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Old 08-17-2005, 06:37 PM   #166
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Dear Renaissance Man

If you are tired of reading people complaining on the public boards about the censorship of a product they are paying for, then stop reading this thread. There are 100s of other threads on this board for you to read. We are going to bitch in this one. Some of us have contacted Sirius about this issue and we still want to openly bitch about the subject.

So instead of bitching to us about beating a dead horse you can stop reading what we have to say.

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Old 08-17-2005, 06:45 PM   #167
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Fighting the problem from within is certainly a valuable tactic. In the case of Sirius, I have been complaining to management for about 14 months now. Of course only recently have those complaints been about censorship, but as far as my other two complaints go, I have seen no effect.

If, in 14 months, I had ever seen any result from complaining to Sirius, then I might be more inclined to continue (and I still haven't abandoned the approach). However, as with so many corporations, often the only meaningful tactic available to customers is voting with their dollars. In my case, I've cancelled one subscription, have a countdown on my other two, and have subscribed to XM -- and I've told Sirius why.

The purpose of this board, as I understand it, is to discuss Sirius Satellite Radio. That's a big topic. On the issue of censorship, there is a degree of "preaching to the choir" here, to be sure. However it has been seen that Sirius staffers do read this board, plus new members are registering, reading and posting. If complaining to Sirius is truly a valid tactic, then discussing those complaints on this board is clearly valuable for finding and encouraging others to complain as well.

I encourage anyone to feel free to preach, rant, or otherwise spout off here, within the forum guidelines. If you don't care about the discussion of censorship, there are lots of other threads to follow -- unless of course this is the only discussion stream that fits your genre.
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Dear Renaissance Man

If you are tired of reading people complaining on the public boards about the censorship of a product they are paying for, then stop reading this thread. There are 100s of other threads on this board for you to read. We are going to bitch in this one. Some of us have contacted Sirius about this issue and we still want to openly bitch about the subject.

So instead of bitching to us about beating a dead horse you can stop reading what we have to say.

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Well said, even his responses to me didn't make any sense. I read what he quoted I said, then he says I am saying something that is totally oppisite!! Man I thought I was getting good dealing with the lower IQ of people, but I guess I have more work to do!!
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Old 08-17-2005, 07:06 PM   #169
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I am calm and I am THINKING!! What I say makes perfect sense, you just don't understand or can't understand. Not your fault maybe. Well, I guess we just can't understand each other. I don't see not minding censorship on hits one and hating it on Faction as being inconsistant. I have stated many times that as long as they don't mess with faction (a channel that almost devots most of it's playlist as music not sutable for young listeners), I don't mind. So no sir, I am not being inconsistant. I don't mind Hits one being censored, I do mind Faction. I appriciate it on HIts one and Pulse ONLY!!!!!!!!!! I don't and will bitch if it goes to FACTION!!!!!!!!! Thats why I said they should leave it the hell alone (in fact my letter has already been written ready to send tomorrow.)

Get it?

A quite telling people to stop fussing about it on here. That is what is getting under my skin!!
Yeah, I can tell you're real calm--especially with those NINE exclamation marks after some of your sentences and ranting statements like "That is what is getting under my skin!!"

And you prove yourself a hypocrite. Hits One and Pulse have subscribers that consider those their favorite channels. You support censoring THEIR favorite channels, but you're quite the rabid dog when it comes to YOUR favorite channel being censored.

You also prove that you're still not thinking. I've stated at least three or four times that you have every right to fuss all you want about it on here. I have never told you or anybody else to stop fussing about it here. I simply stated my opinion that fussing about it here will do no good, and I'm entitled to my opinion. So please try to stop lying about me.

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Old 08-17-2005, 07:18 PM   #170
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Dear Renaissance Man

If you are tired of reading people complaining on the public boards about the censorship of a product they are paying for, then stop reading this thread. There are 100s of other threads on this board for you to read. We are going to bitch in this one. Some of us have contacted Sirius about this issue and we still want to openly bitch about the subject.

So instead of bitching to us about beating a dead horse you can stop reading what we have to say.

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You have things ass backwards. You're the ones bitching about what I have to say.

I'm not tired of your bitching. In fact, I'm having a grand time yanking chains and listening to the puppies yap at me. So please bitch on.

And don't forget to give that dead horse another whack!

