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Old 08-17-2005, 01:38 PM   #151
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Canceling over something like this is sort of like a kid picking up his toys and running home when he gets mad.

Interesting attitude. I take the approach that when a service I'm paying for stops providing acceptable service, I stop paying them.
Depends completely on one's personal definition of "acceptable" service.

Not being a mickey mouse kind of guy, I don't consider intermittent editing on only four channels to be unacceptable, especially considering that there are 62 other unedited ones.

As I stated previously in this thread, anybody who is unhappy with this needs to contact Sirius management and customer service directly.

Griping about it here on Backstage is essentially just preaching to the choir. If Sirius chooses to continue editing, then those who consider it unacceptable are free to take a hike.
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Old 08-17-2005, 01:53 PM   #152
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I didn't believe it myself until I was just listening to "Only" by NIN on Alt Nation. Everyone, PLEASE, write a letter to the address provided. Jay Clark needs to see that we are NOT ok with censorship. Why not just buy CDs instead of paying for satellite radio? I know I didn't get satellite radio to hear bleeps and cuts. Make sure when you write your letter, you add:

Sirius Satellite Radio
Attn: Jay Clark,
and put Floor 37 after the address.

I've already put my letter in the mail, please, please, please do the same. Post on this thread when your letter is also in the mail.

Let's get back our Sirius!!! Thanks!!!

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We all need to write letters to:

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1221 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10020

Don't e-mail - they're too easy to delete.

Don't call - customer service reps have no power.

Write an old fashioned paper letter. I really think that the letters that have been sent helped with the repetition problem - maybe this can be fixed too.
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Not being a mickey mouse kind of guy, I don't consider intermittent editing on only four channels to be unacceptable, especially considering that there are 62 other unedited ones.
I consider editing 4 channels to be unacceptable when 2 of those 4 channels are channels that I listen to very, very often. Yes, there are 62 unedited channels. Whoop-de-doo. I'd say at least 50 of them don't appeal to my musical tastes.
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I can say Jay Clark does read these things, as he has read my email about this even if only replying "OK" (perhaps he was busy). Make sure you put you're an SBS Member though because he knows that you may post if you got a response or not. Letters are better of course.
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Canceling over something like this is sort of like a kid picking up his toys and running home when he gets mad.

Interesting attitude. I take the approach that when a service I'm paying for stops providing acceptable service, I stop paying them.
Depends completely on one's personal definition of "acceptable" service.

Not being a mickey mouse kind of guy, I don't consider intermittent editing on only four channels to be unacceptable, especially considering that there are 62 other unedited ones.

As I stated previously in this thread, anybody who is unhappy with this needs to contact Sirius management and customer service directly.

Griping about it here on Backstage is essentially just preaching to the choir. If Sirius chooses to continue editing, then those who consider it unacceptable are free to take a hike.

Whats the point of boards like this, except to express your feelings with others. Obviously you don't need to be on any board if you don't see the point in it.

I do plan to take a more active role and send a snail mail to the address, so I as to not "Just be preaching to the crowd". But I spend maybe 90% of my sirius time on Faction. If they cut what I like on it, screw em. I don't plan to pay for a service when I am not getting the service I enjoy. To some this is petty, to me this is a principle.

What if they start playing commercials just like FM, would you keep paying for the service? I sure would hope not. Well, if they start editing like FM, I don't plan to pay for it.

Again I understand some Edited stations and appriciate them when I am riding my neice or nephew around. But don't mess with the current setup. There are enough edited stations.
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Old 08-17-2005, 03:19 PM   #157
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Whats the point of boards like this, except to express your feelings with others. Obviously you don't need to be on any board if you don't see the point in it.

I do plan to take a more active role and send a snail mail to the address, so I as to not "Just be preaching to the crowd". But I spend maybe 90% of my sirius time on Faction. If they cut what I like on it, screw em. I don't plan to pay for a service when I am not getting the service I enjoy. To some this is petty, to me this is a principle.

What if they start playing commercials just like FM, would you keep paying for the service? I sure would hope not. Well, if they start editing like FM, I don't plan to pay for it.

