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Old 08-16-2005, 06:23 PM   #136
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Personally, I'll be patient, but only for a short while. I don't mind a few stations being edited, but when Hot Jamz becomes not so Hot ****, and alt nation becomes FM alt nation permanently, I'll just cancel if they don't make some sort of effort to ID to everyone that 'music_on censorship_on' is the new motto...
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No offense Siso but you nor anyone else has any solid proof that it will "pan out" I don't know maybe you do have inside info, crap for all I know you had lunch with Mel just today I don't know this, but for anyone to sit here and say it will all work out they are listening to us and not the money deal with sprint is bull crap. And to say they are going to add channels that are uncensored to replace these is also stupid, why would you censor channels that already have a big following only to replace them with new ones? Wouldn't it be easier to add new censored channels for sprint, you would think so. I also checked out the blog and wasn't impressed with the info provided there it is more hearsay. Siso I am not trying to jump down your throat I am just trying to make a point that we all need to look at what we know to be fact rather then internet rumors is all. It is nice to throw around ideas about it sure and I don't even have one, I just feel they are making a huge mistake by even attempting to censor there most popular channels, and I hope that someone there is listening to the customer and they stay awake at night wondering if this dumb ass choice they made for the company is going to hurt them or not, and I hope they see the light at the end of the tunnel before it is too late..

Sorry for my rant, however I feel a little better.. sorry everyone.
No, I don't have 100% proof that everything will work out into some people's favor, no matter what they do not everyone will be happy. They probably could make certain channels to Sprint, I'm sure they have many options laid out on the table, and what I said they may add new UNCENSORED channels that are the same genre, keeping the censored. It's anybodys guess really. My post was meant to be optimistic as I thought this thread needs some as most are pessemisitc. Plus, I don't want anyone to give up and leave on Sirius.

I'm not happy about this either, but it's always nice to have an optimistic outlook.

I wish I had lunch with Mel today btw.
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Old 08-16-2005, 07:18 PM   #138
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As long as people just talk about it and take no action (like cancelling) then it's just that: talk. They still are getting your money.
that's the problem - people already have plunked down a considerable amount for the hardware. and if they were as dumb as me and got a lifetime sub, what am i supposed to cancel ?

i learned my lesson, though - never again will i pay for equipment for a product that i pay monthly dues for. many of the sat tvs give out free equipment in exchange for a couple years of service.
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Old 08-16-2005, 07:47 PM   #139
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i learned my lesson, though - never again will i pay for equipment for a product that i pay monthly dues for. many of the sat tvs give out free equipment in exchange for a couple years of service.
It's not really free.

If you read the fine print in the terms & conditions, there's a monthly rental fee (five dollars in the case of Dish Network) built into the price of the plan.

You also have to return the equipment within fifteen days if you cancel service.
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Old 08-16-2005, 11:18 PM   #140
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well i would expect to have to return the equipment, since i did not pay for it. - that seems fair.

a friend of mine did get his dish stuff free - i am pretty sure there is no $5/month surcharge. dish is always offering deals of one sort or the other. although i would probably just go with cable if i got something - cable here is supposed to be very good.
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Old 08-16-2005, 11:30 PM   #141
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Well I defiantly will not be canceling my sub as I am also a Lifer and its already all paid so I might as well hang on for the bumpy ride and hope it don’t fly off the tracks.
I am very disappointed in censoring what few uncensored channels we have left. The big reason I jumped on sat radio was for variety as being north of the US boarder you only get FM in the cities and cities can bee 120 to 240 miles away (200 to 400 Kilometers) and only 2 to 5 FM stations in the cities. The second reason was a good selection of uncensored music as I am sick of purchasing 1 or 2 CD’s every month to only have 3 good songs on each. Downloading free music online is worst than a full time job so Sat Radio looked very intriguing. Third reason I went with Sirius and not XM is better signal reception way up north closer to Alaska.

I think there is no reason to censor the bulk of the cannels, what happened to the parents that actually parent there kids apposed to letting the TV/Computer/Radio baby sit them, send them outside with a hockey stick and ball if your kids are to soft for a puck..

My big question here is why not have ratings on each song and have the radio fileter/censor them out (just like sat TV) set a ratting on each and every song sent in the coding along with the name and artist and have the tuner temporarily lock out that song on that channel. As everyone that has a Sat TV can set the parental lock to R and Higher that way the Dish locks out the program if it is above that rating. Than when the new song starts to play the radio opens up the channel again.
This would work perfectly and easily on the Sat radios as they already have the ability to lock out channels so just take it to the next level.

