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Old 08-21-2005, 10:03 AM   #226
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My kids are both pre-schoolers and I do not want to be stuck listening to kids channles all the time.
Certain channels need to remain family friendly, including his 1.

I expect as my kids get older, they will be exposed to more things. I have already spoken to the 3 year old about "grown-up" words and so on but that doesn't mean she needs to hear it constantly on the radio.

When the kids aren't in the car, I listen to backspin and other channels.

I don't need a ratings system for every song. But, maybe some kind of marker by the channel name and an option to block channels would be nice.

I don't want commercials and that is why we have satellite radio (although it came to our attention via a christmas gift).

Do not underestimate the market when it comes to people driving their kids around.
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Old 08-21-2005, 10:30 AM   #227
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i read thru the pnp3 locking mechanism.

i would say that works very well.

it allows the parent to lock any channel, such that if someone wants to listen to it, they must key the channel directly, and then enter a 4-digit password - a very small inconvenience for the parent when they want to listen to it themselves, and yet an excellent way to keep their children from listening to it.
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Old 08-21-2005, 11:09 AM   #228
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Ahh, I do have the pnp3 but didn't realize that as our kids are nowhere near the point of watching or listening to anything independently. But that is good to know.

As far as what kids say or do at school. Kids, by nature, are going to push boundaries and show-off for each other. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be exposed to standards at home.
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Old 08-21-2005, 11:35 AM   #229
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Alot of people will get a shock if they walk the halls of a middle school...
Hell, in kindergarten I walked around singing the following:

I'm Popeye the Sailor Man
I live in a frying pan
I turned on the gas
And burned my ass
I'm Popeye the Sailor Man


...and then a teacher heard me.

Of course, that's what happens when you have older brothers.
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Old 08-21-2005, 11:59 AM   #230
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well if that is the extent of the middle school kids, we can all thank our lucky stars.

seriously, do parents in middle school have to be concerned with sex ? with drugs/alcohol ?

i don't really know since i am not in that situation. and with the way things are today, i can't say that i am shocked if this is the case.
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Old 08-21-2005, 06:34 PM   #231
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I am guessing that you want Sirius to fail since a good portion of people have kids. Some people want commercial free music that is why I signed up in 2002. I also appreciate that the music is not censored on most of the channels. But when you have children in the car, you want to know what to expect. No one is saying that all the channels need to be censored; most people don't want that at all.

I do not think that it is too much to ask Sirius to mark which channels aren't censored, and what channels we may hear the DJ drop the F-Bomb.

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My kids are both pre-schoolers and I do not want to be stuck listening to kids channles all the time.
Certain channels need to remain family friendly, including his 1.

I expect as my kids get older, they will be exposed to more things. I have already spoken to the 3 year old about "grown-up" words and so on but that doesn't mean she needs to hear it constantly on the radio.

When the kids aren't in the car, I listen to backspin and other channels.

I don't need a ratings system for every song. But, maybe some kind of marker by the channel name and an option to block channels would be nice.

I don't want commercials and that is why we have satellite radio (although it came to our attention via a christmas gift).

Do not underestimate the market when it comes to people driving their kids around.

I respect both of your opinions, but this "what about the children" bullshit just doesn't cut it with me. Everything in this country is dictated to "protect" the children and it sickens me. It's bad enough that the majority of movies in theaters (e.g. horror movies) are being slashed to PG-13 just so they sell more tickets to the under 17 crowd and fill those theaters.

And then there's television ratings....everything has to be sanitized for the kids. Oh my God a BREAST was exposed during halftime!!! My kid will be scarred for life! There's just too much sex and violence on television, so instead of changing the channel I'm going to bitch and moan to the FCC.

And God forbid adults should be able to have their own video games!!

Just because you have children does not mean I should have to suffer through censored music/entertainment. Your children are your responsibility and nobody else's. Parents today expect everything in this world to be kid-friendly, and when it's not they complain until they get their way. Just because you're driving in your mini-van or SUV with the screaming kids and hear something you deam inappropriate does not mean they should autmatically cater to your demands. Satellite radio was NEVER intended for children and family entertainment.

Everything in this country is catered towards children...can we please just have our satellite radio uncensored? Is that asking too bloody much? Could you give us that much?? Pop in a Barney CD and be done with it already.