Again I understand some Edited stations and appriciate them when I am riding my neice or nephew around. But don't mess with the current setup. There are enough edited stations.
You're preaching to the choir right now.

I never suggested that you should pay for a service that you're not enjoying.

What didn't you get about the following sentence from my previous post?--"If Sirius chooses to continue editing, then those who consider it unacceptable are free to take a hike."

If you're dissatisfied, do like the James Gang and "Walk Away". Don't let the door smack you on the way out.

Quite frankly, you're not making much sense. I stated in my previous post that I didn't have a problem with them partially editing just four channels out of sixty six.

You obviously took offense, but then you turned right around and stated "Again I understand some Edited stations and appriciate them when I am riding my neice or nephew around."

So you're being inconsistent.
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Whats the point of boards like this, except to express your feelings with others. Obviously you don't need to be on any board if you don't see the point in it.

I do plan to take a more active role and send a snail mail to the address, so I as to not "Just be preaching to the crowd". But I spend maybe 90% of my sirius time on Faction. If they cut what I like on it, screw em. I don't plan to pay for a service when I am not getting the service I enjoy. To some this is petty, to me this is a principle.

What if they start playing commercials just like FM, would you keep paying for the service? I sure would hope not. Well, if they start editing like FM, I don't plan to pay for it.

Again I understand some Edited stations and appriciate them when I am riding my neice or nephew around. But don't mess with the current setup. There are enough edited stations.
You're preaching to the choir right now.

I never suggested that you should pay for a service that you're not enjoying.

What didn't you get about the following sentence from my previous post?--"If Sirius chooses to continue editing, then those who consider it unacceptable are free to take a hike."

If you're dissatisfied, do like the James Gang and "Walk Away". Don't let the door smack you on the way out.

Quite frankly, you're not making much sense. I stated in my previous post that I didn't have a problem with them partially editing just four channels out of sixty six.

You obviously took offense, but then you turned right around and stated "Again I understand some Edited stations and appriciate them when I am riding my neice or nephew around."

So you're being inconsistent.
I am not taking offense, I find it stupid when people are like "why fuss about it here", well, that’s what "here" is here for!! So we can vent and fuss about it. This site is to speak with others on a common service we all use. Whether it be good or bad. So I was saying, that you saying we shouldn't be doing that is stupid. That’s what we are all here for.

Second, You say there are 60 something other stations that are not edited, most of which either don't play the type of music that has anything to edit, or doesn't play anything I like. So what is the point of calling them un-edited if they would never have anything to play that would be edited. I like Faction, and I expect, since it plays music that would tend to have cussing in it, for it to stay unedited.

I don't get what is so hard for you to understand about that. Yes, I understand some stations to be edited, I think they should just leave it the hell alone. Have some of both!! But right now they are taking away all but what, Octane, that plays music I like unedited!! Everything else is going away, and it sucks because I love Sirius so much.

Just because you don't care if I stay or go or what changes they make to the service, doesn't mean I don't have the right to express my dissatisfaction on a board meant to have expressions made!! So what if this is preaching to the choir? You obviously need to learn what a BB is here for!!
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Canceling over something like this is sort of like a kid picking up his toys and running home when he gets mad.

Interesting attitude. I take the approach that when a service I'm paying for stops providing acceptable service, I stop paying them.
Agreed. I owe Sirius nothing; they're not my friend, they're a utility. If they fail to provide service I think is worth $12.95, it's not being childish to either keep my money or give to another provider.
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Old 08-17-2005, 04:45 PM   #160
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I am not taking offense, I find it stupid when people are like "why fuss about it here", well, that’s what "here" is here for!! So we can vent and fuss about it. This site is to speak with others on a common service we all use. Whether it be good or bad. So I was saying, that you saying we shouldn't be doing that is stupid. That’s what we are all here for.

Second, You say there are 60 something other stations that are not edited, most of which either don't play the type of music that has anything to edit, or doesn't play anything I like. So what is the point of calling them un-edited if they would never have anything to play that would be edited. I like Faction, and I expect, since it plays music that would tend to have cussing in it, for it to stay unedited.