I am sure that the firmware of tuners could be upgraded through the sat stream.

What do the rest of you think?? About song locking
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pretty good idea - although i am assuming that if the listener was locked out, there would be nothing on his radio while the song was playing ?

i would have loved to do that to the djs, so i could shut them up, and just listen to the music on MUSIC STATIONS.
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well i would expect to have to return the equipment, since i did not pay for it. - that seems fair. a friend of mine did get his dish stuff free - i am pretty sure there is no $5/month surcharge. dish is always offering deals of one sort or the other. although i would probably just go with cable if i got something - cable here is supposed to be very good.
"Equipment Rental Fee: A $5.00 equipment rental fee for the first receiver activated is included in the promotional base programming package price. An additional equipment rental fee of $5.00 per month will be charged to your account for each receiver activated beyond the first"

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Old 08-17-2005, 01:24 AM   #144
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SIRIUS should not compromise the uncensored music experience just to please Sprint. Plain and simple.

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I am sure that the firmware of tuners could be upgraded through the sat stream.
Sirius does not have the technical ability to send firmware updates to individual tuners via their sat stream. They can upgrade the codec in which music is encoded and sent to the tuners, but the tuners themselves cannot be upgraded. I am not sure I'd support a lock out as its been described.

Dish Network and Direct TV both charge $5.00 for each additonal receiver that is receiving the service. They probably aren't making any money on these recievers, but you are certainly going to pay them at lest $60 bucks a year and that is probably around break even for them, so I'd have to say YES, you are paying for the equipment and they aren't losing any money on it, rather you realize it or not.

Jeff is right Sirius shouldn't compromise, but we all know business is business as the story goes. I am hopeful that the end justifies the means, but I certainly have my doubts. I am still not all worked up over the issue as some are, but I don't like it.
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I think the answer lies in the fact that SIRIUS doesn't want to censor these channels, but they are having an engineering nightmare when it comes to providing separate feeds for the satellite service versus other partners.

They need to find a solution BEFORE compromising the service they sold to the current subscribers. The rollout of the Sprint service can wait as far as I'm concerned. Music on cellphones is too bleeding edge to bring in enough listeners in my book anyway.

In the end, I think the true spirit of uncensored music and the voice of satellite radio subscribers will win.

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SIRIUS should not compromise the uncensored music experience just to please Sprint. Plain and simple.
Sirius has used the concept of uncensored music as a selling point from virtually the beginning. So they need to honor their commitment and continue to provide uncensored music on all channels.

If they had been playing censored music from the beginning, and hadn't used the concept of uncensored music as an advertising tool, I don't think many people would be upset.

But throwing customers a spitball at this point in the game doesn't cut the mustard.

Since I don't listen to any rap [originally correctly referred to as crap, but the c was dropped for obvious PR purposes], and not a lot of alternative, this won't affect me much.

So I'm certainly not going to cancel my service over it. Canceling over something like this is sort of like a kid picking up his toys and running home when he gets mad.

Those who strongly disagree with the censored music need to make their feelings known. Write and call Sirius as soon as possible.
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Amen!

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I think the answer lies in the fact that SIRIUS doesn't want to censor these channels, but they are having an engineering nightmare when it comes to providing separate feeds for the satellite service versus other partners.

They need to find a solution BEFORE compromising the service they sold to the current subscribers. The rollout of the Sprint service can wait as far as I'm concerned. Music on cellphones is too bleeding edge to bring in enough listeners in my book anyway.

In the end, I think the true spirit of uncensored music and the voice of satellite radio subscribers will win.

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I agree 100% with this also.
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Old 08-17-2005, 10:42 AM   #149
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I seriusly got angry when I read the title. I hate edited music. I know whats missing, and I find the "Creative" edits sounding retarded. I understand hits one and pulse and some others edited, but to Edit Faction will make me and my 4 subscriptions leave as well as most people I know. I will buy the I-pod with the radio controller for my radio and go to unedited downloaded music!! It's not the fact that I have to hear a cuss word, it's the fact that I can't stand for the music to sound any other way then what it was intended. I don't know why, but it pisses me off to no end. Anytime I am on say Hits 1 and they play a song I like, but it's edited, I turn the channel. Thats just me.

I am listening to Faction now though and they played Trick daddy unedited!! I wonder if DJ's like the ones on Shade 45 saying the F word all the time has brought this on.
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Canceling over something like this is sort of like a kid picking up his toys and running home when he gets mad.

Interesting attitude. I take the approach that when a service I'm paying for stops providing acceptable service, I stop paying them.
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