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Old 08-17-2005, 07:19 PM   #171
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Please keep the discourse positive. This is a pressing issue, and end fighting does not help the cause.

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Old 08-17-2005, 07:37 PM   #172
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as i said previously, i don't think sirius pays much attention to its listeners.

they know that they have a somewhat captive audience, because they have hardware invested. and i suspect that they are apt to make tons more money with their deal with sprint, than they are gonna lose because some people stop their subscriptions.

it would be a lot different if people could simply stop their monthly payments, and have no upfront hardware costs. and if this was the case, i believe that sbs would serve a very useful purpose of letting sirius know.

but at this point, i don't see any of your complaints as doing anything at all. i know, that as a matter of principle, i would leave as soon as i found something better, irregardless of my loss - which is exactly what i did when i converted over to my ipod.

i think that what you guys probably don't appreciate is that some of these channels that you have mentioned may be a big deal to a select few. and these select few may also be the most hardcore and first to buy sirius.

but every sub is worth the same, and there is a huge untapped audience of people who are still possible subscribers. and when you look at the overall scope of things, the edited stations don't amount to too much more than a hill of beans.

i would be willing to bet you dollars to donuts that this is how sirius sees you guys. you were helpful keeping them afloat at first, but they are gonna do what makes them the most money, irregardless of customer complaints.

companies do not have loyalty to their customers. their only loyalty lies towards the bottom line. i realized that they were not gonna go deep with the hits, because the way they sold subscriptions. they wanted everyone to hear the most well-known hits, so as to garner subs fast - customers being unaware that they would hear them over and over again, UNTIL THEY WERE HOOKED WITH BUYING THEIR OWN HARDWARE.
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Old 08-17-2005, 07:54 PM   #173
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Please keep the discourse positive. This is a pressing issue, and end fighting does not help the cause.
I agree in-fighting does not help the cause. But it is best to fight a problem from the inside. If enough subscribers band together and write Sirius in protest, they will think twice about censorship and maybe even abandon it all together. But they could honestly care less if a few people here rant about it and cancel their service.

Since this is your site, I will make an honest effort at keeping the discourse as positive as possible.
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Old 08-17-2005, 08:24 PM   #174
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I've still yet to hear anything be censored on Faction. I cant believe they would pick Faction of all channels to be edited. I dont listen to First Wave but to those that do, have you been hearing edited songs? As far as Alt Nation the only song that gets mentioned over and over is "Only" by NIN. Any other edited songs being played?

Here is one thing I really dont understand...will Sprint customers only have access to these four clean channels? Cant they just as easily move to an uncensored channel? I dont see why Sprint would care about having a few clean ones if others are not.....unless they wont get all the music channels.

Im still of the belief that if they want to make a few new edited channels just for new partners like Sprint to offer then thats fine....but dont suddenly alter channels that were intended to be uncensored from the start.
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Old 08-17-2005, 08:29 PM   #175
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I am calm and I am THINKING!! What I say makes perfect sense, you just don't understand or can't understand. Not your fault maybe. Well, I guess we just can't understand each other. I don't see not minding censorship on hits one and hating it on Faction as being inconsistant. I have stated many times that as long as they don't mess with faction (a channel that almost devots most of it's playlist as music not sutable for young listeners), I don't mind. So no sir, I am not being inconsistant. I don't mind Hits one being censored, I do mind Faction. I appriciate it on HIts one and Pulse ONLY!!!!!!!!!! I don't and will bitch if it goes to FACTION!!!!!!!!! Thats why I said they should leave it the hell alone (in fact my letter has already been written ready to send tomorrow.)

Get it?

A quite telling people to stop fussing about it on here. That is what is getting under my skin!!
Yeah, I can tell you're real calm--especially with those NINE exclamation marks after some of your sentences and ranting statements like "That is what is getting under my skin!!"

And you prove yourself a hypocrite. Hits One and Pulse have subscribers that consider those their favorite channels. You support censoring THEIR favorite channels, but you're quite the rabid dog when it comes to YOUR favorite channel being censored.

You also prove that you're still not thinking. I've stated at least three or four times that you have every right to fuss all you want about it on here. I have never told you or anybody else to stop fussing about it here. I simply stated my opinion that fussing about it here will do no good, and I'm entitled to my opinion. So please try to stop lying about me.