I don't get what is so hard for you to understand about that. Yes, I understand some stations to be edited, I think they should just leave it the hell alone. Have some of both!! But right now they are taking away all but what, Octane, that plays music I like unedited!! Everything else is going away, and it sucks because I love Sirius so much.

Just because you don't care if I stay or go or what changes they make to the service, doesn't mean I don't have the right to express my dissatisfaction on a board meant to have expressions made!! So what if this is preaching to the choir? You obviously need to learn what a BB is here for!!
I completely understand everything you're saying. You're still not making much sense, and you're still being inconsistent.

I never said that you don't have the right to express your dissatisfaction. In fact I made it crystal clear in my previous post that you do have that right. You also have the right to cancel if you're that dissatisfied. So quit trying to cast me as some boogey man who wants to deprive you of your rights.

I know what a BB is here for. And just like you have the right to gripe about inconsequential things, I have the right to criticize your griping, just as long as I stay within the established forum rules.

Just like you, I'm entitled to my opinion. And I won't let four partially edited channels stop me from enjoying Sirius.

I wish you could be consistent. You rant about censorship on Faction, but then you turn right around and make statements like:

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So one moment you're rabidly denouncing any censorship, then you turn right around and say you "appricate" and "understand" it.

If you tried to actually comprehend people's posts, you would realize that I have previously stated that I don't agree with Sirius's censorship of ANY adult-oriented channels, music or otherwise. However, I'm not going to cancel over partial censorship of four stations.

And you need to quit putting words in people's mouths. I never stated that you "shouldn't" or "couldn't" rant about Sirius's censorship here. Rant on, friend. I could care less. I simply expressed my opinion that ranting here is preaching to the choir and won't accomplish squat.

That's my opinion and I'll stand by it. You're the one who seems to have a problem with me expressing my opinions, rather than vice versa.

Try to settle down and think things through. The key word is "think".
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Not being a mickey mouse kind of guy, I don't consider intermittent editing on only four channels to be unacceptable, especially considering that there are 62 other unedited ones.
I consider editing 4 channels to be unacceptable when 2 of those 4 channels are channels that I listen to very, very often. Yes, there are 62 unedited channels. Whoop-de-doo. I'd say at least 50 of them don't appeal to my musical tastes.


I see we have another dead-horse beater.

Read my lips--please feel free to complain all you want to Sirius management. And if their response doesn't suit you, feel free to cancel the service.

I honestly don't care what you do.
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Canceling over something like this is sort of like a kid picking up his toys and running home when he gets mad.

Interesting attitude. I take the approach that when a service I'm paying for stops providing acceptable service, I stop paying them.
Agreed. I owe Sirius nothing; they're not my friend, they're a utility. If they fail to provide service I think is worth $12.95, it's not being childish to either keep my money or give to another provider.


The dead-horse beaters are out in droves today!

I never claimed or suggested that anybody owed them anything, or that they were anybody's friend.

As I've already told several others, if you're not satisfied with the service, then don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Having engaged in a lot of political action over the years, I understand that walking away from a problem doesn't get results. It's virtually always best to stay and fight the problem from within.

But you have the right to do whatever you wish.
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No, I don't have 100% proof that everything will work out into some people's favor, no matter what they do not everyone will be happy. They probably could make certain channels to Sprint, I'm sure they have many options laid out on the table, and what I said they may add new UNCENSORED channels that are the same genre, keeping the censored. It's anybodys guess really. My post was meant to be optimistic as I thought this thread needs some as most are pessemisitc. Plus, I don't want anyone to give up and leave on Sirius.

I'm not happy about this either, but it's always nice to have an optimistic outlook.
Amen, brother.

Your common sense and optimism are refreshing and welcome.
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First, I want to say "Thank You" to Jessica F. who responded to my letter. I could tell it was personally written to me because she answered some specific questions I had. That, to me is worth a lot. I have no intention of leaving Sirius over this, just don't agree with what they are doing. For all to enjoy, here is Jessica's response...