I think it's in the best interest of everybody that if you have kids and are really uptight...it's best for all of us that you don't get satellite radio.
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Old 08-21-2005, 07:39 PM   #232
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Just because you have children does not mean I should have to suffer through censored music/entertainment. Your children are your responsibility and nobody else's. Parents today expect everything in this world to be kid-friendly, and when it's not they complain until they get their way. Just because you're driving in your mini-van or SUV with the screaming kids and hear something you deam inappropriate does not mean they should autmatically cater to your demands. Satellite radio was NEVER intended for children and family entertainment.
You are being extremely judgemental without knowing myself or the other parents out there. Yes, some folks are way extreme and take things too far.

I also thought the FCC went too far, regarding the Janet Jackson Breast issue. Who cared, really?

I am one who will simply change the channel if I do not like something or if my kids are around and something is objectionable.

I have no problems with adults having adult themed games, shows, music, etc. I think parents have to be primarily responsible for what their kids are watching, playing, listening to, etc.

However, ratings can be helpful in that respect. When I need to in the future, I plan to take advantage of whatever technology is available to set up the allowable parameters in my home and car.

I don't think it is asking too much to maintain kids channels as well as one or two channels with edited music for those people with families and sat radio. I am certainly not uptight and for the record, I hate Barney and believe he is quite evil. I am more inclined to change the channel if Barney is on than if Janet Jackson is singing.

*edited to add that just as an example, my girls are 3 and almost 2 and, currently one of their favorite movies is "The School of Rock" with Jack Black. They love the music and watching the kids sing. Some curse words and other stuff but they haven't started cursing like sailors and love it. If I was in the extreme, no ay would they be watching it.


Gymee, as with everything, there are kids in elementary school and middle school who do experiment with substances and with sexual activity. I would say though, that this the minority of children but it still is a concern. Again, it comes down to supervision, parental involvement, and whether the kids have other activities to keep them busy (sports, clubs, etc).
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Old 08-21-2005, 08:38 PM   #233
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hi sg,

geez, even elementary school ? thanks for the info. well at least we are talking the small minority.

i have to laugh at the previous poster's comment about satellite radio never being intended for children and family entertainment. people seem to think that sr was made just for their wishes.

sr was made for just one thing - to make money. if censorship makes them money, then you will have censorship, etc. get used to it - that is how the real world works.

i have my ipod, so i don't have to worry about anyone else making decisions on what i want to listen to.
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Old 08-21-2005, 09:11 PM   #234
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I respect both of your opinions, but this "what about the children" bullshit just doesn't cut it with me. Everything in this country is dictated to "protect" the children and it sickens me. It's bad enough that the majority of movies in theaters (e.g. horror movies) are being slashed to PG-13 just so they sell more tickets to the under 17 crowd and fill those theaters.
I am going to guess that you don’t have kids. I am also going to guess that you are under 25 years old. Let me know if I am wrong.

It may sound trite to you, but the children are the future. There are some things that you don’t want to expose your 4 year old to. You made the point when you said that the studios are trying to expand the audience to include teens, perhaps Sirius wants Families and Teens too.

I don’t want my music censored, but it would be nice if Sirius would put ratings on the channels so that parents could choose what channels they want to listen to with the kids in the car. I would never listen to Shade 45, or Outlaw Country with my kids, nephew or my mother in the car. How exactly does it hurt you Chad, if Sirius marks the channels that might have content that isn’t for kids? Is it too much to ask that the DJ’s on Movin EZ, Sirius Hits, not curse? I understand that they might on channels 19-29, the hip hop channels etc, but do they need to curse on Broadways Best??

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And then there's television ratings....everything has to be sanitized for the kids. Oh my God a BREAST was exposed during halftime!!! My kid will be scarred for life! There's just too much sex and violence on television, so instead of changing the channel I'm going to bitch and moan to the FCC.
I don’t know what TV you watch, but much more is shown today than ever before. Have you ever watched TV with a young child? My nephew when he was 5 wouldn’t watch a Lassie movie because a man was yelling and hitting the dog. Children need time to develop. Parents just want a heads up so that we can make good choices.


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And God forbid adults should be able to have their own video games!!
I am all for adult games, just mark them so that parents know what they can get for their child.

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Just because you have children does not mean I should have to suffer through censored music/entertainment. Your children are your responsibility and nobody else's. Parents today expect everything in this world to be kid-friendly, and when it's not they complain until they get their way. Just because you're driving in your mini-van or SUV with the screaming kids and hear something you deam inappropriate does not mean they should autmatically cater to your demands. Satellite radio was NEVER intended for children and family entertainment.
I am sorry that you feel that 100% of the world and the media have to be targeted at you. I am not asking you to raise my child. It is not too much to ask that games, TV, Music and Movies be rated so that we can make the choices for our children. No one is saying you can’t have what you want, but we need to have a little of what we want too.

