an active Catholic when he came to power, but here is a little quote from Mein Kampf - "Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's Work."

Fundamentalism is by nature extreme. That's why it's called FUNDAMENTALISM. Fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalist Muslisms, fundamentalist Jews. All extreme.

Al Franken is not as extreme left as you can get. A much more extreme Air America host is Mike Malloy, but he is not often in the rightwing talking points, so you probably missed him. I didn't particularly enjoy his show.

If you really want to hear James Dobson, I am sure there is a radio station in your area that syndicates him - there is one in nearly every city in America. Given unlimited bandwidth, I really don't care if Sirius carries him or not. However, I pay money to Sirius so I can listen to programming I can't get on terrestrial radio. This includes liberal radio, gay radio, and international radio. I would also be unhappy if Sirius broadcasted a widely-syndicated format like JACK FM.
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Old 08-10-2005, 12:33 AM   #23
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Enough of the religious debate, we do have a political forum if you want to take up the discussion in there. This thread is about Christian Rock, and should get back on track to that.
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I agree Manco. I dont listen to Dobson that often, I was just thrown in shock that someone would leave Sirius if he came. I just said in passing that he has a huge following and could bring many people to the Sirius family, as Howard Stern will.
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Enough of the religious debate, we do have a political forum if you want to take up the discussion in there. This thread is about Christian Rock, and should get back on track to that.
Interesting that you'd recommend carrying on a religious debate in the political forum...that's insightful...
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I think Sirius is already wasting too much bandwith on christian mythology. There are 5 channels of this nonsense already, be happy with them.

If Sirius ever gave me a choice of what channels to cut this would be the first place I would look.

Now I have no hate of christians or their right to be christian, I just don't want it to have an influence in my life, and not just christians, I don't want any god mythology or silly religious rules being forced on people. I currently don't listen to the channels and really don't care that Sirius has them, but we certainly don't need more and if they need to trim waste this would be the best place to start.
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I don't want any god mythology or silly religious rules being forced on people.
I've been alive for 46 years and no one has EVER forced religion on me. I go to church because I want too and I listen to Christian music because I want to. You clearly have the freedom to not go to church and to not listen to Christain music. Also there are no rules ever forced upon anyone you live that life because you want too as well. When you are a child parents can force you to go to church and live by their rules, but that is about your parents at some point we all have the free will to live that life or not.

Clearly if Sirius feels there is a market to add more Christian channels I am all for it and you don't have to listen. This is all about getting subscribers and Sirius would be totally foolish to overlook the Christain sector of our society because some don't want to hear it. This is why there is a channel selector. There are those that don't like political talk, but if they add another channel of that, I suspect you wouldn't have a problem with it. Don't tell me its because they don't try to force they values and principles on you as that isn't true, they clearly do. No one in America is forced to take on a religion it is done by free choice. This is America where we still have that right and no individual is going to take it away.
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If you read my post you would see that I said i don't listen and don't care that they have the channels here. I'm not cancelling because of it, but if there is a limited amount of bandwith, 5 channels focused on christianity is more then enough, especially since no other religion has one. Listen all you want, preach the word all you want, but don't get pissed at people like me when we say we don't want to hear it and don't think it belongs and don't think they need to add more of this propaganda to our service.

If having the christian word spread is so important, and you feel that 5 channels isn't enough then maybe you and the other fundamentalist should start a new christian sattelite radio service, so they can stop wasting good bandwith on silly myths on the service I and other non christian, non religious people pay for.
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Enough of the religious debate, we do have a political forum if you want to take up the discussion in there. This thread is about Christian Rock, and should get back on track to that.
Interesting that you'd recommend carrying on a religious debate in the political forum...that's insightful...
Nothing to read into it other than politics and religion are debates that belong in a forum that is an "opt-in" forum for this website since niether topic are it's primary mission and as everyone knows those type of discussions can get ugly and rarely see eye to eye. Currently the political forum is the only one that we have as an opt in so that's why I suggested it be taken there.
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