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We're here to help! We appreciate the time you've taken to contact us
regarding our music programming. At SIRIUS, our philosophy is
censorship_OFF. Listeners may enjoy 100% commercial-free uncensored
music programming on over 65 music channels on SIRIUS, as the artist
originally intended. One exception to this is SIRIUS Hits 1 //01, where
we will play songs that are edited for time and/or content. These songs
are not edited by SIRIUS, but played in the radio release version
provided by the artist or their label representatives.

We believe in giving every listener the chance to share and express
their musical views. If you would like to listen to uncensored hits
programming, we suggest you listen to Hip-Hop Nation //40, Shade 45 //
45, and Octane // 20.

Due to our partnership with Sprint, some of our music channels will be
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- Faction // 28

- Alt Nation // 21

- First Wave // 22

- Hot Jamz // 50

We are committed to providing you with the best in customer care. If
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1-888-539-SIRIUS (7474)

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I am not taking offense, I find it stupid when people are like "why fuss about it here", well, that’s what "here" is here for!! So we can vent and fuss about it. This site is to speak with others on a common service we all use. Whether it be good or bad. So I was saying, that you saying we shouldn't be doing that is stupid. That’s what we are all here for.

Second, You say there are 60 something other stations that are not edited, most of which either don't play the type of music that has anything to edit, or doesn't play anything I like. So what is the point of calling them un-edited if they would never have anything to play that would be edited. I like Faction, and I expect, since it plays music that would tend to have cussing in it, for it to stay unedited.

I don't get what is so hard for you to understand about that. Yes, I understand some stations to be edited, I think they should just leave it the hell alone. Have some of both!! But right now they are taking away all but what, Octane, that plays music I like unedited!! Everything else is going away, and it sucks because I love Sirius so much.

Just because you don't care if I stay or go or what changes they make to the service, doesn't mean I don't have the right to express my dissatisfaction on a board meant to have expressions made!! So what if this is preaching to the choir? You obviously need to learn what a BB is here for!!
I completely understand everything you're saying. You're still not making much sense, and you're still being inconsistent.

I never said that you don't have the right to express your dissatisfaction. In fact I made it crystal clear in my previous post that you do have that right. You also have the right to cancel if you're that dissatisfied. So quit trying to cast me as some boogey man who wants to deprive you of your rights.

I know what a BB is here for. And just like you have the right to gripe about inconsequential things, I have the right to criticize your griping, just as long as I stay within the established forum rules.

Just like you, I'm entitled to my opinion. And I won't let four partially edited channels stop me from enjoying Sirius.

I wish you could be consistent. You rant about censorship on Faction, but then you turn right around and make statements like:

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Yes, I understand some stations to be edited, I think they should just leave it the hell alone. Have some of both!!
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Again I understand some Edited stations and appriciate them when I am riding my neice or nephew around.
So one moment you're rabidly denouncing any censorship, then you turn right around and say you "appricate" and "understand" it.

If you tried to actually comprehend people's posts, you would realize that I have previously stated that I don't agree with Sirius's censorship of ANY adult-oriented channels, music or otherwise. However, I'm not going to cancel over partial censorship of four stations.

And you need to quit putting words in people's mouths. I never stated that you "shouldn't" or "couldn't" rant about Sirius's censorship here. Rant on, friend. I could care less. I simply expressed my opinion that ranting here is preaching to the choir and won't accomplish squat.

That's my opinion and I'll stand by it. You're the one who seems to have a problem with me expressing my opinions, rather than vice versa.

Try to settle down and think things through. The key word is "think".
I am calm and I am THINKING!! What I say makes perfect sense, you just don't understand or can't understand. Not your fault maybe. Well, I guess we just can't understand each other. I don't see not minding censorship on hits one and hating it on Faction as being inconsistant. I have stated many times that as long as they don't mess with faction (a channel that almost devots most of it's playlist as music not sutable for young listeners), I don't mind. So no sir, I am not being inconsistant. I don't mind Hits one being censored, I do mind Faction. I appriciate it on HIts one and Pulse ONLY!!!!!!!!!! I don't and will bitch if it goes to FACTION!!!!!!!!! Thats why I said they should leave it the hell alone (in fact my letter has already been written ready to send tomorrow.)

Get it?

A quite telling people to stop fussing about it on here. That is what is getting under my skin!!
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