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Everything in this country is catered towards children...can we please just have our satellite radio uncensored? Is that asking too bloody much? Could you give us that much?? Pop in a Barney CD and be done with it already.
Everything? Really, you believe that? I want Un-Censored Radio too, just not 120 channels of it that I can’t have some choices when I have kids with me. They don’t want to listen to Barney all the time and neither do I.

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I think it's in the best interest of everybody that if you have kids and are really uptight...it's best for all of us that you don't get satellite radio.
Wow that is nice of you to say, perhaps I could say if you want 100% uncensored then buy the CD’s.

Why does Starlite have to be Uncensored? How about New Country? Can you not enjoy those channels if the DJ doesn’t drop the F-Bomb?

Can’t you see that marking the channels is a great compromise?
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To the parents that are actually concerned and involved with their kids' upbringing: Thank you for being in the minority.

To the parents who feel it's my job/the teacher's job/the government's job/society's job to make the world sanitized for your kids: Go away. It'd perfectly normal and healthy for you to think your kids are smart or cute (even when they aren't) just as it's perfectly normal for me not to care one whit about your genes getting perpetuated.

To both: The world is not sanitized, and thank god for that. Someone always has another version of how the world should be and we can't possible cater to all of them, including your version of it. Sorry; it's just not possible.

Ratings: good
Censoring channels that are not really appropriate for kids even when censored: bad

I'm not sure there's a good argument against that summary. Should Playboy be censored in case a kid puts their hands on it? Or should we leave Playboy alone and be sure Disney is kid safe? Is alt-rock kjid friendly to begin with? Fer heaven's sake, you'll have to put duct tape over every SJ's mouth first (which is not a bad idea for Alt Nation!) before worrying about a half-understood 4-letter word.

Besides, I thought it was the worst of ultra right-wing political correctness to complain about a pasty-covered nipple -- while no one mentioned that the context was a song that glorified rape and was preceeded and followed by more gratuitous violence.
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To the parents that are actually concerned and involved with their kids' upbringing: Thank you for being in the minority.
that has to be about the stupidest thing i have ever read on sbs or any other forum.
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Of course the world isn't sanitized. i never said or thought that it should be. I simply don't see the problem with having a hits station like hits 1 or even the pulse remain a kid friendly zone.

If I am ever alone in the car (or at home) in the evenings (never gonna happen), then I would love to listen to Derrick and Romaine on Outq. Would even love it if it were re-broadcasted later in the evening but I understand that isn't gonna happen. I would never expect or suggect that the programming be censored or altered to suit my needs.

while it is primarily a parent's job to teach and parent their own kids. There is certainly a societal aspect to that as well. Kids, at some level, are everyone's responsibility. That doesn't mean that the world has to be altered to be kid friendly all of the time but it should be some of the time. As a foster parent and former adolescent therapist, I more than understand the idea of "it takes a village" but that digresses off of the original points.

I believe that TX and I are making the same or simialr points. Adult themed content is fine, just rate it somehow so parents are aware and can either skip that channel or program their radios to lock out those rated items (similar to what my cable box does). Parents do want choices, including commercial free music that is not limited to a kids channel. Hits 1 and others are fine.

As tx said, there really is no need to curse on the broadway channel or easy listening channels. No one has said anything about censoring alt rock maxim, etc. Simply leave us family friendly optons.
edit: I also think that the Sprint deal is stupid, just to be clear. They should not be censoring channels such as alt nation (or whatever "adult" channels are being censored).
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As tx said, there really is no need to curse on the broadway channel or easy listening channels.
Do the DJs on those stations actually curse? I've never listened, but I can just imagine...."You just heard some shit by Beehtoven! Up next, we got some stuff from that mothafucka Mozart!"

Anyways, back on topic. I have no problem with ratings. And on stations where the music doesn't have curse words (Such as Broadway, EZ listening, ect), I say censor the DJs. But on stations where the music has cursing, don't censor anything!
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i can't imagine that, either. i only listened to the oldie stations. and while i found the djs to be incessantly irritating, never did they use foul language.

if they had, i think sirius would have heard a ton of complaints. but then sirius isn't stupid enough to think that oldie listeners want to hear foul language.

i would be mad as well, if a deal with sprint was interfering with one of my stations that i had listened to.

but as i said before, sirius will do whatever to make its bottom line better, customer complaints or no customer complaints. the only complaint that makes any difference whatsoever is that of taking your money elsewhere.

and that only works if enough people do so, such that whatever you are fighting about, makes them less money than your group does.
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