Thank you and have a good life.
All I am going to say, then I am done with you because there is no helping you. I am not being a hypocrite. I would explain, but comprehension is a little greater then you so I will leave it at that.
Maybe you just understand better in voice then on screen. Who knows!!


Sorry mods, I am done. Just had to get it clear that I am not being hypocritical, if it seems that way, then what I am typing is being read all wrong!!
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Old 08-17-2005, 08:34 PM   #176
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All I am going to say, then I am done with you because there is no helping you. I am not being a hypocrite. I would explain, but comprehension is a little greater then you so I will leave it at that. If you’re young, you will grow out of it!! If you’re older, then ah well, can't all be able to comprehend things!!

Sorry mods, I am done. Just had to get it clear that I am not being hypocritical, if it seems that way, then what I am typing is being read all wrong!!
You've repeatedly misrepresented my position, made ad hominem attacks on my intelligence, and proven your own hypocrisy and inability to comprehend.

Run along, lad.
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I am calm and I am THINKING!! What I say makes perfect sense, you just don't understand or can't understand. Not your fault maybe. Well, I guess we just can't understand each other. I don't see not minding censorship on hits one and hating it on Faction as being inconsistant. I have stated many times that as long as they don't mess with faction (a channel that almost devots most of it's playlist as music not sutable for young listeners), I don't mind. So no sir, I am not being inconsistant. I don't mind Hits one being censored, I do mind Faction. I appriciate it on HIts one and Pulse ONLY!!!!!!!!!! I don't and will bitch if it goes to FACTION!!!!!!!!! Thats why I said they should leave it the hell alone (in fact my letter has already been written ready to send tomorrow.)

Get it?

A quite telling people to stop fussing about it on here. That is what is getting under my skin!!
Yeah, I can tell you're real calm--especially with those NINE exclamation marks after some of your sentences and ranting statements like "That is what is getting under my skin!!"

And you prove yourself a hypocrite. Hits One and Pulse have subscribers that consider those their favorite channels. You support censoring THEIR favorite channels, but you're quite the rabid dog when it comes to YOUR favorite channel being censored.

You also prove that you're still not thinking. I've stated at least three or four times that you have every right to fuss all you want about it on here. I have never told you or anybody else to stop fussing about it here. I simply stated my opinion that fussing about it here will do no good, and I'm entitled to my opinion. So please try to stop lying about me.

Thank you and have a good life.
All I am going to say, then I am done with you because there is no helping you. I am not being a hypocrite. I would explain, but comprehension is a little greater then you so I will leave it at that.
If you’re young, you will grow out of it!! If you’re older, then ah well, can't all be able to comprehend things!!


Sorry mods, I am done. Just had to get it clear that I am not being hypocritical, if it seems that way, then what I am typing is being read all wrong!!
You've repeatedly misrepresented my position, made ad hominem attacks on my intelligence, and proven your own hypocrisy and inability to comprehend.

Run along, lad.

Sorry for attacking you. I have not done what you said, you are totally wrong in what you type and think I am saying (trust me I know). So run along yourself Son!
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Old 08-17-2005, 08:38 PM   #178
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Sorry for attacking you. I have not done what you said, you are totally wrong in what you type and think I am saying (trust me I know). So run along yourself Son!
I agree you're sorry. Your intellectual dishonesty is pathetic.
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Old 08-17-2005, 08:40 PM   #179
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Sorry for attacking you. I have not done what you said, you are totally wrong in what you type and think I am saying (trust me I know). So run along yourself Son!
I agree you're sorry. Your intellectual dishonesty is pathetic.
Hey, I am trying to put this to rest for the mods. Just run along. You have no clue. It's ok, I didn't mean to insult you, but you are not going to win this battle I assure you. So for both our sakes and the mods, just move along!!
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Old 08-17-2005, 08:42 PM   #180
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Sorry for attacking you. I have not done what you said, you are totally wrong in what you type and think I am saying (trust me I know). So run along yourself Son!
I agree you're sorry. Your intellectual dishonesty is pathetic.
Hey, I am trying to put this to rest for the mods. Just run along. You have no clue. It's ok, I didn't mean to insult you, but you are not going to win this battle I assure you. So for both our sakes and the mods, just move along!!
No. I'm having way too much fun yanking your emotionally unstable chain.
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